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Hadokeyblade

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But what reason do we have to actually believe this? I'll be the first to call out circumstantial evidence in favor of Geno, but this seems just as circumstantial based on things like series icons. I don't think the lack of SMRPG on NSO or any Mario RPGs being absent from the direct is enough to say things one way or the other.

I see there being an announced tournament that presumably isn't subject to change in what it'll advertise as a bigger blow to Mario characters than things that could go either way (not that this can't go either way too, it would just be weird and almost dishonest advertising-wise imo). The only other way I see Mario characters getting added is if it's AFTER this whole big celebration, which would be equally weird and a missed opportunity.
Well it's more a Mario thing than a smash thing but were all aware at this point that the Mario series has to stick with new super Mario branding, which none of those characters fit into.

To be fair, COVID-19 is rampant and is a world threat right now.

Nintendo does put a warning about dates being altered due to COVID-19.

Still, I am very confident we will get Phoenix Wright CP7 in this month or next month.
Not gonna lie, calling Covid 19 a threat to the world seems a bit exaggerated to me considering the recent stats from the CDC.

Maybe I'm being pessimistic here, but I really just don't see us getting a character this month period.


I'm very aware that the game has to be patched this month since Japan gets the Joker and Hero amiibos around the end of the month, but correct me if I'm wrong, but have we not had mini-patches in the past for Ultimate that added in Amiibo functionality and nothing more?

And to top if off, we now have Smol-field, which seems like they're more than willing to do content updates without characters, and thanks to Smol-field, it does seem like they probably have 2-3 more standalone stages planned.
I don't expect those remaining stage spots to be filled in honestly lol
 

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Geno in general is an enigma. A living contradiction. He's not a Nintendo character, but he IS a Mario character. He's pretty obscure, but he's also from the most popular video game IP ever. His notoriety stems almost entirely from Smash Bros., yet he's barely been in it. My dad said he's gonna be in but he's definitely going to be just an upgraded Mii costume. That's why discussing him is so difficult, there's really no other character (at least that's prominently requested) in his position.
 
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But what reason do we have to actually believe this? I'll be the first to call out circumstantial evidence in favor of Geno, but this seems just as circumstantial based on things like series icons. I don't think the lack of SMRPG on NSO or any Mario RPGs being absent from the direct is enough to say things one way or the other.
What Hadokeyblade Hadokeyblade said. Though I'd argue that Waluigi absolutely does fit the "New Super Mario" branding, clearly Nintendo doesn't think so since they won't even let him into the Wario Land or WarioWare series.

EDIT: Though Wario hasn't made an appearance in the mainline Super Mario series since Super Mario Land 2: The 6 Golden Coins so there's that as well.

I see there being an announced tournament that presumably isn't subject to change in what it'll advertise as a bigger blow to Mario characters than things that could go either way (not that this can't go either way too, it would just be weird and almost dishonest advertising-wise imo). The only other way I see Mario characters getting added is if it's AFTER this whole big celebration, which would be equally weird and a missed opportunity.
I don't really get this line of thinking but I've already said my piece on that (to you even) so eh.
 
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Maybe I'm being pessimistic here, but I really just don't see us getting a character this month period.


I'm very aware that the game has to be patched this month since Japan gets the Joker and Hero amiibos around the end of the month, but correct me if I'm wrong, but have we not had mini-patches in the past for Ultimate that added in Amiibo functionality and nothing more?

And to top if off, we now have Smol-field, which seems like they're more than willing to do content updates without characters, and thanks to Smol-field, it does seem like they probably have 2-3 more standalone stages planned.
I say we should be optimistic.

Just because this Mario Direct happened, this does not mean Smash is off the table.

Considering we still have some months of 2020 left (2020, please end already...), I feel like they will put in at least one character. Considering we got Min Min in June, I say it will be either this month or next month. I feel the Smash energy coming in me.
 
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I don't understand why Nintendo shadow drops presentations. It completely defeats the point of one. What's the point of watching the presentation if everyone on social media and news outlets have just told you what's in it? Why even bother? There's no surprise. The video is pointless.

But I got lucky. My phone popped up a notification of Arlo reacts to the Super Mario Direct. I had not gone on Twitter yet. So I carefully popped open the browser on my laptop. I blocked most of the screen with a peice of cardboard. Going onto Youtube and clicking on Nintendo's youtube page, I carefully lowered the cardboard so that I would only see the video of the Direct. The ridiculous lengths I have to go through in order to have a proper unspoiled Direct.

