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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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SMAASH! Puppy

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New Pokémon Snap and Bayo 3 also received delays, but were nowhere to be seen.
"We regret to inform you that these games that don't even have a ballpark on their respective release dates, or any information at all really, have been delayed."

lol

Though I suppose news like that is better than no news at all.

Yes, on Friday.
Ah yes, Pikmin 3. The spoopiest Halloween game.
 

KillerCage

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Seriously that No More Heroes 3 trailer is the best thing I've ever seen. Gameplay looks cool.

Looks like NMH1+2 are only digital then. I'll finally be able to play those 2 games lol

Edit: I don't get why Rune Factory 5 didn't appeared in the western direct, I mean, it was featured 1 or 2 directs ago here if I'm not mistaken
Maybe they wanted to focus on the new Story of Seasons game?
 

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Yeah. Pikmin is screwed, but it will probably tie some people over until Age of Calamity, so it will probably sell 2 Million Copies. Probably isn't enough for Nintendo though which SUCKS!, but whatever.
 
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I could never get into Pikmin 3 on the Wii U. The time mechanics made for a stressful experience. Could be part of the reason why Pikmin has never really taken off yet.
 

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Pikmin will always be around as long as Miyamoto is around, anyways. Similar thing with Star Fox.
Every time I think of the way the Star Fox franchise has been treated, it makes my blood boil. I absolutely LOVED Star Fox 64 as a kid and I feel that there's still a lot of awesome things they could do with the franchise, but just because Star Fox Zero sucked due to their own horrifying lack of imagination, they probably think the franchise is ready to go the way of F-Zero. C'mon, people, LEARN from your screw-ups. Stop pushing your craptastic motion control gimmicks and focus on the gameplay. Nobody wants to fight their own controls just to play a game.
 

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THAT also could be said to Ninja Gaiden, I mean why do they want to pick a game that is currently on hiatus than pushing Age of Calamity with a Dynasty Warriors character? And for Banjo, the fans of that character is louder than Hayabusa and Rare used to work together with Nintendo, making it easy for them to include Banjo first than Steve.
But they still chose banjo when he is on hiatus with fan demand aside.

I say Imo ryu is by far the likeliest koei tecmo rep To be first
 

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Every time I think of the way the Star Fox franchise has been treated, it makes my blood boil. I absolutely LOVED Star Fox 64 as a kid and I feel that there's still a lot of awesome things they could do with the franchise, but just because Star Fox Zero sucked due to their own horrifying lack of imagination, they probably think the franchise is ready to go the way of F-Zero. C'mon, people, LEARN from your screw-ups. Stop pushing your craptastic motion control gimmicks and focus on the gameplay. Nobody wants to fight their own controls just to play a game.
Like I just said...Miyamoto won't let it die lol


Yeah, I always wanted Fox McCloud to be a bit more popular than he is. [Crowd: “awww…”] But I think one more would be Pikmin. So I think these two, I’ll need to put some more energy into.
Star Fox still gets notable stuff like a big crossover with Ubisoft's Starlink, and even has an entire segment dedicated to it in Nintendo's Amazon store.

It's certainly more than whatever F-Zero and Kid Icarus get.
 

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That's pretty much in line with what Nintendo does to whatever series that isn't already major.

"It didn't sell like we expected" - yeah, no ****, Sherlock.
To be slightly fair, it is something that most major companies (Sony and Microsoft as well, wouldn't be surprised if mobile giants are included in this too) struggle with that. The major titles tend to take up so much space that smaller IPs regularily gets drowned out...

Still, this smells like "Marketing 101 failure" to me, and I haven't even taken a single class of marketing. Not only is Pikmin getting competition from Mario and Zelda right as its Switch port is released, the focus amongst hardcore fans will probably lean towards NMH and Control.

This wasn't just a Partner Showcase, it was a rather packed Partner Showcase too. With implications for the future as Zhuge noted in his twitter thread about the Partner Showcase:


Like I just said...Miyamoto won't let it die lol
Still though: for Miyamoto, it's always play first. He starts with a mechanic, then pairs an IP to it. Any game that doesn't bring something new is practically inconcievable to him:

I’d like to say: Thank you very much and try to wait by playing Nintendo Land’s F-Zero mini-game.

I am also very curious and I’d like to ask those people: Why F-Zero? What do you want that we haven’t done before?
It lead to this quote a year later:

"I certainly understand that people want a new F-Zero game," said Miyamoto. "I think where I struggle is that I don't really have a good idea for what's new that we could bring to F-Zero that would really turn it into a great game again. Certainly I can see how people looking at Mario Kart 8 could see, through the anti-gravity, a connection to F-Zero. But I don't know, at this point, what direction we could go in with a new F-Zero."

When asked if he felt some franchises would not do well in the current generation, Miyamoto responded that Nintendo is focusing on internal development, and they currently don't have the staff to work on other series like F-Zero.

