Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[NonSpecificGuy]

Next year is Zelda's 35th anniversary and Pokemon's 25th, so I think we're getting a few commemorative games and a whole lot of weird memorabilia we never knew we wanted.

Pretty sure the Skyward Sword posting was real so we’re at least getting that but I could easily see that packaged with WW&TPHD. Ocarina of Time HD and Majora’s Mask HD based on the 3D versions is the dream though. I would die.

Pokémon’s is all but confirmed though. They’re definitely going to at least do special events in Go and special Pokémon giveaways inside Sword and Shield. They always do. 2021 also marks Pokémon Go’s 5th Anniversary so it’s safe to say next year will likely be stacked.

 

[PLATINUM7]

It's also pretty clear BoTW2 has been delayed from 2020. So I don't know why Nintendo just doesn't come out and say it has been delayed like with MP4. And besides it's more fitting for it be released for the series's 35th anniversary.

There is no delay announcement to make because they haven't listed it as a 2020 release. It's always been TBA in their financial reports.

 

[SharkLord]

i think the rumors hinted at WW HD, TP HD and SS HD

tho i'd love conversions of OoT 3D and MM 3D to Switch too

Yeah, that makes sense. Ocarina and Majora already got remasters on the 3DS, which sold pretty darn well and most likely got quite a bit of purchases. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, on the other hand, were remastered for the Wii U, the system Nintendo is actively trying to make you forget, and Skyward Sword doesn't even have a remaster.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This is like saying "if Nintendo is so hell bent on limiting character designs in Paper Mario why are the spirits of old partners in Smash Ultimate?". Just because things like these get minor acknowledgements instead of being deleted from history doesn't mean they are what Nintendo has in mind going forward.

It's funny that it's ONLY in the context of Geno discussion that people will fight tooth and nail to deny the obvious truth of Nintendo keeping a much tighter leash on what outsiders are allowed to do with the Mario brand and pushing a more sanitized and centralized version of it during the last decade.

Alright, you've convinced me. At this point, I think it's a safe assumption to make that we will not be getting a Super Mario character for DLC. No Captain Toad, no Waluigi, and definitely no Geno. They're done. The latter two aren't characters that Nintendo wants to use going forward or backward (other than Waluigi in the spin-offs because they have to at this point), and Captain Toad has nothing to promote. If he did, we'd have seen him already, especially if all he's promoting is the Super Mario series itself.

It's probably also a safe assumption to make that aside from Xenoblade Chronicles, there aren't any first party series in any sort of position to get a DLC character either. As much as I'd like to see Bandana Waddle Dee, I'm probably kidding myself if I think he's got a shot. Amaterasu has a better shot than him.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I wouldn’t mind Pokémon All Stars, mayhaps featuring “combined” versions of games where all the Pokémon are available. For example, Red+Blue with all version exclusives, Gold+Silver with all version exclusives, etc.

It would never ever ever happen but a "Pokemon Maker" game that let you create your own Pokemon region using gen 3, 4 or 5 tile sets would be unbelievably amazing.

And imagine if they added in sprites for the newer post gen 5 Pokemon.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Yeah, that makes sense. Ocarina and Majora already got remasters on the 3DS, which sold pretty darn well and most likely got quite a bit of purchases. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, on the other hand, were remastered for the Wii U, the system Nintendo is actively trying to make you forget, and Skyward Sword doesn't even have a remaster.

Just saying if they want me to truly forget the Wii U they’d port Xenoblade Chronicles X and also do more Wii and GC remasters

I know the Wii U couldn’t read GC disks but it could read the ISOs from an external HDD. you’d of course need Homebrew Channel for that

 

[SharkLord]

Just saying if they want me to truly forget the Wii U they’d port Xenoblade Chronicles X and also do more Wii and GC remasters

I know the Wii U couldn’t read GC disks but it could read the ISOs from an external HDD. you’d of course need Homebrew Channel for that

One thing at a time. We're obviously not rushing out every port at once; If we were, we'd have Pikmin 3 Deluxe released a while ago. Besides, assuming XCX is the last port to go, it now has the honor of being the Wii U's pallbearer!