Dear Nintendo, just let me know the night the before for ****s sake! You did it with the Sakurai presentation, why not this?
 
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I don't understand why Nintendo shadow drops presentations. It completely defeats the point of one. What's the point of watching the presentation if everyone on social media and news outlets have just told you what's in it? Why even bother? There's no surprise. The video is pointless.

But I got lucky. My phone popped up a notification of Arlo reacts to the Super Mario Direct. So I carefully popped open the browser on my laptop. I blocked most of the screen with a peice of cardboard. Going onto Youtube and clicking on Nintendo's youtube page, I carefully lowered the cardboard so that I would only see the video of the Direct. The ridiculous lengths I have to go through in order to have a proper unspoiled Direct.

Dear Nintendo, just let me know the night the before for ****s sake! You did it with the Sakurai presentation, why not this?
The irony is that all the news outlets already knew this was coming. We had tons of websites doubling down hard over this last night(Probably because they had their press kits), and GameExplain conveniently had a livestream going at the same time of this. It was just the general population that was left in the dark.
 

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I say we should be optimistic.

Just because this Mario Direct happened, this does not mean Smash is off the table.

Considering we still have some months of 2020 left (2020, please end already...), I feel like they will put in at least one character. Considering we got Min Min in June, I say it will be either this month or next month. I feel the Smash energy coming in me.
Jeez, it's only September 3rd guys.

Yeah, I could see them waiting until October, but this month just started.
Yeah, there's not really any reason to believe that Super Smash Bros. won't show up this year at all. All the Super Mario announcement did is more or less solidify the idea that if when we do get the character, it'll be revealed in a Sakurai Presents "???" since we aren't likely to get this, and a Partner Showcase, and a Nintendo Direct Mini.
 

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I don't understand why Nintendo shadow drops presentations. It completely defeats the point of one. What's the point of watching the presentation if everyone on social media and news outlets have just told you what's in it? Why even bother? There's no surprise. The video is pointless.

But I got lucky. My phone popped up a notification of Arlo reacts to the Super Mario Direct. So I carefully popped open the browser on my laptop. I blocked most of the screen with a peice of cardboard. Going onto Youtube and clicking on Nintendo's youtube page, I carefully lowered the cardboard so that I would only see the video of the Direct. The ridiculous lengths I have to go through in order to have a proper unspoiled Direct.

Dear Nintendo, just let me know the night the before for ****s sake! You did it with the Sakurai presentation, why not this?
I feel the same, these presentations are always shadowdropped while I'm sleeping and I miss out on the whole thing
 

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Well it's more a Mario thing than a smash thing but were all aware at this point that the Mario series has to stick with new super Mario branding, which none of those characters fit into.
I'm aware of that Tanabe interview, but has there been something else that added to it since then? Because I assume the consensus was that it had no effect on Smash and certain spirits already in the game prove that, but this isn't something I've really looked into that much. Because if so, then wouldn't people have kind of disregarded Geno's chances ages ago, including all the alleged "insiders" that still seem to be pushing him?
 

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I'm aware of that Tanabe interview, but has there been something else that added to it since then? Because I assume the consensus was that it had no effect on Smash and certain spirits already in the game prove that, but this isn't something I've really looked into that much. Because if so, then wouldn't people have kind of disregarded Geno's chances ages ago, including all the alleged "insiders" that still seem to be pushing him?
Well for 1 it was incredibly recent, and I think its the first public confirmation of it (there was something similar earlier, but it was centered around just Miamotto).

Sakurai seems to have had the most creative freedom in regards to the Super Mario series, but with Nintendo making the character choices, there's no way a character like Geno or Waluigi is going to be added. The only reason why I haven't thought so until now is because I hadn't put 2 and 2 together yet.
 

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If the next character doesn't get revealed this month I'm willing to just stop waiting for it because it's taken too long. For all we know it was delayed to next year lol
Alright, but there's been longer waits than this.

Like, Min Min taking extra time for development, I completely understand.

But, was Min Min really their only show in regards to Smash for E3 this year?
Personally, I doubt it.

As someone who used to be confident in seeing 3 characters in 2020, yeah I've become skeptical of that weeks ago and could see us only getting CP7 this year and have to wait for the other 4 in 2021.

I really don't think they'll hold off on all 5 remaining characters for 2021 though. That just seems ridiculous, and yes I'm saying this fully aware of how very underwhelming Nintendo has been this year.
Well tbf we would still get three characters this year that way. Even though it seems like Byleth released years ago at this point. At least, to me it does.

