Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Blargg888]

Glad to see my boi Sol kicking the ass of a JoJo's character



That line. She has too many good quotes.

Yes I'll play Sky 3rd, no doubt about it. But I will wait a while for that to take a break, I played Sky FC and Sky SC relatively close so I don't want to feel saturated or anything. I'll wait a while and then start Sky 3rd with a lot of hype.

Understandable.

Sky 3rd may get some criticism for its stark differences from every other Trails game, but personally, it's one of my favorite games in the series.

 

[Perkilator]

Sakurai:
Steve: 1
Ken: 1
Banjo: 5
incineroar: 4
Isabelle: 3
O tto, I still have one point left, who should I use it on guys?

If I had to choose:

• 5: Sora
• 4: Crash
• 3: Dixie Kong
• 2: Captain Toad
• 1: Ayumi Tachibana

 

[JamesDNaux]

People will never look at Lara seriously because there's a stigma against western characters in the Smash community based on the game being Japanese.

Even with two western characters in the game, people will make excuses like "Banjo is an honorary Nintendo character" and "Minecraft is the best selling game of all time" as a reason why we'll never get another western character. Gotta hold onto those arbitrary fan rules while they last, ya know?

If Lara gets in, then its "well she's owned by a Japanese company now so of course she could get in"

When Crash gets in its "well he was super popular in Japan anyway so of course he could get in"

Realistically speaking, Lara would most likely be the next plausible Squeenix character, but the real question is "can Sakurai pry another one out of their stingy death grip?" and "would it even be worth it?" What are Nintendo/Sakurai looking for in a fighter and why is it Geno what companies are willing to deal?

 

[latsmash]

From my experience, Lara doesn't have a huge amount of support for her inclusion. Besides, Lara is that kind of character where the franchise name permeates the character's popularity. "Tomb Raider" getting into Smash would probably make headlines before Lara Croft, that is if Lara somehow gets in before other Square characters.

 

[Dr. Yatagarasu]

People will never look at Lara seriously because there's a stigma against western characters in the Smash community based on the game being Japanese.

I mean, it's a Japanese game, developed largely by Japanese developers, so honestly it's not hard to see why so many people think that a character at the very least has to have some kind of presence in Japan to really be considered. Whether or not that's actually true is completely up in the air, seeing as Banjo was relatively popular in Japan, and Minecraft is Minecraft. The only way that ""rule"" is blown apart is if say, somebody like Doomguy or Chief gets in. As for Lara, I genuinely have zero clue how she's viewed in Japan - but I have to imagine that she's at least known/remembered as a relatively popular PS1 era character.

 

[Idon]

From my experience, Lara doesn't have a huge amount of support for her inclusion. Besides, Lara is that kind of character where the franchise name permeates the character's popularity. "Tomb Raider" getting into Smash would probably make headlines before Lara Croft, that is if Lara somehow gets in before other Square characters.

Since it's M-rated, it might not even make the trailer splash art.

 

[Mamboo07]

Sakurai:
Steve: 1
Ken: 1
Banjo: 5
incineroar: 4
Isabelle: 3
O tto, I still have one point left, who should I use it on guys?

Here's mine.
5: Bandana Dee
4: Crash Bandicoot
3: Dixie Kong
2: Conker
1: Earthworm Jim

 

[JamesDNaux]

I mean, it's a Japanese game, developed largely by Japanese developers, so honestly it's not hard to see why so many people think that a character at the very least has to have some kind of presence in Japan to really be considered.

A Japanese game sold worldwide to an audience consisting of a lot more than Japanese people. Nintendo wants money and the vast majority of their audience would eat up characters that Japan might not care about. They've already tested the waters with Microsoft, who's to say it ends there?

 

[SharkLord]

I mostly don't talk about Lara much because I just don't know her very well. Some enlightenment would be nice.

 

[cashregister9]

5:Sora
4:Crash
2:Octolings, Elma
1:Viridi, Karate Joe

 

[cosmicB]

Sakurai:
Steve: 1
Ken: 1
Banjo: 5
incineroar: 4
Isabelle: 3
O tto, I still have one point left, who should I use it on guys?

