Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SharkLord]

Having a kit Byleth would actually use in the game and access to their most fitting mechanic, Divine Pulse, would be more fitting for Byleth than the weaponry given so as to represent other characters in a way that isn't even possible in the game.

I agree with the original assertion. You could give Byleth's moveset (with a new coat of paint) to the Hunter and it wouldn't be that weird. Maybe it wouldn't be the best representation of the character, but arguably, the Byleth we got isn't the best representation of Byleth. Just because it's not the implementation you envision or believe to be ideal doesn't mean it can't work.

The question is, if we got the Monster Hunter with Byleth's moveset, would people have batted an eye more than they did over Byleth getting Byleth's moveset?

And before people strawman me, I'm not saying they can't both be unique. Obviously they can.

Yes, because there would be less discontent over being the 8th character in the franchise. Then more people would see that they wouldn't have the iconic greatsword, they either wouldn't use the Long Sword in a quick-draw style or wouldn't make use of the shield half of the Sword and Shield, they'd use the Switch Axe/Charge Blade in a much slower and tankier manner than usual, they'd either give the Lance or Gunlance a sweetspot for no reason in particular or make the Insect Glaive a simple grounded weapon instead of a diving aerial tool, and they'd pull a whip out of their rear end for no real reason. The Monster Hunter wouldn't fit Byleth's moveset at all.

 

[Arcane Jill]

Whew, finally off work and got to see the new showcase. New monster hunters look great, def gonna get Rise day 1 most likely.
New Disgaea! Figured it would be announced soon since they put the company postcard out for it not long ago. Felt unsure about the 3D models at first, but the other trailer for the game showed them off a lot better and I quite like them. The fact that I won't have to wait for the game to be ported from the Playstation this time is also a huge plus!
Balan looks interesting and the Ori shadowdrop was nice! All in all, this was a great Direct! If they keep this up, I think I like the monthly bite-sized partners more than traditional directs now! Not having to guess how many months you will have to wait for a direct is a huge plus!
Hopefully we get a Sakurai at the end of the month.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

I think there's a fair point to be made that Monster Hunter could have a moveset that's similar to Byleth's in function. It basically already happened in MvCI, which is responsible for people even thinking about Monster Hunter in that way. The attacks aren't one-to-one, but there is a direct comparison to be made as they both are slow characters with big buttons. Again, I'm not saying they would have the same attacks. I'm just saying that there could easily be a similar methodology to how the characters are used.

I don't think it's the only way to make Monster Hunter work, though, and I don't think it's the best way for the hunter to be used in Smash. Personally, I'd focus on one weapon style, preferably one of the more versatile ones. It would be really easy to take a single weapon and focus on making every move different in terms of movement and spacing. For instance, give them a forward-smash that makes them do a step back before swinging forward. Or the other way around where an attack is so powerful that it knocks the hunter back as well. Attacks that specifically create movement options are pretty rare in Smash outside of specials. The hunter would be a perfect character to focus on very technical microspacing.

 

[N3ON]

They can't use half of the moveset considering they don't have a chain sword and the rest are not used similarly. So no, it would be weird.

They do now, baby.

 

[SharkLord]

They do now, baby.

While I disagree on a moveset basis, you still get that like because of the sheer hilarity of a Hunter going up to a Rathalos and just lightly booping them with the Wirebug. You have the big sword, you're fighting the big dragon and you just whack them with a tiny little buggo. The mental image of that is just too much.

On that note, when do we get to learn about Wirebug biology and why they have a wire in the first place?

 

[Deleted member]

They do now, baby.

I have many questions but I don’t know if I actually want to know the answers

 

[Garteam]

We've advanced from "too many sword users" to "too many weapon users".

Progress.

 

[SKX31]

Yeah, I don't really see Nintendo being interested in Phoenix considering that AA is basically on its death bed at this point.

Like I said, we only got Banjo & Kazooie because of massive fervent fan demand. I'm not convinced Phoenix Wright is on that level.

I've never been convinced that B-K's inclusion rests wholly on fan demand. I'll repeat on this:

We have to remember that are Rareware's most prominent characters (outside of the DKC characters, but that's Nintendo's property anyhow). Even after Sea of Thieves became a success and pretty much revitalized Rareware. Sure, one could hypotheoretically use a SoT Pirate (who fills pretty much a :-esque role in game)... but SoT does not have iconic characters the same way as WoW has (AFAIK). SoT would be very difficult to even properly market partly because of that to the Smash audience. Thusly, SoT's out (as an aside, if SoT has come out on the Switch or even Wii U in 2017 or before then it'd have a legitimate chance I'd argue).

