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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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GothicSlenderman

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Since we're talking about Steve's design I think I'll chip in. I love how they kept his design and low poly look the same. Also I'm not sure what people mean by "He doesn't fit the Smash style" When this is a game with cartoony plumbers, realistic soldiers, electric mice, blue hedgehogs, squidkids, pink puff balls and a 2D flat silhouette. Sure some of them had altered designs but most of those characters haven't seen the light of day in years and most likely need a touch up to properly implement them.

To me, there is no "Smash style" and the best appeal of Smash comes from weird and diverse characters standing along side each other. Steve is exactly what I've been wanting from Smash for a while. I'd rather have him than "Obligatory Anime-esque Sword Fighter #30" I want fighters that stick out with their appearance alone. Fighters that look "Weird" and add more colors to this already vast rainbow.

That's why I also want more western characters and fighters from new franchises. So we could make Smash look even bigger. Characters like Crash Bandicoot, Rayman, Earthworm Jim, Pyramid Head, heck I'd even take a red 2D block just named "Atari 2600" or the Wii Strap Safety Guy just to get more visual variety.
 
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PeridotGX said:
I'm a little dissapointed I never got around to making a Steve moveset. I always had bigger fish to fry, and now he's in and a fan moveset would be pointless.
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Nothing is pointless, don't let your dreams be memes. Even Sakurai can screw up a moveset, who knows if you have better ideas.
 
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TwiceEXE

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Ignoring the subjective aesthetic quality of Steve, we should all be able to agree he is basically the only character not be "Smashified". That is, not artistically interpreted in the style of Smash Ult. He stands out from the rest of the cast entirely. Now is that good or bad? That's a personal take. But it has certainly broken new ground in Smash.

I personally don't care for it. If you are going to do something like that either do it for everyone or don't do it at all.
 
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JamesDNaux said:
Nothing is pointless, don't let your dreams be memes. Even Sakurai can screw up a moveset, who knows if you have better ideas.
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I don't think so - Steve has a pretty great moveset from the looks of it, and has pretty much everything I planned for my moveset (save Ender Pearls).
 
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TwiceEXE said:
Steve fans got Steve. Congrats to them. So can I get what I want tomorrow, please?

I want to see some straight up executions with Mii Costumes. I don't care which character(s) it is just dunk on some nerds tomorrow, Sakurai.
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So this is where you were hiding Junko Enoshima...
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You forgot
-Goku discussion
-NSFW discussion
-Rex vs Elma debates
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Don't forget Dante vs Phoenix vs Monster Hunter vs Amaterasu... Yeah I know debate with the last character don't normally happen I was just going with the Capcom flow.
 
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ShinyLegendary said:
No, I can tell the difference.

Let me explain.

Even if they used Steve's promotional art, there would still be complaints about how it doesn't fit in Smash, because it is still blocky and still shares some similar aspects to Steve, even if it is more smooth and a bit more fluid.

I just think Steve in Smash is implemented very nicely, because I like how it literally looks like someone is playing Minecraft when they are playing Steve.
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Of course, but that's the nature of Steve. That's the character. Complaints are inevitable. There were complaints about how Snake didn't fit all the way up until he was cut, then everyone wanted him back. At this point, there will be complaints about every character.

But, if the character did have an appearance more in line with every other character, I suspect there'd be overall fewer complaints. And, if I can make a presumption here - I don't think the people who are saying they prefer it this way would be that bothered by a character simply fitting the norm... because that's the preconception everyone holds about every inclusion, and thus nothing would be amiss. No one would be the wiser.

Like, if Travis makes it in, the assumption right now is that he won't be cel-shaded. The assumption is, he'll fit the aesthetic. So if and when he meets those expectations... there's no dissonance.

And again, I don't think anyone is wrong in wanting what they want. Right and wrong aren't applicable here. If you're pleased, great. If you're not pleased, that's unfortunate. We don't have to agree which is preferable, but I'd just hope that both sides can see where the other is coming from.

Saying stuff like "there is only one way" or "the appearance is less important than x, y and z"... that ain't it. The latter is subjective and former just incorrect.
 
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I don't really understand the complaints about Steve clashing when we literally have 2D-pixelated items, 2D-pixelated assist trophies, 2D-pixelated stages, and 2D-pixelated stage hazards running around on a stage where everything else was remade in 3D. But we're just now having the game's visual cohesiveness sullied?
 