Fatal Frame would be a more fitting killer, though, considering the whole ghost theme and all

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

This is like saying "if Nintendo is so hell bent on limiting character designs in Paper Mario why are the spirits of old partners in Smash Ultimate?". Just because things like these get minor acknowledgements instead of being deleted from history doesn't mean they are what Nintendo has in mind going forward.

It's funny that it's ONLY in the context of Geno discussion that people will fight tooth and nail to deny the obvious truth of Nintendo keeping a much tighter leash on what outsiders are allowed to do with the Mario brand and pushing a more sanitized and centralized version of it during the last decade.

Are you arguing that Geno would get a new series icon or would just not be added at all? It’s not you, it’s me lol.

If it’s the former, I don’t think that makes any sense. That’s like saying, “Geno isn’t a Mario character...he’s a Super Mario RPG character!” Which just sounds weird and doesn’t meet the objective of “separating him from mainstream Mario”. It inherently connects him to Mario.

It just seems pretty clear to me that if they didn’t want to draw attention to a non-mainstream Mario character they just wouldn’t add the character.

If it’s the latter, then I think we agree. Though, I really do like Geno as a character. But my main point is this: If Nintendo is choosing DLC, and choosing to celebrate ALL Mario content in Smash Ultimate from November to December, then it makes the most sense to have all Mario content in the game as of the time of the tournament. Just logically, “all Mario characters, stages, items” in a tournament. If Waluigi or Geno were planned then it would make sense to celebrate “all Mario characters, stages, items” with them included as a playable character as planned.

Considering it’s a scheduled tourney, I’m thinking Waluigi or Geno MIGHT be on a timer here. Could very well be wrong, but it doesn’t make much sense by Nintendo’s planning to do it any other way imho.

 

[PSIGuy]

The real reason Geno wasn't added is that Square Enix kept getting really confused that Nintendo wanted to talk to them about Geno but then only showed a picture of a regular Toad and kept referring to it as their new on-brand Geno redesign.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Just saying if they want me to truly forget the Wii U they’d port Xenoblade Chronicles X and also do more Wii and GC remasters

I know the Wii U couldn’t read GC disks but it could read the ISOs from an external HDD. you’d of course need Homebrew Channel for that

Well since Xenoblade X is now the last first party Wii U exclusive that seems likely to be ported to the Switch, Nintendo might have to start porting Wii and Gamecube games to fill software droughts. In fact we are kinda starting to see that with Xenoblade Definitive Edition releasing just a few months ago and 2 thirds of the Mario collection being Wii and Gamecube games. We also got the never ending rumors of the Prime Trilogy coming to the Switch.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

The real reason Geno wasn't added is that Square Enix kept getting really confused that Nintendo wanted to talk to them about Geno but then only showed a picture of a regular Toad and kept referring to it as their new on-brand Geno redesign.

I can believe it.

 

[cosmicB]

The tournament is interesting as to my knowledge, none have been announced so far in advance. Unless I'm mistaken, that also means there hasn't been any characters that had not yet been announced incorporated into an announced tournament. So getting the rough date now, but no further information is already breaking precedent.

What gets me is the character image associated with the advertisement. It's pretty clear cut who is allowed based on the image. Could it be consdiering false advertising if someone will get added later without an indication they will (like there being a question mark box for a potential 10th character or a "viable characters subject to change" disclaimer)? Or is that too much of a catch-22 to indicate something either way?

If a new character associated with Mario is indeed coming, it's almost like the tournament would be advertising that character more than the 35th anniversary. You see it online whenever a new character just comes out. You run into basically no one other than that character for a little while. So the tournament would just be a bunch of Waluigis or Genos or Count Blecks or whatever. I doubt that's what Nintendo would want. So there'd have to be a sizable gap between the character's launch and the tournament.

I guess we'll see, but this is new speculation-bait either way.

 

[I.D.]

Are you arguing that Geno would get a new series icon or would just not be added at all? It’s not you, it’s me lol.

