Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And thinking about it, Famicom Detective Club with it's remakes has got me thinking that Ayumi Tachibana could be a dark horse pick but maybe 4th or 5th, I can see the game coming west, just Nintendo is unsure how to market it for now.

They know exactly how to market it silly! They just shadowdrop it on twitter and hope people care.

On an off note, I think the main reason why the game was made was to shut that investor up who kept asking about it in the quarterly reports.

Well if that's the case then I highly doubt they'd add a character to promote a game they didn't want to make in the first place.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Some idle thoughts that'll never happen, but...

It'd be nice if we at least got a little road map on the reveals and stuff.

Like "next reveal in Winter 2020" or something like that, just to give us something to look forward to instead of just having the same goddamn thing happen every week where people expect announcements only to complain that Nintendo is bad at communicating when we get nothing.

Don't get me wrong; Nintendo is terrible at communicating, but I feel like a lot of the complaints I'd see about it are people waiting for a Smash reveal rather than Nintendo fans actually asking for more transparency in general.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Was scrolling through Twitter and I found this:

The definition of “fan rule” here seems to suggest that those who come up with “rules” are actively trying to make it so that people “can’t want their most wanted”.

At least from my point of view, it seems like an overly sensitive reading of the situation. If I roll up with an opinion, based on something, where I say, “I believe we will not get Shovel Knight or Waluigi because I do not believe we’ll get Assist Trophy upgrades for these reasons”, is that me “not letting someone want who they want” or just making an argument as to why I don’t necessarily think it’s likely?

Granted, Twitter is a social hellscape so that’s probably part of it too lol. But it seems as though “fan rule” is partially a defense mechanism for fans. Eh, can’t say I blame anybody, especially if dudes just show up and call your most wanted pick trash and start speaking in absolutes.

Otherwise it’s just speculation.

EDIT: To be clear, I’ve come to the realization that “fan rule” here probably refers to stupid things like “too obscure”, “too sexy” or “too big”. Yes, those are stupid rules. But to make a case as to why something may or may not be is not a fan rule. It’s speculation.

 

[SneakyLink]

Was scrolling through Twitter and I found this:View attachment 285075
The definition of “fan rule” here seems to suggest that those who come up with “rules” are actively trying to make it so that people “can’t want their most wanted”.

At least from my point of view, it seems like an overly sensitive reading of the situation. If I roll up with an opinion, based on something, where I say, “I believe we will not get Shovel Knight or Waluigi because I do not believe we’ll get Assist Trophy upgrades for these reasons”, is that me “not letting someone want who they want” or just making an argument as to why I don’t necessarily think it’s likely?

Granted, Twitter is a social hellscape so that’s probably part of it too lol. But it seems as though “fan rule” is partially a defense mechanism for fans. Eh, can’t say I blame anybody, especially if dudes just show up and call your most wanted pick trash and speaking in absolutes.

Otherwise it’s just speculation.

First, Twitter is a landscape filled with the strangest sort. Then again, Social Media (and the internet) in general lets you hide behind a screen so that you have complete anonymity. That said, comments on Twitter compared to other places is... odd. Sometimes it makes GameFAQS look tame based on how the comments are always overwhelmingly negative. (Side note: I noticed similar comments on related Facebook pages so it isn't a Twitter problem, but rather a social media one).

Second, fan rules always felt like gate-keeping because there has to be a justification. Sure, getting in as a assist likely is a death sentence, but what if a assist enters as DLC? Are people gonna start calling them a "exception" because fearing the worst, or are people gonna put nothing but upgrades in their pass? (It sorta happened during the ARMS speculation where I suspect a lot of Spring Man supporters didn't want him for being him but wanted him to give them renewed hope. Nothing against genuine supporters of the character, just something I noticed during browsing).

