Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

I think if Monster Hunter was gonna be in he/she would had been confirmed alongside Rathalos tbh.

 

[Captain Fun]

Is there a stream link, or are they just gonna dump the video out there?

 

[Leotsune]

I think if Monster Hunter was gonna be in he/she would had been confirmed alongside Rathalos tbh.

Yeah, I thought MH was in he moment I saw the ancestral steppe, sadly I was mistaken and a little disappointed, still I'm glad MH has already representation in Smash, for that very reason I don't think MH is getting in now.

Or maybe, just ****ing maybe, people want a character they like in Smash next to huge videogame icons.

I wanted Crash for years and I could not care any less about the freaking bear.

This thing the Smash community has done about forcing a connection between Crash and Banjo fans just to crap on the former is already getting on my nerves.

I think the main reason Banjo is in and not Crash is because a lot of people within the Smash community supported Banjo.
Thats good for Crash, he's the last prominent 90's platformer mascot that's left, and his inclusion would feel totally natural.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Can someone please explain why a lot of people think Crash Bandicoot could get in smash? I haven't seen anything more for him as a character than most other names thrown around. If the only logic is because he is on the switch I don't think that makes him anymore or less of a viable character than the likes of RE, Tales Of.., Doom, etc.

Crash has his reasons. He's an recognizable video game icon to this day and 90's mascot who rivaled Mario and Sonic. Crash who was what to Sony as Mario and Sonic are to Nintendo. His legacy was legendary rivaling them. IIRC Crash sold much more in some way then Mario or Sonic. I'm not sure who but I heard something around those lines.

He's also massively popular in Japan for an western IP.

Personally if any western character after Banjo were to get in it'd be him tbh.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Is there a stream link, or are they just gonna dump the video out there?

Right here:

 

[Sari]

So costume theory is officially dead since we didn't get any of the old SE mii costumes.

 

[Nquoid]

It's kind of hilarious how little that did to affect the speculation scene.

No Geno costume or any returning costumes for that matter. We're literally where we've been since E3 but now Hero is dropping later today.

 

[Just a random scrub]

Going to some other threads, I already see people jumping the gun and calling Hero broken.

At least wait for him to be ****ing playable, god.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Well now it seems the Mii costume theory isn't confirmed after all. The Geno and Chocobo Mii costumes haven't returned and only the Dragon Quest Mii costumes are arriving.

 

[HyruleHero]

I was Legitimately surprised at the amount of music from DQ in the game, with this being the case why do we still only have 2 songs for FF its so infuriating.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I was Legitimately surprised at the amount of music from DQ in the game, with this being the case why do we still only have 2 songs for FF its so infuriating.

I think with FF’s case it’s licensing issues with Nobuo Uematsu

 

[DarthEnderX]

The amount of spells he has access to is ridiculous, but the fact that a lot of them are randomized seems like it's going to severely hurt his playability.

I appreciate the fanservice, but it feels like it might have come at the expense of the character.

 

[KillerCage]

So costume theory is officially dead since we didn't get any of the old SE mii costumes.

I don't think Mii Costume Theory is dead since technically all the new Mii Costumes are from Square Enix. The real issue is that none of the Smash 4 costumes returned. The fact that all of the Mii Costumes in Pack 2 are from Dragon Quest opens up the SMALl possibility that Geno might be a DLC fighter.

 

[Dangthatwasmyapendix]

I feel a problem with some of these popular choices is that Mario's on the box of this game, you can't exactly go too violent. The obvious response is 'but Snake and Bayonetta' but with those characters they were able to strip away that and there was something left, to little johnny playing the game will just see a high tech military guy and a cool witch who fights evil monsters but with say Leon from Resident Evil, I doubt they'd allow bloody, rotting corpses to just hang out with Pikachu (I mean look at the E3 Nintendo direct, there was an ad for a Resident Evil collection and couldn't even show a Zombie) and if you take that away what's left? Just some dude in with a gun and a brown jacket.

 

[Leotsune]

They really give Yamcha a mii costume.
Geno died for this smh.

 

[HyruleHero]

The amount of spells he has access to is ridiculous, but the fact that a lot of them are randomized seems like it's going to severely hurt his playability.

I appreciate the fanservice, but it feels like it might have come at the expense of the character.

I think If Hero ends up being a good character the RNG element will be a fun instant reaction to watch in tournaments. I understand that its not ideal but I'm sure their will be a work around that we'll find at some point. It might not be RNG as well it might just cycle through each list in a loop, which would be manageable.

 

[3BitSaurus]

So, a few first impressions:

- Love how some time was spent explaining stuff about each Hero and their VA. Really nice touch to me.

- Their animations look really good. I do wonder about their competitive playability. Down special is very much like Monado Arts, but randomized for prime DQ fanservice and encapsulating things other than buffs. I think he may end up being too technical to be used much in tournaments (in the sense that few people will be able to play the Heroes in an optimal way).

- That stage is gorgeous holy ****.

- Spirits are... pretty much what had already leaked, plus... Liquid Metal Slime?

- Songs are more numerous than I was expecting. Pretty nice that they were distributed evenly among the four games, too.