The latter.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Well since Xenoblade X is now the last first party Wii U exclusive that seems likely to be ported to the Switch, Nintendo might have to start porting Wii and Gamecube games to fill software droughts. In fact we are kinda starting to see that with Xenoblade Definitive Edition releasing just a few months ago and 2 thirds of the Mario collection being Wii and Gamecube games. We also got the never ending rumors of the Prime Trilogy coming to the Switch.

I just want my F-Zero GX HD man...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The latter.

Ok cool.

Can we talk about how I totally Jonesposted a response to something that didn’t even exist?

Yikes.

 

[SirBillyBob]

With the announcement of Super Mario 3D World coming to Switch, this is the current state of Wii U ports:

 

[Animegamingnerd]

One of the weirdest parts of the direct was how far off some of the in game events for other games are.

The Smash tournament happening in November and the Splatoon 2 Splatfest happening in January, its strange hear about them now when they are so far off especially the latter.

 

[cosmicB]

I do like how there's always a ton of stuff that simultaneously seems to hurt and help Geno because no one knows what to make of it. Like how a lot of people interpret Sakurai's words on spirit battle changes is supposed to be a point in his favor, but then there's the fact the Min Min spirit battle is still Corrin and Sakurai was specifically speaking in the context of mii costumes, which means the Geno costume coming back would be perfect to replace the spirit batlte that uses Sheik. This tournament is the same thing, where fans seem convinced it means Geno is coming before the tournament, while skeptics think it means the exact opposite for a variety of reasons like already having a concise advertisement and other stuff.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

One of the weirdest parts of the direct was how far off some of the in game events for other games are.

The Smash tournament happening in November and the Splatoon 2 Splatfest happening in January, its strange hear about them now when they are so far off especially the latter.

If those Zelda 35th rumors are true... you think we’ll see a Zelda themed tournament in Smash

and maybe

just maybe

A Zelda-themed Splatfest???

what would be the theme anyway? What vs what?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

One of the weirdest parts of the direct was how far off some of the in game events for other games are.

The Smash tournament happening in November and the Splatoon 2 Splatfest happening in January, its strange hear about them now when they are so far off especially the latter.

They gotta hype people up because there's nothing on the schedule until then.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What gets me is the character image associated with the advertisement. It's pretty clear cut who is allowed based on the image. Could it be consdiering false advertising if someone will get added later without an indication they will (like there being a question mark box for a potential 10th character or a "viable characters subject to change" disclaimer)? Or is that too much of a catch-22 to indicate something either way?

No. It'd still be a tourney with all Super Mario stuff in this hypothetical situation. Besides, who would yell at Nintendo for forecasting a side event in the online part of their game and then adding more Super Mario content to it?

If a new character associated with Mario is indeed coming, it's almost like the tournament would be advertising that character more than the 35th anniversary. You see it online whenever a new character just comes out. You run into basically no one other than that character for a little while. So the tournament would just be a bunch of Waluigis or Genos or Count Blecks or whatever. I doubt that's what Nintendo would want. So there'd have to be a sizable gap between the character's launch and the tournament.

This makes a little more sense, but I don't think it would be something that would stop Nintendo from doing this. The more likely (and almost certain) thing is that there just isn't a Super Mario character that they want to add to the game as DLC.

 

[MooMew64]

Besides IMO another Mario rep simply not fitting the current molds Ultimate DLC has set up so far, I do believe there is something to say about what Scoliosis Jones shared about this tournament affecting a Mario rep's chances. Assuming that they really were planning to add a Mario rep like a few have claimed to celebrate Mario's 35th, one would assume that the character in question would have come with today's news given the announcement of the Smash tourney celebrating the 35th. This is interesting because as Jones said, there isn't much sense in showing all this marketing material to hype up the event and show off all the playable fighters for it now if there was a new Mario character coming, especially with how far out in advance all this Mario 35th stuff seems to be planned for.

To be frank, I do personally think today's news did every Mario candidate's chances a slight blow given the fact Smash was involved with this event. Not saying it is an outright deconfirm, but I think all the candidates could be in a more precarious position than they already were.

 

[SirBillyBob]

If those Zelda 35th rumors are true... you think we’ll see a Zelda themed tournament in Smash

and maybe

just maybe

A Zelda-themed Splatfest???

what would be the theme anyway? What vs what?