In reality the only hard rule we have is must originate from a video game. Which keeps Smash as the video game crossover. Sure there have been multimedia crossovers (my personal all time fav is Lego Dimensions), but keeping Smash to video games gives it identity.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Fan rules are more often than not just base points to give discussion some of structure to work off of. No one's stopping anyone from suggesting we're getting another FE character after all, but such an idea will naturally get some people responding as to why they think that's unlikely. Otherwise you're basically just getting infinite variations "Hey wouldn't it be neat if so-and-so was in Smash" which has its charms yet is a bit limiting for having any sort of interesting dialogue about it.

 

[cashregister9]

Was scrolling through Twitter and I found this:View attachment 285075
The definition of “fan rule” here seems to suggest that those who come up with “rules” are actively trying to make it so that people “can’t want their most wanted”.

At least from my point of view, it seems like an overly sensitive reading of the situation. If I roll up with an opinion, based on something, where I say, “I believe we will not get Shovel Knight or Waluigi because I do not believe we’ll get Assist Trophy upgrades for these reasons”, is that me “not letting someone want who they want” or just making an argument as to why I don’t necessarily think it’s likely?

Granted, Twitter is a social hellscape so that’s probably part of it too lol. But it seems as though “fan rule” is partially a defense mechanism for fans. Eh, can’t say I blame anybody, especially if dudes just show up and call your most wanted pick trash and speaking in absolutes.

Otherwise it’s just speculation.

I used to believe that Spirits deconfirmed characters not because I "Hate those stupid ****ing [insert character] fans" or whatever but because it made speculation more interesting for me.

I do know that there were people who were gatekeepers with the idea of fan rules but the problem was grossly exaggerated

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Sure, getting in as a assist likely is a death sentence, but what if a assist enters as DLC? Are people gonna start calling them a "exception" because fearing the worst, or are people gonna put nothing but upgrades in their pass? (It sorta happened during the ARMS speculation where I suspect a lot of Spring Man supporters didn't want him for being him but wanted him to give them renewed hope. Nothing against genuine supporters of the character, just something I noticed during browsing).

I don't think everyone thought we were only going to get Assist Trophies, but putting Assist Trophies back on the table opens the door for a lot of characters. More than enough to get carried away with.

But alas, it will never be.

 

[Guynamednelson]

it made speculation more interesting for me.

To be fair, spirit characters still aren't frequently brought up anyway because this fandom can't move on from their generic big name third party pass predictions.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I also feel as though there’s been much more of an “us vs them” nature of speculation lately. Like, pouncing on users if they’re “wrong” about something relating to a character addition, and trying harder to be “correct” than to enjoy playing/talking about Smash.

Dudes, nobody ****ing cares if you guessed correctly about the wacky wahoo fighting game.

Do I want Dante, Crash, and 2B? Yes, I’d also like Lloyd Irving too. Do I think some of them are likely? Potentially. But what will happen if I wrong?! Goodness, I would be in shambles!

Actually, I would embrace the latest character and get to know them a bit better, playing them when they release.

I’ve been right about some things, and wrong about others. Hasn’t stopped me from making predictions and talking with folks in the community.

Just seems like the focus sometimes drifts closer to, “I just want to be right” rather than actually speculating. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, but nobody actually cares if someone is right or wrong about character selections. Usually it just comes down to writing style or how their points are made.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Some fan rules are fine because they make sense and have precedence.

For example, the "Spirits deconfirm" rule.

I think it was valid for the first Fighters Pass since it was decided while the base game was worked on, so it was fair to assume that if a character was a base game spirit, they wouldn't be part of the Pass because they could've just kept the spirit for when they were actually released as a fighter. That made sense.

Those who claim Min Min is an exception completely missed the point of why the fan rule exists. Volume 2 was decided months after launch, and it's very doubtful Sakurai would deny characters a spot in the second pass solely because they already were a png in late 2018.

The rule no longer applies today, imo, but it doesn't mean the entire Pass will be nothing but Spirit promotions either. It's possible that Min Min could be the only one, but it wouldn't be because of that fan rule since the context behind it is no longer applicable.