As someone that values actually playing the game more than speculating and actively hoping for specific characters to get in, I'm gonna go with the entire bottom row minus Slippy (I know some of them are already in, but for the sake of this argument). That's a whopping 15 more characters added to the roster. 15 more match up combinations, 15 more ways to play, etc. Quality is better than quantity of course, but Sakurai hasn't let me down yet and I have faith he'd make each one unique and fun to play.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Well, it makes sense, given it's Minecraft. The game's more complex than it looks.

So are lots of games in Smash. They don't all try and emulate their games to the point of ridiculousness.

You don't see Cloud swapping out Materia or Joker fusing Personas.

Black armor, blue cape, white hair, broken mask, giant flaming sword...
He appeals to all my edgy design sensibilities.

Smash needs more edgelords.

Actually Though, If we only got One RPG Character this Pass, who do you think it would be?

Geno.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

What we really need is some kind of Tomb Raider collection on Switch. I feel like that could help Lara's popularity in the speculation scene immensely the way it has for some other characters who recently got Switch ports.

 

[Shroob]

I mostly don't talk about Lara much because I just don't know her very well. Some enlightenment would be nice.

I think you can sum up everything you need to know right here:

Spoiler

 

[Mamboo07]

I think you can sum up everything you need to know right here:

Spoiler

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I see Kermit.

 

[Shadowvegeta]

Sakurai:
Steve: 1
Ken: 1
Banjo: 5
incineroar: 4
Isabelle: 3
O tto, I still have one point left, who should I use it on guys?

Ayumi Tachibana: 1
Dig Dug: 1
Cuphead: 1
Shadow: 4
Shantae: 4
Crash: 4

 

[Calane]

Did you know that Falcom was the company that created the Action RPG? The genre apparently started with a little game called Dragon Slayer, which they were responsible for. I'd say that makes them a pretty important company in video game history.

You know who their most iconic character is?

Adol Christin from the Ys series.

Ys is one of the longest running action rpg franchises out there. The first game came out all the way back in 1987, and it's still going strong today.

Whether it'd be Adol, Estelle, or somebody else, I really do think this influential company should have a spot in a game that's supposed to be a "celebration of gaming". That doesn't mean it'll happen, but I'd love to see it.

Why did I write all of this out of nowhere? ...Uh... Just bored, I guess.

 

[latsmash]

Ys would be neat from the gameplay I've seen, but I feel like Smash has grown to the point where a character with all most no western presence is pretty unlikely for an inclusion.

 

[Dr. Yatagarasu]

A Japanese game sold worldwide to an audience consisting of a lot more than Japanese people. Nintendo wants money and the vast majority of their audience would eat up characters that Japan might not care about. They've already tested the waters with Microsoft, who's to say it ends there?

I'd love for more Western characters to come to Smash, but between Sakurai outright stating how much easier it is to work with people he can understand/not separated by oceans, to their own biases understandably making them more favorable to Japanese characters, I'm uncertain how many more will get into this pass. I think it's important to bring up that historically, Japanese games have done quite a bit better in the west than Western games have done in Japan. There are simply more Japanese characters that the average person might at least recognize in say, America than the reverse. I guess it's a bit of a situation where, say, Doomguy would absolutely sell gangbusters in America at least, but hype in Japan might as well evaporate in that case. Smash has tended to walk a bit of a middle ground in that regard - sure most of the characters originated in Japan, but a lot of the DLC we've been getting for the most part has been reasonably popular in both countries, even if there's a heavy lean towards one side or another if you look at each individual character.

I don't think that it's necessarily the fact that Western games have some sort of inherent uphill battle to face because they're Western more than the fact that (older) Japanese characters tend to be more well known in both areas than the reverse. And the western characters that have come to Smash have been well known on both sides - Banjo did really well in Japan when it came out, and Minecraft doesn't need much of an explanation.

(You know, in hindsight, I think this actually makes Master Chief if not the most likely character, definitely very much possible - Halo 3 did waaaaay better than you would expect an Xbox exclusive FPS to do in Japan.)