"It's tough," he said. "We come to the show and we bring a lot of great franchises and everyone says, 'Oh, well, where's this game that I want to play? Where's something new?' I only have so much capacity.[sic]
FTR, I don't mind Miyamoto trying out new ideas: in this case trying to use stereoscopic 3D (Star Fox 64 3D) and Gyro controls (Star Fox Zero). Whenever he makes the next Star Fox (or Pikmin) game, it's when he has a mechanic in mind he believes could bring something new to the table. Which does beg the question if the next Star Fox game will be AR / VR or try something different entirely.

However, not only did people have issues with the execution (especially Zero), but Star Fox's story's been stagnant ever since they pushed the reset button. Which IMHO is much more of an issue with Star Fox than Mario since the core on-rails / all range shooter has not changed as much as Mario's platformers. And most people (IIRC) didn't really use the stereoscopic 3D in Star Fox 3DS. That's another issue for Star Fox going forward - I don't think Miyamoto's willing to change genres (or perhaps not even story, that's never been a strong point for him) so they'll have to take care and avoid repeating the same mistake people argued Zero suffered from.

That's the ugliest "Coming in 2021" design I've seen.
And that's why it's the best. :4pacman:
 
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This game appeared in the japanese Direct. Another collaboration between Koei and Nintendo, it seems.
Makes the chances that we'll get the coolest ninja playable in Smash that tiny bit more likely! Can't believe some of y'all are dissing him. He'd be great, and he'd kinda count as a retro rep. We could use another one, we only really have :ultsimon: and kinda :ultpiranha: for Ultimate.
 

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Miyamoto and Nintendo's core mistake with Star Fox is reinvention rather than evolution. There is real potential for the series if its focused and diving into its mechanics without being ashamed of being a space shooter. Want to make a budget title that's purely focused with on rail levels and incentivizing repeat playthroughs via different ships, and different paths? Hey that can work. Want to build upon Starlink and have an official open world game with a big budget where you travel around the galaxy with your choice of Star Fox team taking missions? That can work too.

A lot of good outcomes for this series can happen if its novelty and identity is embraced and not re-invented just for the sake of it.
 

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Nice, meaty Partner Showcase, a very good final one of those for this year. Nice to know actual release dates for games, especially Bravely Default II. Sad to see a delay but luckily it isn't too big of a gap. NMH1 & 2 are also cool to see (finally), am eager to try those out.

Also, regarding Pikmin, while it is kinda in the middle of Mario and Zelda, it will do absolutely fine and I feel like it had its push already, people would have decided whether they get it or not by now. It'll likely get a release trailer on Friday and that's it, but just by the Switch-boost itself (and people always being thirsty for games on the Switch), it'll likely become the best-selling Pikmin game anyway.
 
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Miyamoto and Nintendo's core mistake with Star Fox is reinvention rather than evolution. There is real potential for the series if its focused and diving into its mechanics without being ashamed of being a space shooter. Want to make a budget title that's purely focused with on rail levels and incentivizing repeat playthroughs via different ships, and different paths? Hey that can work. Want to build upon Starlink and have an official open world game with a big budget where you travel around the galaxy with your choice of Star Fox team taking missions? That can work too.

A lot of good outcomes for this series can happen if its novelty and identity is embraced and not re-invented just for the sake of it.
Well said. In my opinion, if they took the open galaxy approach Starlink did but with more refined dogfighting and customization along with maybe short rail-shooting stints in between planet hopping, it would be pretty fun direction. I liked how Starlink's liberation of planets felt more like a military campaign rather than a galactic grand tour. Add in some classics like the Landmaster and some sweet land-based fighting and it would be fairly solid. I really don't feel like it would take that much insane innovation to make a good new SF game. Just add some more depth to the gameplay, weapons, customization and story. We don't need some new-fangled control gimmicks for it to be good.
 

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Anyway, they said this would be the last partner mini of 2020. Which makes me curious how they’ll handle announcements for the rest of the year if there’s any at all
I feel like we might get SOMETHING, given the time of year, but I can't think of what. TGA? A General Direct? No idea.

Also, I found out the UFO's name is Jobski. He should be in Smash for that alone.
 

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Anyway, they said this would be the last partner mini of 2020. Which makes me curious how they’ll handle announcements for the rest of the year if there’s any at all
More likely then nothing probably nothing.

Unless by some miracle we get a reveal tease of the next fighter at the VGA which I doubt anyways.
 

Firox

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Anyway, they said this would be the last partner mini of 2020. Which makes me curious how they’ll handle announcements for the rest of the year if there’s any at all
Anyone want to place any bets as to whether we get anymore announcements this year? My optimistic side thinks we'll get SOMETHING but given Nintendo's PR performance this year, I could see us going totally dry into January.
 

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The painful thing about being a Nintendo fan is that there's rules for the BIG AAA series and rules for the A-tier series you actually wanna see more of.

There'll always be a Mario and Zelda game coming, often with sometimes a whole decade of the same game but prettier going on, but Donkey Kong, Star Fox, F-Zero, Metroid, that sort of thing they all have to go through a bunch of arcane trials where it's not given that a "new BLANK game" is enough to make it sell.

I don't see why F-Zero has to have some big incredible gameplay innovation that will be at it's core while Mario Kart steals all of it's old ideas.
 
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