So those who keep using the "Spirit deconfirm" rule and brand Min Min as an exception? That's just gatekeeping for the sake of gatekeeping.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

To be fair, spirit characters still aren't frequently brought up anyway because this fandom can't move on from their generic big name third party pass predictions.

Interesting that you mention that when one of the highest speculated characters has usually been a Galar Pokemon and Zelda took over discussion yesterday. Seems like you’re exaggerating here.

In addition, I haven’t actually seen any pass predictions that are several “huge 3rd parties” for awhile and I browse through here somewhat often. Seems quite a few folks, including myself, actually predict there’s a good chance of at least one more 1st party being added at this point.

It doesn’t always have to be 1st vs 3rd party.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Interesting that you mention that when one of the highest speculated characters has usually been a Galar Pokemon and Zelda took over discussion yesterday. Seems like you’re exaggerating here.

In addition, I haven’t actually seen any pass predictions that are several “huge 3rd parties” for awhile and I browse through here somewhat often. Seems quite a few folks, including myself, actually predict there’s a good chance of at least one more 1st party being added at this point.

It doesn’t always have to be 1st vs 3rd party.

Yeah, I personally expect one more first party, maybe two. Granted, I also think we'll be getting a good chunk of third parties purely based on precedant, so I don't know if I'm the right person to ask.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I like how Twitter got brought up because it reminded me of a meme I have on my phone that also applies to people claiming their most wanted characters have evil haters who act like cartoon characters

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Interesting that you mention that when one of the highest speculated characters has usually been a Galar Pokemon and Zelda took over discussion yesterday. Seems like you’re exaggerating here.

Being fair, we wouldn't have had Zelda talk if it wasn't for that Hyrule Warriors reveal.

This shows just how much tunnel vision a lot of speculators have, thinking the only way a first-party character can happen is if they have a game coming soon... despite Min Min being from a 2017 game and added to Smash in 2020.

EDIT: Being fair, this has precedence, since there hasn't been a first-party newcomer DLC who wasn't relatively recent at the time of release, but still...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think there’s a bit of a thing where we have the only “spoken” rule from Sakurai being that a character “must originate from a video game” but I think there are certain things that can be deduced from information and inferences where we don’t have information.

For example, as this old man always says, “Every new series getting their first character starts with a protagonist”. This has held true for every single series. While some folks may think otherwise, the fact that Sakurai specifically mentioned that “Some May think Spring Man is the protagonist. But that is not the case. They’re all protagonists!” To mention this suggests that there’s grounds for consideration in character selection. As in, if it didn’t matter in the first place, why mention it? Considering it’s a mascot crossover, it’s not a gigantic reach to assume that, just like the nearly 35ish series already, most “new” series/games will start with a mascot.

It’s not a hard rule, but something that is largely backed by something. Has a huge sample size, etc.

That doesn’t mean somebody can’t support a non-protagonist from a series/game not currently represented, it merely means that in terms of likelihood, it isn’t largely backed by precedent. On top of THAT, it doesn’t disconfirm any character 100%, but it doesn’t point toward them.

This is the type of stuff that probably seems like a “fan rule”, but it probably comes down to the way the argument is presented, if I’m being honest.

 

[PLANTMAN]

Was scrolling through Twitter and I found this:View attachment 285075
The definition of “fan rule” here seems to suggest that those who come up with “rules” are actively trying to make it so that people “can’t want their most wanted”.

At least from my point of view, it seems like an overly sensitive reading of the situation. If I roll up with an opinion, based on something, where I say, “I believe we will not get Shovel Knight or Waluigi because I do not believe we’ll get Assist Trophy upgrades for these reasons”, is that me “not letting someone want who they want” or just making an argument as to why I don’t necessarily think it’s likely?

Granted, Twitter is a social hellscape so that’s probably part of it too lol. But it seems as though “fan rule” is partially a defense mechanism for fans. Eh, can’t say I blame anybody, especially if dudes just show up and call your most wanted pick trash and start speaking in absolutes.

Otherwise it’s just speculation.