As for other Rare characters... B-K is more major than Battletoads, KI or more mature ones like Conker and Joanna Dark. And Rareware was a consistent developer for Nintendo for 10+ years (arguably even 15). B-K's case was strenghened because of that status as "The #1 choice from a former second party".

Phil Spencer officially sponsoring the inclusion helped a ton. That's not to say that the fan-demand didn't have an important effect on the selection - the fan demand absolutely did help a lot. I'm just not convinced it's the only reason.

 

[cashregister9]

All I want with any Monster Hunter Moveset is the Switchaxe

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Yeah, I don't really see Nintendo being interested in Phoenix considering that AA is basically on its death bed at this point.

Like I said, we only got Banjo & Kazooie because of massive fervent fan demand. I'm not convinced Phoenix Wright is on that level.

Getting multiple original games released in the last decade and having the original trilogy collection being ported to all modern consoles in 2019 = death bed now huh? Despite numerous other franchises already in Smash, including 3rd Parties, doing no better or even worse than that.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

If Monster Hunter was added the wirebug could be an interesting up special, it could act as a tether recovery even if there isn't any grabbable edges nearby.

 

[SharkLord]

If Monster Hunter was added the wirebug could be an interesting up special, it could act as a tether recovery even if there isn't any grabbable edges nearby.

Or it could just be a shortened version of the Ice Climber's Up Special, since the main fighter is a lot bigger and the puller is a lot smaller. Probably a bit of both.

But for real, it's pretty impressive that the Wirebug can lift a full-size Hunter and their stupid amount of heavy gear.

 

[Dinoman96]

Getting multiple original games released in the last decade and having the original trilogy collection being ported to all modern consoles in 2019 = death bed now huh? Despite numerous other franchises already in Smash, including 3rd Parties, doing no better or even worse than that.

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Haven't some of the key people behind the series left Capcom recently? I don't think that's a good sign for it.

There also hasn't been a new installment since 2017 and we haven't heard a peep about a new game for it.

 

[Deleted member]

Haven't some of the key people behind the series left Capcom? I don't think that's a good sign for it.

Optimism is good.

I am sure they can find a way to continue the series.

 

[Shroob]

Haven't some of the key people behind the series left Capcom recently? I don't think that's a good sign for it.

I mean, Ono's leaving Capcom, but I highly doubt Street Fighter's in any jeopardy.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm tempted to say all of you are wrong about Phoenix Wright, but deep down, I know he isn't as likely as Monster Hunter or Dante.

Though one can hope. :3

 

[Deleted member]

I'm tempted to say all of you are wrong about Phoenix Wright, but deep down, I know he isn't as likely as Monster Hunter or Dante.

Though one can hope. :3

Personally I never saw why Dante would be considered likely at all.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm tempted to say all of you are wrong about Phoenix Wright, but deep down, I know he isn't as likely as Monster Hunter or Dante.

Though one can hope. :3

Me with like all of my wants:

 

[Deleted member]

Personally I never saw why Dante would be considered likely at all.

Well...

-He is a very iconic Capcom character.
-DMC is on the Switch, and is getting new DLC.
-He is beloved by many Smash fans.

I know you can say this for some other character, but still. Dante is quite iconic.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

There also hasn't been a new installment since 2017 and we haven't heard a peep about a new game for it.

That's a pretty small a** timeframe to be declaring a franchise dead, now isn't it? Believe it or not, not every series has to be Pokemon with yearly releases.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Well...

-He is a very iconic Capcom character.
-DMC is on the Switch, and is getting new DLC.
-He is beloved by many Smash fans.

I know you can say this for some other character, but still. Dante is quite iconic.

Also, DMC got a recent new game that caused the series to gain massive popularity recently after being dead for almost a decade.

 

[Arcane Jill]

If we get a MH rep, hoping I can send people flying with my dootstick. Don't get why people keep saying a MH rep would play like byleth, they would most likely be able to use all 14 weapons ala Inkling (several of which would be unlike any other weapons we have already in smash) , and would most likely have a more punish based playstyle over Byleth's short-mid zoner playstyle.
Really feel like some people are giving a very surface level take here saying that since byleth uses multiple weapons they would play similarly. The only weapon they really share is the bow and Aymr kinda functions like a Greatsword would. That's pretty much all they got in common, MH doesn't have a whip or whipsword and it's lances don't function at all like Areadbhar does. I really don't get this arguement at all.

 

[Polan]

c'mon sakurai. don't leave my boy rathalos all alone in smash. bring in someone to hunt him down.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That's a pretty small a** timeframe to be declaring a franchise dead, now isn't it? Believe it or not, not every series has to be Pokemon with yearly releases.