But I get what you're saying. Though imo FP8 was always going to be up in the air - the earliest I would've expected it under normal conditions would've been maybe November, like Terry, but that would be quite optimistic.

At least if we do still get all the character by the original deadline, 2021 will be a bit busier than 2020 was for Smash.

I don't understand why Nintendo shadow drops presentations. It completely defeats the point of one. What's the point of watching the presentation if everyone on social media and news outlets have just told you what's in it? Why even bother? There's no surprise. The video is pointless.

But I got lucky. My phone popped up a notification of Arlo reacts to the Super Mario Direct. I had not gone on Twitter yet. So I carefully popped open the browser on my laptop. I blocked most of the screen with a peice of cardboard. Going onto Youtube and clicking on Nintendo's youtube page, I carefully lowered the cardboard so that I would only see the video of the Direct. The ridiculous lengths I have to go through in order to have a proper unspoiled Direct.

Dear Nintendo, just let me know the night the before for ****s sake! You did it with the Sakurai presentation, why not this?
Yeah I kinda agree with this. If something drops when you're busy or sleeping, it becomes outrageously hard to sidestep spoilers.

I get why they shadowdropped the last Partner Direct after the vitriol of the first, but this they could've and should've given some warning for. And all the normal Minis.

The irony is that all the news outlets already knew this was coming. We had tons of websites doubling down hard over this last night(Probably because they had their press kits), and GameExplain conveniently had a livestream going at the same time of this. It was just the general population that was left in the dark.
That is the one that... actually matters though.

I feel the Smash energy coming in me.
There's gotta be a better way to say that.
 

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Question: Why is Nintendo so adamant on keeping up Mario's new brand image (such as only having generic designs for characters) if they are known for always taking risks and trying out new things? It seems to contradict Nintendo's traditional blue ocean business philosophy.
 

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I can't see them releasing Sinnoh remakes next year. I would prefer if they just released a brand new gen.
Well, Nintendo doesn't always go with what you prefer now do they? lol

...You know, I was going to say I agree that we probably won't be seeing those remakes, but given the series's yearly release schedule, we could very well see it as a holiday 2021 release.
 

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Well, Nintendo doesn't always go with what you prefer now do they? lol

...You know, I was going to say I agree that we probably won't be seeing those remakes, but given the series's yearly release schedule, we could very well see it as a holiday 2021 release.
It would just be ignoring the legacy and importance of all the other gens by focusing solely on Gen 4. I honestly think that there will be no new mainline Pokemon title in 2021.
 

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It would just be ignoring the legacy and importance of all the other gens by focusing solely on Gen 4. I honestly think that there will be no new mainline Pokemon title in 2021.
What, you mean from the company that constantly panders to Gen 1 80% of the time? Speaking as someone who started from Gen IV, some Gen IV appreciation would be nice.
 

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Covid notwithstanding the intentions are (or were) to probably release the remakes next year. Pokemon's basically annual at this point, which is unfortunate, and the fact that this year was just DLC means they'll probably be ready for next.

I mean you're preaching to the choir - I'd prefer they take some time to gather themselves and invest in providing a more contemporary experience, but when your titles can sell, what, like 15-20 million units? there's no real reason to shake things up.
 

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Question: Why is Nintendo so adamant on keeping up Mario's new brand image (such as only having generic designs for characters) if they are known for always taking risks and trying out new things? It seems to contradict Nintendo's traditional blue ocean business philosophy.
I don't think they have a policy about only having generic designs. Origami King and Odyssey did have unique original characters.

If you mean the Paper Mario interview, it was about making different versions of existing characters. It seems they are not against it but want to have them only created by the main team so they can manage them more easily.

Also, I wouldn't say it contradicts with their philosophy when they are trying out new things. It's just those new things are usually gameplay related ther than lore related.
 

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It would just be ignoring the legacy and importance of all the other gens by focusing solely on Gen 4.
You act like they don't already neglect other gens when shilling Kanto and Charizard. Reminder that the Johto, Sinnoh, Unova, and Kalos starters never got Mega Evolutions. If GameFreak wants to release Sinnoh remakes,
that will inevitably have the Battle Frontier cut please understand
they will.
 
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It would just be ignoring the legacy and importance of all the other gens by focusing solely on Gen 4. I honestly think that there will be no new mainline Pokemon title in 2021.
Eh, I don't think that's entirely the case. It's something that the fans have been wanting for years. I think giving it to them would be as big of a celebration as any. And since the alternative is nothing but a couple mobile events and Max Raid events, I think something like a Gen 4 remake would make a ton of sense.