EDIT: To be clear, I’ve come to the realization that “fan rule” here probably refers to stupid things like “too obscure”, “too sexy” or “too big”. Yes, those are stupid rules. But to make a case as to why something may or may not be is not a fan rule. It’s speculation.

I’m just gonna drop this here

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So-called "fan rules" could also be conjured not to gatekeep others, but moreso yourself and to keep your own expectations at bay and bring em back to realism.

For example, despite my huge support for Min Min, I was adamant on Spring Man being the ARMS character due to "mascot first", and it honestly really helped me get through the 3 months not getting my hype too overblown in the possibility of it all crashing down. Thankfully everything ended up working out anyways, but I found it a pretty good safety procedure of sorts.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think there’s a bit of a thing where we have the only “spoken” rule from Sakurai being that a character “must originate from a video game” but I think there are certain things that can be deduced from information and inferences where we don’t have information.

For example, as this old man always says, “Every new series getting their first character starts with a protagonist”. This has held true for every single series. While some folks may think otherwise, the fact that Sakurai specifically mentioned that “Some May think Spring Man is the protagonist. But that is not the case. They’re all protagonists!” To mention this suggests that there’s grounds for consideration in character selection. As in, if it didn’t matter in the first place, why mention it? Considering it’s a mascot crossover, it’s not a gigantic reach to assume that, just like the nearly 35ish series already, most “new” series/games will start with a mascot.

It’s not a hard rule, but something that is largely backed by something. Has a huge sample size, etc.

That doesn’t mean somebody can’t support a non-protagonist from a series/game not currently represented, it merely means that in terms of likelihood, it isn’t largely backed by precedent. On top of THAT, it doesn’t disconfirm any character 100%, but it doesn’t point toward them.

This is the type of stuff that probably seems like a “fan rule”, but it probably comes down to the way the argument is presented, if I’m being honest.

It should also be pointed out that Sakurai had Slime as a backup plan if Square Enix wasn't okay with Hero, since Slime is the clear mascot of the franchise despite being a common basic mook.

This shows that if a mascot isn't a protagonist, they're not going to be ruled out solely because "every new series must start with the main protagonist".

So there real pattern isn't "main protagonist first" but rather "main protagonist OR mascot first", since it's possible for a mascot to not be the main protagonist, as we can see with examples such as DQ's Slime, Soulcalibur's Nightmare and Mortal Kombat's Scorpion (until MKX and even then, he's never the main one) among others.

But people would still assume the rule breaks if we get one of those non-protagonist mascots in Smash anyway because of course they would.

 

[Deleted member]

I used to use Twitter, and goodness, it was so annoying.

There can be annoying moments in here, but Twitter's annoying moments were MUCH worse.

Also, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has proven time and time again that limits are meant to be broken.

Here are examples from the DLC:

"If You Aren't Relevant, You Are Deconfirmed!"

"All Third-Party/The First Fighter Pass Will End WIth an Iconic Third Party!"

"Spirits Deconfirm!"

I believe someone has more of this in their signature.

TLDR: Fan rules are dumb.

 

[Teeb147]

It should also be pointed out that Sakurai had Slime as a backup plan if Square Enix wasn't okay with Hero, since Slime is the clear mascot of the franchise despite being a common basic mook.

This shows that if a mascot isn't a protagonist, they're not going to be ruled out solely because "every new series must start with the main protagonist".

So there real pattern isn't "main protagonist first" but rather "main protagonist OR mascot first", since it's possible for a mascot to not be the main protagonist, as we can see with examples such as DQ's Slime, Soulcalibur's Nightmare and Mortal Kombat's Scorpion (until MKX and even then, he's never the main one) among others.

But people would still assume the rule breaks if we get one of those non-protagonist mascots in Smash anyway because of course they would.

Huh? Where did anyone say slime was a backup??