(Of course, this trend is starting to change in more recent years. Putting Minecraft aside, games like Fortnite are also very popular in Japan - as very much annoyed I would be with... Jonesy, for example, the only real argument you can make against him that's not some variation "cringe" or "he's not really talked about that much" or "zero leaks" is that he's too recent or something like that. You cannot convince me that an army of 10 yr olds will not come descending on Jonesy to default dance on their friends in Smash.)

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Did you know that Falcom was the company that created the Action RPG? The genre apparently started with a little game called Dragon Slayer, which they were responsible for. I'd say that makes them a pretty important company in video game history.

You know who their most iconic character is?

View attachment 288838 Adol Christin from the Ys series.

Ys is one of the longest running action rpg franchises out there. The first game came out all the way back in 1987, and it's still going strong today.

Whether it'd be Adol, Estelle, or somebody else, I really do think this influential company should have a spot in a game that's supposed to be a "celebration of gaming". That doesn't mean it'll happen, but I'd love to see it.

Why did I write all of this out of nowhere? ...Uh... Just bored, I guess.

This would be the biggest dark horse pick I've ever seen.

 

[cosmicB]

A Japanese game sold worldwide to an audience consisting of a lot more than Japanese people. Nintendo wants money and the vast majority of their audience would eat up characters that Japan might not care about. They've already tested the waters with Microsoft, who's to say it ends there?

Before Sword/Shield and New Horizons, Smash Ultimate was the best selling console game in Japan in over a decade. Nintendo absolutely values their domestic audience here, which is why the two western DLC characters picked have had a notable following in Japan.

I will flat out bet that there is not going to be a single character in the pass that doesn't have at least Banjo levels of Japanese appeal. Doomguy, Chief, a Mortal Kombat rep; I don't see any of those happening.

 

[DevaAshera]

DevaAshera
Sorry I didn't respond to you the other day! I had assumed you just posted the sad Asuka and moseyed along. Didn't even see your actual post.
Anyway, you know how Travis was owned by Marvelous? As well as Daemon X Machina? Well, assuming they're slowly putting all their cards on the table, we could either see the Harvest Moon Story of Seasons farmer or...

Spoiler: I'm staying hopeful, but I'm still being cautious.

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Also Hibari is best girl

As much as I would love some Senran Kagura content in Smash, I fear it'll never happen..though if it did, of the girls they tend to use as 'main characters', the most likely one is Asuka as the 'main-main' character and the most easy to tone down (well, tied with Homura, but Asuka seems more fitting for Smash) since Yumi's main usual outfit is rather..cleavage bearing lol

Hibari's great, but I gotta go with my precious snek, Hikage~

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I saw some people ****ting on Lloyd and Tales of Symphonia earlier. Even implying it was bad.

I just want to formally uninvite you all to my birthday party.

That is all.

 

[Calane]

Ys would be neat from the gameplay I've seen, but I feel like Smash has grown to the point where a character with all most no western presence is pretty unlikely for an inclusion.

As far as I know, the only main series Ys game to never be released in the west in any form was Ys V. The series might be considered "niche" by some, but it does have a western presence. In fact, I actually recall hearing that it's Falcom's most popular series in the west, but I don't remember where.

This would be the biggest dark horse pick I've ever seen.

Lol, maybe.

I know it's a longshot, but I try to hold out a little bit of hope anyway.

 

[DevaAshera]

I saw some people ****ting on Lloyd and Tales of Symphonia earlier. Even implying it was bad.

I just want to formally uninvite you all to my birthday party.

That is all.

Am I still invited to your birthday party if I only don't support completely Lloyd because I'd rather have Velvet Crowe from Tales of Berseria (..albeit censored, like in my edit)?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I saw some people ****ting on Lloyd and Tales of Symphonia earlier. Even implying it was bad.

I just want to formally uninvite you all to my birthday party.

That is all.

But of course. What would be the point of inviting a Tales hater to your birthday party when the entire theme would be focused on Tales and this would be the cake?

They be missing out big time.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

Sakurai:
Steve: 1
Ken: 1
Banjo: 5
incineroar: 4
Isabelle: 3
O tto, I still have one point left, who should I use it on guys?

Banjo, Geno, Isaac. That's not a hard choice at all.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Am I still invited to your birthday party if I only don't support completely Lloyd because I'd rather have Velvet Crowe from Tales of Berseria..albeit censored?
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My issue is not with those who prefer other characters.

