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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Cutie Gwen

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Maybe they wanted to represent as much of the franchise as they could? Like, the stage already looks jam packed with references, but at the same time, Zombies share the player model already. If anything, it's the Endermen that's the odd duck.
Honestly in terms of references, Sakurai's probably outdone himself. Steve ****ing summons a bed when falling asleep and the trailer shows that Steve needs to mine for blocks and ore to build and craft with, representing all of the core game mechanics outside of hunger. It's just jawdropping how much genuine love was put in for everything
 

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I'm not convinced that was the E3 presentation.
Sure- it's very, very possible.
On the flip side, maybe the characters got switched around when E3 was going to be missed, and they decided to wait for MineCon to release Steve.
I cannot see an option other than these two.
Perhaps. I can't speak definitively on it, of course.

It will be interesting to see who follows... when we get the next reveal... in like... four... months.

Oh nooooooooo
 

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Lockstep is one of my least favorites for this reason. It's eyestrain central.
I'm pretty glad I've never had to actually play it, as I don't own the games that include it. That melody though? Goosebumps. Every time.

If Rhythm Heaven got a stage and/or character, I would totally put that song in there so long as it didn't mean the entire minigame became the background. Nothing would be worth that. I'd just make a more neon kinda stage and have like, maybe 4 of those guys dancing in the background.
 

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I'd like to clarify something for folks in terms of leaks, if anybody had mentioned it.

Given the fact that yes, Vergeben mentioned Steve Minecraft at one point awhile ago. Some are now saying it was legit, and he was right the whole time. I'm pretty sure it's nothing more than coincidence, and it's not actually connected. Based on who leaked it, Verg had every right to not believe them...it was an attention seeker, and there was also mention of a stage boss, which has yet to be seen. That, however, could be revealed Saturday.

Basically, Verg very likely didn't have the information because the person who told him was lying that they knew who it was. Steve getting in now is simply a coincidence.
 

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I'd like to clarify something for folks in terms of leaks, if anybody had mentioned it.

Given the fact that yes, Vergeben mentioned Steve Minecraft at one point awhile ago. Some are now saying it was legit, and he was right the whole time. I'm pretty sure it's nothing more than coincidence, and it's not actually connected. Based on who leaked it, Verg had every right to not believe them...it was an attention seeker, and there was also mention of a stage boss, which has yet to be seen. That, however, could be revealed Saturday.

Basically, Verg very likely didn't have the information because the person who told him was lying that they knew who it was. Steve getting in now is simply a coincidence.
At the same time we have multiple people including Imram saying this was in the works for 3 years or so
 

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I’m happy for Steve fans that they get him (sadly I think this means no halo rep) but to be honest I think I’m looking forward to the the deluxe Mii Costume more
Meaning... you think that the deluxe costume will be Halo?
 

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I get Steve's animations are all directly from the game, but there is a difference between rip and reference.

Mega Man's run is clearly from the game too, but I'm glad it's not just three frames looped.
I think the difference there is that the spritework for all of the retro characters always meant for you to fill in the gaps between frames. Steve's animations are just crude, so what worked for Simon and Mega Man wasn't necessarily going to work for Steve, especially since the crudeness is a source of charm to a lot of people. It's likely that Mr. Game & Watch doesn't have clean animations for similar reasons.
 

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I'm interested who's gonna get Deconfirmed this Saturday

If Geno gets Deconfirmed in the Same week Steve is revealed, I don't think the aftermath will be pretty (it would be interesting though)
I take anything that stops the Geno talk one way or the other.

Of course, that would be impossible
 

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They wanted the Minecraft rep to be a living ****post; Something you'd see from an overzealous fan moveset. Low-quality animations, crazy mechanics, out-there alts, the works.
Well it's only a matter of time that the fan base whines at him for taking fall damage and being instantly koed when he doesn't eat food regularly enough obligatory very tiny pac
 

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I get Steve's animations are all directly from the game, but there is a difference between rip and reference.

Mega Man's run is clearly from the game too, but I'm glad it's not just three frames looped.



I get what they're going for, but jank is not something I'd personally opt to emulate if given the choice, especially when the other characters tend to avoid it. So I understand the complaints, though personally I take more issue with the appearance.
The simplest answer would be that people are not really internally consistent with how they see / implement different characters working in a game such as Smash. Prioritizing similar jank differently between the characters etc. Sakurai might believe that Steve's jank is part of the charm (especially if Bergensten and co. agreed on that point). Meanwhile, he might've simply seen Megaman 8's walk cycle and thought it fit Smash better.