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The more I think about it, the likelier a Xenoblade Chronicles character seems to me. Aside from having a big new game coming out right this second, Xenoblade Chronicles seems to be in the same spot as Fire Emblem when Robin, Lucina, Roy, Corrin, Chrom, Byleth happened.

The question is, would they want to go with the most recent game (Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition), a (mostly) unrepresented game (Xenoblade Chronicles 2) or a more recent and almost completely unrepresented game (Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna-The Golden Country)? I think the latter game will get stuff even if they go with vanilla Xenoblade Chronicles 2, but I'm not sure they'd pick the protagonist of that game specifically since I think Rex is more well known to the public than girl who's name I don't remember (though that could just be me projecting since I don't even remember her name).

That doesn’t mean somebody can’t support a non-protagonist from a series/game not currently represented, it merely means that in terms of likelihood, it isn’t largely backed by precedent. On top of THAT, it doesn’t disconfirm any character 100%, but it doesn’t point toward them.

Imo this rule is in place to make sure series are represented properly. Like, I know we as a thread can't really decide if Lloyd, Yuri, or Velvet would be the better pick, but I think we can all agree that adding a secondary character, even an extremely major one like Collete, would just be the weirdest decision and a pretty unfavorable one at that.

It's why I personally heavily disagree with the decision to add Min Min over Spring Man.

Huh? Where did anyone say slime was a backup??

I don't remember exactly where (probably a column), but Sakurai had stated that if SquareEnix said no to Hero, they'd have gone with Slime instead.

 

[PLANTMAN]

There can be annoying moments in here, but Twitter's annoying moments were MUCH worse.

So is their predictions

Also, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has proven time and time again that limits are meant to be broken.

"If You Aren't Relevant, You Are Deconfirmed!"

"All Third-Party/The First Fighter Pass Will End WIth an Iconic Third Party!"

"Spirits Deconfirm!"

I believe someone has more of this in their signature.

TLDR: Fan rules are dumb.

I wonder when the “he’s a dlc mii costume” rule will break?

 

[Guynamednelson]

So-called "fan rules" could also be conjured not to gatekeep others, but moreso yourself and to keep your own expectations at bay and bring em back to realism.

For example, despite my huge support for Min Min, I was adamant on Spring Man being the ARMS character due to "mascot first", and it honestly really helped me get through the 3 months not getting my hype too overblown in the possibility of it all crashing down. Thankfully that wasn't the case, but I found it a pretty good safety procedure of sorts.

This is me with Doomguy. We aren't getting a buttload of icons with this line of DLC, Banjo might just be an exception for western characters because of the ballot and the N64, and it seems Bethesda only worked with Nintendo for the Vault-Boy costume, so I believe his chances are low. If he gets in, cool, but I doubt any flavor of green-armored shootman will get in this pass.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Nintendo hasn’t tweeted yet today...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I’m just gonna drop this here

Um, Shantae...are you OK?

I wonder when the “he’s a dlc mii costume” rule will break?

Probably not at all. Why negotiate for and spend resources on modeling costumes for DLC only to turn around and make them playable? I think DLC Spirits disconfirm, but DLC Mii Costumes are way worse in that regard.

EDIT: I don't agree with the notion that a company having a DLC Mii costume would rule them out though.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Being fair, we wouldn't have had Zelda talk if it wasn't for that Hyrule Warriors reveal.

This shows just how much tunnel vision a lot of speculators have, thinking the only way a first-party character can happen is if they have a game coming soon... despite Min Min being from a 2017 game and added to Smash in 2020.

To be fair, speculation that takes into account all possibilities as equal wouldn’t be speculation really. There’s alot of first parties that have made a splash in the last few years, so it’s hard to keep track of all of them.

But Breath of the Wild isn’t a game that was passed over in speculation. The Champions, “Wild Link” and Zelda all got plenty of support for the base game. Its momentous release and impact were all mentioned as reasons to have it represented in a character.