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PeridotGX said:
I'm a little dissapointed I never got around to making a Steve moveset. I always had bigger fish to fry, and now he's in and a fan moveset would be pointless.
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I don't think so - Steve has a pretty great moveset from the looks of it, and has pretty much everything I planned for my moveset (save Ender Pearls).
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I think you should share with us what you have. Sure it won't change what Sakurai implemented, but at least we can see what your ideas were, what you were thinking, and how you viewed the character, and ultimately see how passionate you were about the character and that is NEVER pointless.
 
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TheShiningAbsol said:
I don't really understand the complaints about Steve clashing when we literally have 2D-pixelated items, 2D-pixelated assist trophies, 2D-pixelated stages, and 2D-pixelated stage hazards running around on a stage where everything else was remade in 3D. But we're just now having the game's visual cohesiveness sullied?
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Notice how you left fighters off that list? That's because every fighter before Steve has been redesigned to fit Smash rather than looking like it was ripped straight from the source material.
 
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TwiceEXE said:
Notice how you left fighters off that list? That's because every fighter before Steve has been redesigned to fit Smash rather than looking like it was ripped straight from the source material.
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And? Everything else is just as much a part of the game as the fighters are. Not to mention Pac-Man and Duck Hunt, who use a bunch of pixel assets in their movesets.
 
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TheShiningAbsol said:
I don't really understand the complaints about Steve clashing when we literally have 2D-pixelated items, 2D-pixelated assist trophies, 2D-pixelated stages, and 2D-pixelated stage hazards running around on a stage where everything else was remade in 3D. But we're just now having the game's visual cohesiveness sullied?
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Pac-Land has always been the target for its MS Paint visuals.
 
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Let's compare Banjo's last appearance vs how he is portrayed in Smash. If you took him 1:1 from his game and put him in Smash, like Steve. That's going to clash with the other fighters. Now that isn't inherently good or bad, like I said. But it would certainly generate discussion and some people would think it was the wrong choice.

 
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It's funny because if you look at the stuff that differs aesthetically... a lot of it is pretty unpopular...

Mario Bros, 75m, Balloon Fight stage, every single Flat Zone, Dream Land GB, Flying Man, Boss Galaga...

And then stuff like Lakitu, Excitebikes, Infantry & Tanks didn't even return. Now we're down to what, Sheriff and Pong? And Pong is like G&W... how else are you gonna do it? Oh, I guess there's also Akira, and people like him... if are not just indifferent.

And then there's Pac-Land.

It's a good case that Steve wouldn't be the first thing in the entire game like that. But that wasn't what people were saying. It's not the best case insofar as why people wouldn't dislike it, given the precedent...
 
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TwiceEXE said:
Let's compare Banjo's last appearance vs how he is portrayed in Smash. If you took him 1:1 from his game and put him in Smash, like Steve. That's going to clash with the other fighters. Now that isn't inherently good or bad, like I said. But it would certainly generate discussion and some people would think it was the wrong choice.

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Wouldn't it make more sense to use Banjo's first design for the comparison? The design used for Steve in Smash is also Steve's first design, so the comparison would be more accurate that way.

Steve and Banjo's first designs also have the shared trait of being the design used in their series' haydays, and being the design most likely to strike a nostalgic chord with people.
 
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N3ON said:
And Pong is like G&W... how else are you gonna do it?
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I guess that's my real question, how else would you even do Steve? Because there's no way in hell just using the promo art's textures would be enough, he'd still be blocky, that's his visual identity. It's not even really fair to compare it to other characters, because every other character has enough to make an adaptable appearance, even in the case of like, Ice Climbers, who had artwork outside of pixelated confines of their game. Even the comparison with Banjo, his redesign is heavily based on the 64 promo renders.

Steve doesn't have that luxury, he's always his blocky self whether it's in the game or out. Even if they did use the plastic look of the promo art, he would still clash with the rest of the roster.
 
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Blargg888 said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to use Banjo's first design for the comparison? The design used for Steve in Smash is also Steve's first design, so the comparison would be more accurate that way.

Steve and Banjo's first designs also have the shared trait of being the design used in their series' haydays, and being the design most likely to strike a nostalgic chord with people.
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Well that's sort of the point. Smash has used an idealized version of a character for it's existence. Mario isn't based on his early appearance. Link is based on his BOTW design. But the thing is, they are depicted in a way that makes them appear from the same artistic style. Like, Link isn't cel shaded and given a water color pallet. Maybe Smash would look cooler if Mario looked like he did in Donkey Kong, I don't know. All I'm saying is Steve is the singular exception to the rule and it is a bit jarring.
 
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