The Splatfest would be Wand of Gamelon vs Faces of Evil.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

If those Zelda 35th rumors are true... you think we’ll see a Zelda themed tournament in Smash

and maybe

just maybe

A Zelda-themed Splatfest???

what would be the theme anyway? What vs what?

Toon styled games vs the others.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What vs what?

Courage vs. Wisdom? Light vs. Dark?

 

[cashregister9]

If those Zelda 35th rumors are true... you think we’ll see a Zelda themed tournament in Smash

and maybe

just maybe

A Zelda-themed Splatfest???

what would be the theme anyway? What vs what?

Master Sword or Hylian Shield? maybe

 

[Mushroomguy12]

With the announcement of Super Mario 3D World coming to Switch, this is the current state of Wii U ports:
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It's OK. We have a better Star Fox game on Switch.

 

[cosmicB]

The more likely (and almost certain) thing is that there just isn't a Super Mario character that they want to add to the game as DLC.

Yeah, this is what I want to figure out. This new "evidence" is just another in a long line of unclear things that can mean absolutely nothing, be an actual method to discredit certain characters, or actually be evidence pointing toward a character. I imagine both the Waluigi and Geno fanbases have jumped on the latter, but aren't there more ways to read this as meaning the exact opposite?

It's weird either way.

 

[MooMew64]

One of the weirdest parts of the direct was how far off some of the in game events for other games are.

The Smash tournament happening in November and the Splatoon 2 Splatfest happening in January, its strange hear about them now when they are so far off especially the latter.

I honestly think it just goes to show how messed up Nintendo's 2020 got after everything that's happened.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah, this is what I want to figure out. This new "evidence" is just another in a long line of unclear things that can mean absolutely nothing, be an actual method to discredit certain characters, or actually be evidence pointing toward a character. I imagine both the Waluigi and Geno fanbases have jumped on the latter, but aren't there more ways to read this as meaning the exact opposite?

It's weird either way.

Well, think about it:

• The last remaining characters from the series that could reasonably be added are a Goomba, Geno, Waluigi, King Boo, Fawful, and Captain Toad.
  • They're not going to add a Goomba as paid DLC right after Piranha Plant, who was a free pre-order bonus and got incredibly mixed reactions.
  • They're not going to add Geno, Waluigi, or Fawful, as they do not fit Nintendo's vision for the Super Mario IP.
• Any 1st party character has to be at least somewhat promotional in nature.
  • Captain Toad's only game isn't getting pushed anymore, and there was going to be another one, we'd have seen it.

Given this, it's reasonable to assume that King Boo is the only character that has a shot, as Luigi's Mansion 3 is still relatively new. Is it a game that Nintendo would want to push though? Almost certainly not. It's not that big of a series. If it gets anything, it'll be a Spirit Event, and nothing more.

 

[Thewafflemaker2000]

Next year is Zelda's 35th anniversary and Pokemon's 25th, so I think we're getting a few commemorative games and a whole lot of weird memorabilia we never knew we wanted.

Been waiting so long for a wind waker hd port so what better time. Also more mainline pokemon vc would be nice too. But I suspect a diamond and pearl remake will be the main celebration

 

[Shroob]

At this point, I don't even know what to make of CP7.


Like, it's gotta be this year, right? Are they really gonna put 5 characters into 2021 and just call it a day? Cause like, bruh, this year has been dry as hell for Smash.

2 new characters and 3 stages while great, just isn't enough, and while that eventual dump of new content gushing in will feel fantastic.... that's all next year still, and hell, we still dunno if one day they'll randomly come in and say "We need more time, sorry."

 

[Deleted member]

At this point, I don't even know what to make of CP7.


Like, it's gotta be this year, right? Are they really gonna put 5 characters into 2021 and just call it a day? Cause like, bruh, this year has been dry as hell for Smash.

2 new characters and 3 stages while great, just isn't enough, and while that eventual dump of new content gushing in will feel fantastic.... that's all next year still, and hell, we still dunno if one day they'll randomly come in and say "We need more time, sorry."