But then base game came and, even for a game as monumental as Breath of the Wild it wasn’t enough to give Zelda a proper newcomer, even after its momentous reception. All the cards it had were laid down on the table at the right time and after base game, no cards got added to its deck besides maybe Champion’s Ballad. However, that status quo wasn’t enough for a character. For fans of BoTW, there was no reason to assume DLC would change that.
That’s in no way comparable to ARMS. ARMS didn’t get a character in base game, because of the base game being too late for the impact of ARMS to properly land, which is not comparable to Breath of the Wild, whose release definitely made an impact in Smash. For ARMS, the status quo immediately changed once the timing issue was resolved through DLC, whereas the existence of DLC didn’t suddenly make BoTW’s cast even more beloved or better. DLC took away specific and mentioned roadblocks for ARMS, but merely added more slots for BoTW in the same vein it did for every series. The status quo that prevented a Zelda character in base game didn’t change.

That is, until Calamity struck...

Age of Calamity isn’t just ”advertisement”, it’s a shift in the status quo and a new breath of life for a game that seemed set in its representation for base game and after that didn’t have any change in status quo to make that representation outdated. It‘s an assurance that the world of Breath of the Wild is getting attention beyond a far-off sequel, it’s direct attention and confidence in the series for being a holiday title. It is, however small, something that sets Breath of the Wild’s situation apart from its state as it was during release, something that ARMS already got by the sheer existence of DLC, immediately solving its timing issues and allowing the quirky and well-received fighting mechanics make a debut in Smash.

Age of Calamity is a ripple in waters of which the waves have already crashed in the shore without smashing the sandcastle, whereas ARMS’ wave was too late to hit the sandcastle in the first place, with its second wave being a threat when you build a second castle.

 

[Teeb147]

I don't remember exactly where (probably a column), but Sakurai had stated that if SquareEnix said no to Hero, they'd have gone with Slime instead.

Lol ok I thought someone made it up somewhere along the lines.

In any case I think that sakurai could just decide to use another known character from a series, not just protag or mascot, though obviously that's the most likely.

Does Sans count more as mascot? or Meme? Lol

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think there’s a bit of a thing where we have the only “spoken” rule from Sakurai being that a character “must originate from a video game” but I think there are certain things that can be deduced from information and inferences where we don’t have information.

Actually, the rule isn't so clear cut.

The actual rules he said were that "manga characters will not join the battle" [source] and that Smash "will only have content from video games in it" [source]

At first thought, this does sound like "must originate from video games only", but what it really means is that it's the depiction of a character that must originate from a video game, so stuff like Geralt of Rivia from the Witcher series can still qualify despite originating from novels since the games have their own identity.

We already have examples of this with some NPCs, Dracula originating from a novel but clearly using his Castlevania depictions and Dr. Kawashima, who is a very real person in our very real world but in Smash, they use his depiction in the Brain Age series.

Sure, they aren't playable characters, but it shows that the line has already been crossed in some fashion.

I still don't think we'd get Goku though, because it's pretty much impossible to only be game-specific with him. Especially since pretty much all DB games reference the anime and manga, so it's impossible to have "content from video games" with him. Also because manga characters are ruled out lol

However, as an example; a King Mickey spirit coming alongside Sora (assuming Disney would be cool with it) wouldn't cross any lines since King Mickey is exclusive to Kingdom Hearts. It also means Sora can keep the Mickey symbol on his Keyblade since again, this is never seen outside of KH. It's "content from video games", even if Mickey himself as well as his symbol don't originate from one, as these depictions are exclusive to video games.

 

[Deleted member]

Here was my experience with Twitter. I am glad I left. Sorry if the text is too small.

In here, at least you are not threatened if you disagree with a user over a dumb opinion.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Huh? Where did anyone say slime was a backup??

"If he was told ‘no’ to Hero and ‘yes’ to Slime or something like that, he’d do it, but Sakurai felt Hero was the best option." [source]

Okay, maybe Sakurai didn't outright plan him as a backup, but he did admit he'd be okay with it.

 

[PLANTMAN]

Um, Shantae...are you OK?