EDIT: I do 100% agree with the notion that Pokémon should slow the heck down, but we all know they're not gonna. There's probably not going to be a new generation next year (don't think the anime is done with this one yet), but I think a Gen 2 or 4 remake is all but inevitable for next year.

Were getting Pokemon Gun and your going to like it.
Not enough versions. We'll be getting Pokémon Sword: Director's Cut, and Pokémon Shield: DexWall instead.
 
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Eh, I don't think that's entirely the case. It's something that the fans have been wanting for years. I think giving it to them would be as big of a celebration as any. And since the alternative is nothing but a couple mobile events and Max Raid events, I think something like a Gen 4 remake would make a ton of sense.
No it won't. All it would do is celebrate one piece of the franchise, rather than all of it. That is why a new gen is preferable in terms of an anniversary celebration.
 

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Question: Why is Nintendo so adamant on keeping up Mario's new brand image (such as only having generic designs for characters) if they are known for always taking risks and trying out new things? It seems to contradict Nintendo's traditional blue ocean business philosophy.
I think they're trying to follow in Disney's footsteps by sterilizing the IP and making it as soulless as possible to make casuals more familiar with the series. It makes sense with the new movie and theme park coming out, too.
 
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No it won't. All it would do is celebrate one piece of the franchise, rather than all of it. That is why a new gen is preferable in terms of an anniversary celebration.
I edited this in too late so I'll just say it again:

I do 100% agree with the notion that Pokémon should slow the heck down, but we all know they're not gonna. There's probably not going to be a new generation next year (don't think the anime is done with this one yet), but a major release is all but inevitable given their track record. Thus, a Gen 2 or 4 remake is all almost certain to happen.
 
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Question: Why is Nintendo so adamant on keeping up Mario's new brand image (such as only having generic designs for characters) if they are known for always taking risks and trying out new things? It seems to contradict Nintendo's traditional blue ocean business philosophy.
From what I can gather, they want to keep Mario's image consisted while they do some crazy stuff with the gameplay. No point in making something unique if nobody's going to buy it. Of course, Mario's gonna sell like hotcakes anyways, so yeah...
 

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I edited this in too late so I'll just say it again:

I do 100% agree with the notion that Pokémon should slow the heck down, but we all know they're not gonna. There's probably not going to be a new generation next year (don't think the anime is done with this one yet), but a major release is all but inevitable. Thus a Gen 2 or 4 remake is all almost certain to happen.
And besides, the anime itself no longer focuses on one region. They can easily incorporate the Gen 9 region into the saga.
 

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I think they're trying to follow in Disney's footsteps by sterilizing the IP and making it as soulless as possible to make casuals more familiar with the series. It makes sense with the new movie and theme park coming out, too.
which is funny considering Disney allows the cool Square versions of the Mickey trio exist.
 

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Y'know next year might be the twenty-fifth anniversary of Pokemon but it's also the fifteenth anniversary of Gen 4.

Kill two Starly with one Bonsly
There, FTFY.

Not an important anniversary to celebrate.
GEN IV WAS MY CHILDHOOD IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME OKAY
 
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No it won't. All it would do is celebrate one piece of the franchise, rather than all of it. That is why a new gen is preferable in terms of an anniversary celebration.
A new gen wouldn't celebrate the entire franchise any more than a remake. Any content representing other Gens could easily be placed in either game and fullfill the same purpose. TPC has Let's Go Johto and the the Sinnoh remakes are likely in the oven while their next Gen is being worked on anyways, its not likely we'll get a brand new Generation of Pokemon games this soon anyways. There's usually at least one followup title per Generation be it the 'third version', a sequel, or remake Sword and Shield will likely get some sort of followup before this Generation's over. The DLC isn't going to cut it on its own especially given the extra marketing and merchandising another Gen 8 game will bring. 2022 is more likely for a new Generation imo.
 

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And besides, the anime itself no longer focuses on one region. They can easily incorporate the Gen 9 region into the saga.
I mean they could do that. But the anime also serves to advertise the current generation. Most of the major Pokémon are from gen 8 are they not? I don't think it's all that likely that they'll just shift everything over to a new gen until they've gotten in whatever subplot the legendaries or Dynamax or whatever comes to a close and the movie comes out.

which is funny considering Disney allows the cool Square versions of the Mickey trio exist.
Nintendo allows the odd Super Smash Bros. versions of the main 4 to exist. Seems legit.
 
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