To be fair, COVID-19 is rampant and is a world threat right now.

Nintendo does put a warning about dates being altered due to COVID-19.

Still, I am very confident we will get Phoenix Wright CP7 in this month or next month.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

If the next character doesn't get revealed this month I'm willing to just stop waiting for it because it's taken too long. For all we know it was delayed to next year lol

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

At this point, I don't even know what to make of CP7.


Like, it's gotta be this year, right? Are they really gonna put 5 characters into 2021 and just call it a day? Cause like, bruh, this year has been dry as hell for Smash.

2 new characters and 3 stages while great, just isn't enough, and while that eventual dump of new content gushing in will feel fantastic.... that's all next year still, and hell, we still dunno if one day they'll randomly come in and say "We need more time, sorry."

Eh, I wouldn’t get THAT pessimistic.

We have 15 months left, with 5 characters to go. Volume 1 seemed to have 3 months between characters (except for Byleth). With Min Min, it could hypothetically work the same way, which puts a new character coming rather soon.

Then, if amiibo theory holds up we COULD get a character coinciding with that update.

A lot of speculation there, but it’s plausible.

EDIT: sure, it’s 2020. But Sakurai and devs have the resources they need and according to him it hasn’t been set back. He’s also able to straight up record a bunch of stuff from home, so I don’t know that things are mega delayed or something.

 

[Shroob]

If the next character doesn't get revealed this month I'm willing to just stop waiting for it because it's taken too long. For all we know it was delayed to next year lol

Like, Min Min taking extra time for development, I completely understand.

But, was Min Min really their only show in regards to Smash for E3 this year? Like, I know Nintendo dropped out of E3 around March, but to drop out at all, surely they had to have a rough idea of their plans by that point.

 

[cosmicB]

• • They're not going to add Geno, Waluigi, or Fawful, as they do not fit Nintendo's vision for the Super Mario IP.

But what reason do we have to actually believe this? I'll be the first to call out circumstantial evidence in favor of Geno, but this seems just as circumstantial based on things like series icons. I don't think the lack of SMRPG on NSO or any Mario RPGs being absent from the direct is enough to say things one way or the other.

I see there being an announced tournament that presumably isn't subject to change in what it'll advertise as a bigger blow to Mario characters than things that could go either way (not that this can't go either way too, it would just be weird and almost dishonest advertising-wise imo). The only other way I see Mario characters getting added is if it's AFTER this whole big celebration, which would be equally weird and a missed opportunity.

 

[Shroob]

Eh, I wouldn’t get THAT pessimistic.

We have 15 months left, with 5 characters to go. Volume 1 seemed to have 3 months between characters (except for Byleth). With Min Min, it could hypothetically work the same way, which puts a new character coming rather soon.

Then, if amiibo theory holds up we COULD get a character coinciding with that update.

A lot of speculation there, but it’s plausible.

EDIT: sure, it’s 2020. But Sakurai and devs have the resources they need and according to him it hasn’t been set back. He’s also able to straight up record a bunch of stuff from home, so I don’t know that things are mega delayed or something.

Maybe I'm being pessimistic here, but I really just don't see us getting a character this month period.


I'm very aware that the game has to be patched this month since Japan gets the Joker and Hero amiibos around the end of the month, but correct me if I'm wrong, but have we not had mini-patches in the past for Ultimate that added in Amiibo functionality and nothing more?

And to top if off, we now have Smol-field, which seems like they're more than willing to do content updates without characters, and thanks to Smol-field, it does seem like they probably have 2-3 more standalone stages planned.

 

[cosmicB]

Actually, have the tournaments in general incorporated characters released around the same time? Or is it just entirely random? I never really paid attention to them, so I don't know if there's any real consistency with them or their relationship with other dlc content released in close proximity.

 

[ZelDan]

As someone who used to be confident in seeing 3 characters in 2020, yeah I've become skeptical of that weeks ago and could see us only getting CP7 this year and have to wait for the other 4 in 2021.

I really don't think they'll hold off on all 5 remaining characters for 2021 though. That just seems ridiculous, and yes I'm saying this fully aware of how very underwhelming Nintendo has been this year.