Probably not at all. Why negotiate for and spend resources on modeling costumes for DLC only to turn around and make them playable? I think DLC Spirits disconfirm, but DLC Mii Costumes are way worse in that regard.

EDIT: I don't agree with the notion that a company having a DLC Mii costume would rule them out though.

I was referring to rex

the others have a 0% chance of upgrades

 

[Guynamednelson]

I was referring to rex

Since his costume was revealed before any FP character I would believe he's in the clear unlike Sans or Cuphead.

 

[MooMew64]

What's funny about the whole "fan-rule" debate is that most people here who have speculated under said "rules" never even really called them rules in the first place. In my opinion, it would be a better to refer to these things as patterns, trends, and precedents, 'cause at the end of the day, those are the things we're trying to look at when speculating.

I'm all for letting people want who they want, but I don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying "I think they are likely/unlikely because of this". This is a speculation thread, after all: People are gonna talk about whether or not they think a character is likely.

Also, I don't think it's good to get so hung up on what total strangers on the internet say about who might or might not get in Funny Wahoo Punch game. I also don't think it's good to be so caught up in being "right" about who gets in.

 

[Teeb147]

What's funny about the whole "fan-rule" debate is that most people here who have speculated under said "rules" never even really called them rules in the first place. In my opinion, it would be a better to refer to these things as patterns, trends, and precedents, 'cause at the end of the day, those are the things we're trying to look at when speculating.

I'm all for letting people want who they want, but I don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying "I think they are likely/unlikely because of this". This is a speculation thread, after all: People are gonna talk about whether or not they think a character is likely.

Also, I don't think it's good to get so hung up on what total strangers on the internet say about who might or might not get in Funny Wahoo Punch game. I also don't think it's good to be so caught up in being "right" about who gets in.

Some people literally believe they're rules, in a way. Which is dumb considering how sakurai is.

 

[SNEKeater]

This announcement is likely the Ninja Gaiden Trulogy then.

Which means Hayabusa is going to get announced at that same time. Source: Dude, trust me.

ITS HAPPENING!

For real though, even if Hayabusa doesn’t end up making it in, at the very least this is nothing but great news for the Ninja Gaiden series, my favorite character action franchise. Sorry Bayo and DMC.

Don't worry, Hayabusa will get in alongside Dante. Then we could see Dante vs. Bayo vs. Hayabusa match-ups, Smash Bros. is now a crazy action game.

I'm thinking we will be getting at least one """Niche""" rep someone like Estelle, Saber, Sakura, Ryza, Reimu, Haruka I also feel like we will be getting a really popular rep like Crash or Sora

I'm with you here. Not really a risky bet in my opinion, but getting a "niche" fighter and a big or popular one feels like very likely.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Does Sans count more as mascot? or Meme? Lol

Being a meme made him a mascot.

I was referring to rex

the others have a 0% chance of upgrades

Ah OK. I'm inclined to agree since there aren't any negotiations necessary with Nintendo characters, and since he's such an early edition, we know for a fact that he could have gotten another pass. Whether they'd pick him or not still remains to be seen though.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Nintendo hasn’t tweeted yet today...

And the cycle begins anew...

 

[Deleted member]

Also, I don't think it's good to get so hung up on what total strangers on the internet say about who might or might not get in Funny Wahoo Punch game. I also don't think it's good to be so caught up in being "right" about who gets in.

This. I know I tend to care heavily about how people in here and on other areas think about me, but even I have boundaries. Some people take Smash speculation WAY too seriously. It is just a party and fighting game. Your life won't fall into pieces if your most wanted character doesn't get in. There are other games you can play.

 

[cashregister9]

Nintendo hasn’t tweeted yet today...

HELP

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly considering how quick people are to point out 'fan rules' I'm half convinced that "That's a fan rule" itself has zero meaning as it's used to dismiss any potential arguments too, I've seen more cases of people shooting down speculation by claiming someone's using fan rules than I've seen people shoot down others for speculating because of made up rules in the past 2 years