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Honestly, with how Capcom has been including Ace Attorney in more advertising and celebration pics, I think it's on the rise.

As it should be.

 

[Deleted member]

Ace Attorney isn't dead, it will be fine.

 

[SharkLord]

If we get a MH rep, hoping I can send people flying with my dootstick. Don't get why people keep saying a MH rep would play like byleth, they would most likely be able to use all 14 weapons ala Inkling (several of which would be unlike any other weapons we have already in smash) , and would most likely have a more punish based playstyle over Byleth's short-mid zoner playstyle.
Really feel like some people are giving a very surface level take here saying that since byleth uses multiple weapons they would play similarly. The only weapon they really share is the bow and Aymr kinda functions like a Greatsword would. That's pretty much all they got in common, MH doesn't have a whip or whipsword and it's lances don't function at all like Areadbhar does. I really don't get this arguement at all.

Actually, the Greatsword would just be a DORIYAH on steroids. Have fun with your opponent dealing 30% in a single hit from halfway across the stage!

 

[Shroob]

c'mon sakurai. don't leave my boy rathalos all alone in smash. bring in someone to hunt him down.

Can you really say you love someone

If you don't hunt them to extinction and use their parts as armor and weaponry?

 

[Deleted member]

Smash Speculators...

How do you view Monster Hunter's odds right now?

 

[Wunderwaft]

Smash Speculators...

How do you view Monster Hunter's odds right now?

Likeliest character right now imo
Gonna give them a 70% rating.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean, Ono's leaving Capcom, but I highly doubt Street Fighter's in any jeopardy.

Ono...

I had to.

Also was Monster Hunter promoted more than Dragon Quest XI S? It got more amiibos, and it even got its own direct.

 

[Droodle]

If not a fighter, I would certainly like more MH spirits; and maybe even more bosses (next Smash). Rathalos alone isn't enough to do it justice imo, give me more Gore Magala, Brachy, Rajang (SSJ3), etc. The series is frankly underrepresented with just Rathalos.

I still haven't changed my stances on MH. I think either it or Dante are coming, (but I lean towards MH, like 5% more); both have great chances. Especially for 3rd parties.

 

[Polan]

Can you really say you love someone

If you don't hunt them to extinction and use their parts as armor and weaponry?

"me wearing bits of your face is proof of my deep unyielding love"

 

[Shroob]

"me wearing bits of your face is proof of my deep unyielding love"

Now this is anime.

 

[Phoenixio]

Honestly I feel like most of the characters thus far have been picked because of the potential for marketing while Sakurai and Co gets to have a couple oddball/personal picks, like and

But Terry makes so much sense! People were blinded by 3rd parties such as Master Chief, Steve and whatnot, but that was such an obvious pick if you think about it! Big company, was in TONS of games, is well known by anybody who's ever played a fighting game, represents another side of the fighting-game corporations... Really cool move, and SNK were super generous as well. One of the best DLC/newcomer picks, if you ask me, well above Joker for sure.

 

[SharkLord]

Ono...

I had to.

Also was Monster Hunter promoted more than Dragon Quest XI S? It got more amiibos, and it even got its own direct.

Yeah, but DQXIS was brought up in literally every direct they could. Monster Hunter got it's own direct, but there weren't any generals to feature them in.

 

[Rikarte]

If not a fighter, I would certainly like more MH spirits; and maybe even more bosses (next Smash). Rathalos alone isn't enough to do it justice imo, give me more Gore Magala, Brachy, Rajang (SSJ3), etc. The series is frankly underrepresented with just Rathalos.

I still haven't changed my stances on MH. I think either it or Dante are coming, (but I lean towards MH, like 5% more); both have great chances. Especially for 3rd parties.

I still can't get over MH having a designated area in WoL but not a single spirit outside of Rathalos.

 

[Wunderwaft]

If not a fighter, I would certainly like more MH spirits; and maybe even more bosses (next Smash). Rathalos alone isn't enough to do it justice imo, give me more Gore Magala, Brachy, Rajang (SSJ3), etc. The series is frankly underrepresented with just Rathalos.

Rathalos is boring as hell IMO
He's the entry level boss and by the time you fight the big boys you forget about him. Gimme someone like Rajang instead.

 

[Deleted member]

Now this is anime.

Feels like something that would be said in a card game anime ngl. Just replace most of the verbs with relevant card game lingo instead

 

[3BitSaurus]

Can you really say you love someone

If you don't hunt them to extinction and use their parts as armor and weaponry?

Can't be an endangered species if you're all dead in the first place.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Is this the beginning of the Capcom Wars?