Myself, I believe Steve's jank is part of the character's charm, but that's my personal opinion and partly because it simply doesn't hit the Uncanny Valley for me personally.

SKX31 SKX31 @3BitSaurus if true, what if we get the LoL rep around the time of the Worlds grand finals...?
The collective Internet explodes.

It might not shut down Twitter, but I'd argue it would come really close.

Especially if it's another final between a Chinese team vs. an EU team (as happened in both 2018 and 2019, one could substitute the EU team for a NA team and get practically the same result). The Championship's groups look really wonky this year, so who knows, that could maybe happen.

I'm not counting on it obviously (Worlds Playoffs start October 15th, Grand Final on October 31st). But I won't rule that scenario out at all, since it's the tenth World Championship and Riot could certainly announce stuff there.
 
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I'm interested who's gonna get Deconfirmed this Saturday

If Geno gets Deconfirmed in the Same week Steve is revealed, I don't think the aftermath will be pretty (it would be interesting though)
I legitimately think that most people wouldnt care. Geno is big for Smash, and absolutely nowhere else. Yet, Nintendo benefits very little from the people who already know him actually being satisfied.
 

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I find it strange Steve would have been worked for so long because that would imply they got confirmation for a second pass pretty early in the first's development.

Or Steve got pushed back and he was meant for the first.
Conspiracy theory: Steve was meant to close out the first pass, but they couldn’t get everything locked down in time (if the “in the works for three years” thing is true), and so they pivoted to an easy first-party from an upcoming game to fill the gap: Byleth. Would maybe help explain why the all third-party first pass suddenly ended on a first party.
 

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Idk. If you can take a picture of the character in their own game, make the character its own layer in photoshop and then drag that layer onto Battlefield like a fake leak and end up almost the same to how it actually looks in Smash... that seems kind of an underwhelming interpretation to me. Visually, at least.

I always enjoy the Smash iteration of a character in Smash. Not just because there's some aesthetic harmony between them and the cast (done deliberately to help everyone mesh) but often because the Smash designs are usually pretty clean. And I think that goes doubly when the source game has a pretty distinctly different art style than Smash itself.

Even if someone dragged and dropped actual BotW Link into Smash, that'd look... strange, wouldn't it?

I think the only one who gets away with it is G&W, because there's really nothing else you can do with that character. Giving him a drastic redesign like Pit got would detract from the spirit of the inclusion. But a character like Steve doesn't need a drastic redesign to just get cleaned up a bit.

That's where I stand, at any rate.
 
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I find it strange Steve would have been worked for so long because that would imply they got confirmation for a second pass pretty early in the first's development.

Or Steve got pushed back and he was meant for the first.
Interesting... what if Steve was meant to be fighter 5 for the DLC?
 

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I legitimately think that most people wouldnt care. Geno is big for Smash, and absolutely nowhere else. Yet, Nintendo benefits very little from the people who already know him actually being satisfied.
Oh I wasn't talking about the Casual audience. they'll be fine

I'm talking about the Hardcore Forums like this one and Gamefaqs. Plus I bet there be at least some people on Twitter that would be Salty. in any case, if Geno gets left out again, I could see so many memes, so much discussion on here. So much salt. People on both sides are gonna be extra is what I'm saying

But yeah, honestly if Geno isn't gonna be playable because Nintendo wants other Characters, I think at least a premium costume would be cool
 

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Byleth isn't terrible, just kinda mid, in my opinion. Felt like a bit of a bummer and it doesn't help that now I tend to regularly forget that they are in the game at all.
 

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You know people say Steve is the biggest announcement since Cloud, you're wrong...

It's the biggest announcement since Pac-Man (And tbh it feels like a base game roster pick in the same style as Pac-Man). Like I think that's the best comparison in terms of how iconic we're looking at here, and because of that I think this is a good pick even if I've never played Minecraft and it does nothing for me.
 

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Steve looks fine in-game, it's just his moral art that looks like ****, are you sure the artist couldn't just ya know, draw him

When are we gonna change the forum survey, Saturday or when the character actually drops
 
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