I just don't like people who insult my boy.

Also, bring streamers.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Sakurai:
Steve: 1
Ken: 1
Banjo: 5
incineroar: 4
Isabelle: 3
O tto, I still have one point left, who should I use it on guys?

If this were up to me, I'd say...

Conker (2)
Ninten (2)
Spyro (3)
Tails (3)
Geno (5)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My issue is not with those who prefer other characters.

I just don't like people who insult my boy.

Also, bring streamers.

Damn, most Tales fans I know call Lloyd a dumbass, guess Lloyd fans aren't invited either

 

[DevaAshera]

My issue is not with those who prefer other characters.

I just don't like people who insult my boy.

Also, bring streamers.

Ah, well, I love Lloyd & Symphonia..I just love Velvet & Berseria more (one of my favorite games of all time along with NieR Automata, Persona 5 Royal, Majora's Mask, and Super Mario RPG)

Will do..though they may look like Velvet's bandages

 

[ZelDan]

But of course. What would be the point of inviting a Tales hater to your birthday party when the entire theme would be focused on Tales and this would be the cake?

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They be missing out big time.

I find it kind of weird that Lloyd, Luke, and Yuri on that cake but for Legendia they go for just a supporting character (or atleast I believe that's a Legendia supporting character)

 

[Shroob]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Ultimate the one that had Brawl Glide coding in the game still, or was that Smash 4?


In hindsight, it's kinda ironic now that Steve seemingly has it. Probably completely unintentional, but my guess is since it was carried over parasitically from other characters, they just repurposed its functionality for Steve.

 

[SharkLord]

Ys would be neat from the gameplay I've seen, but I feel like Smash has grown to the point where a character with all most no western presence is pretty unlikely for an inclusion.

I mean, Ys does sell better in the West than in Japan, so...

I think you can sum up everything you need to know right here:

Spoiler

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So basically:
Rule number one: Neutral special

 

[Arcanir]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Ultimate the one that had Brawl coding in the game still, or was that Smash 4?


In hindsight, it's kinda ironic now that Steve seemingly has it. Probably completely unintentional, but my guess is since it was carried over parasitically from other characters, they just repurposed its functionality for Steve.

Ultimate still does have some Brawl coding left. One example that comes to mind is Ridley having Gliding data, which would be useless on him if it wasn't inherited from Charizard.

 

[Shroob]

Ultimate still does have some Brawl coding left. One example that comes to mind is Ridley having Gliding data, which would be useless on him if it wasn't inherited from Charizard.

Yeah, I meant to type in Glide but I forgot lol. That's the thing that stood out more than anything about Steve to me in that he basically has what seems like a worse version of Brawl gliding.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Since it's M-rated, it might not even make the trailer splash art.

It could use the old logo. Same with Ninja Gaiden.

 

[BlondeLombax]

As much as I would love some Senran Kagura content in Smash, I fear it'll never happen..though if it did, of the girls they tend to use as 'main characters', the most likely one is Asuka as the 'main-main' character and the most easy to tone down (well, tied with Homura, but Asuka seems more fitting for Smash) since Yumi's main usual outfit is rather..cleavage bearing lol

Hibari's great, but I gotta go with my precious snek, Hikage~

Ultimate still does have some Brawl coding left. One example that comes to mind is Ridley having Gliding data, which would be useless on him if it wasn't inherited from Charizard.

Really? That's actually really cool to know! I'm huge sucker for trivia like that!

 

[Dr. Yatagarasu]

Yeah, I meant to type in Glide but I forgot lol. That's the thing that stood out more than anything about Steve to me in that he basically has what seems like a worse version of Brawl gliding.

Looks like Steve is going to be pretty OP
clearly, the correct solution is to nerf him by giving him Brawl tripping

 

[P.Kat]

Sakurai:
Steve: 1
Ken: 1
Banjo: 5
incineroar: 4
Isabelle: 3
Otto, I still have one point left, who should I use it on guys?

Easy.

Sora (5)
Shantae (4)
Impa (2)
Elma (2)
Gardevoir (2)