- No Chocobo or Geno costumes raise... some questions. They would have completed the same amount we got in the first pack too. I expected Slime Hat and maybe DQI armor, but it's nice that they went all out for the fans. Man, FF really got the short end of the stick...

- No costumes relating to other non-Square RPGs. So we're back to square one with these.

EDIT: Also... where's Homerun Contest!?

 

[Just a random scrub]

Also, no Home Run Contest is weird (unless they somehow forgot to show it off)

 

[perfectchaos83]

I don't think Mii Costume Theory is dead since technically all the new Mii Costumes are from Square Enix. The real issue is that none of the Smash 4 costumes returned. The fact that all of the Mii Costumes in Pack 2 are from Dragon Quest opens up the SMALl possibility that Geno might be a DLC fighter.

Anyone who believes it helps Geno must also believe it Helps Chocobo because they are in the same boat.

 

[Predictabo]

New Final Smash bar option is straight out from the old King of Fighters

 

[Ornl]

The Costume Theory was favorable to Capcom/Bamco. From now on, the chances of Capcom/Bamco should be lowered.
• Phoenix Wright is less important than Monster Hunter and Resident Evil. Monster Hunter is locked. The unique and different gameplay of Resident Evil is far from feasible.
• Tales and Tekken can only be upgrades from Mii Costumes. They have a similar important handicap than the Spirits.

 

[Nquoid]

Can't wait to see people spinning the lack of Square costumes from Smash 4 as proof that Namco and Capcom are less likely now. As if Mii Costume was the only thing that was going for them.

EDIT: The timing of this was a complete accident.

 

[3BitSaurus]

New Final Smash bar option is straight out from the old King of Fighters

There are similarities with other games too, but yeah. Smash borrows more from SNK games that people are aware about.

Can't wait to see people spinning the lack of Square costumes from Smash 4 as proof that Namco and Capcom are less likely now. As if Mii Costume was the only thing that was going for them.

EDIT: The timing of this was a complete accident.

lol

 

[RoboFist]

Going to some other threads, I already see people jumping the gun and calling Hero broken.

At least wait for him to be ****ing playable, god.

Give the kids some time. Little Mac, Cloud, Inkling, Simon, K. Rool, Incineroar, and Joker were all dubbed "broken" after their reveal trailers, and look at them now haha. I really think the randomness of the spells will quiet that crowd pretty quick.

And look, I'm not saying anything one way or another, but...the lack of a Geno Mii costume is fishy...

 

[HyruleHero]

I was just looking through the japanese voice actors of the characters and what they've done. Sakurai Spent a good time talking about Nobuyuki Hiyama who has got a good track record but the last voice actor mentioned, Yuki Kaji is super experienced and is the lead star of many anime. To name a few;

• Eren From Attack on Titan
• Todoroki from My Hero Academia
• Shuu from Guilty Crown
• Issei form Highschool DXD
• Meliodas from Seven Deadly Sins
• Alibaba from Magi

This guys got more leads (in anime) than the other voice actors I feel Sakurai didn't do him justice.

 

[N3ON]

The Costume Theory was favorable to Capcom/Bamco. From now on, the chances of Capcom/Bamco should be lowered.
• Phoenix Wright is less important than Monster Hunter and Resident Evil. Monster Hunter is locked. The unique and different gameplay of Resident Evil is far from feasible.
• Tales and Tekken can only be upgrades from Mii Costumes. They have a similar important handicap than the Spirits.

Ehhh people were predicting a Capcom and/or Namco character long before Costume Theory.

Much of the Namco belief was predicated on the notion of some level of enforced parity, which seems flawed to me (I believe characters are chosen based on themselves or their series, not their company) but it was certainly never totally contingent on the costumes.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Okay, so two things:

1: Do we have a specific time for Hero's release?

2: What is the Classic Mode called? Unlike Joker, the title is in japanese in the video. The first fight seems to reference Slimes, but knowing the title could help a bit. (Wow, I really thought it would be RPG-themed).

 

[PLATINUM7]

Okay, so two things:

1: Do we have a specific time for Hero's release?

2: What is the Classic Mode called? Unlike Joker, the title is in japanese in the video. The first fight seems to reference Slimes, but knowing the title could help a bit. (Wow, I really thought it would be RPG-themed).

1. Anywhere from an hour from now given the release date in the JP video to several hours.

2. idk. I didn't look at that bit

 

[Deleted member]

Going to some other threads, I already see people jumping the gun and calling Hero broken.

At least wait for him to be ****ing playable, god.

Random crits is pretty busted, ngl.

 

[HyruleHero]

Random crits is pretty busted, ngl.

It is only for smash attacks though, they are meant to be hard to land against the pro level players, might be a pain for just casual play though

 

[Us3inMN]

I know a lot of people don't care about it but I feel like the DLC Spirits look a little empty TBH.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Down special is very much like Monado Arts, but randomized for prime DQ fanservice and encapsulating things other than buffs.

Even though randomized spells aren't a thing in DQ, so it's not a very good representation of the series.

I know a lot of people don't care about it but I feel like the DLC Spirits look a little empty TBH.

It's weird that only Eleven gets a group spirit for his party. Four and Eight had iconic parties too!

 

[RileyXY1]

Well, the Mii Costume theory died, as none of the SE Mii Costumes from Smash 4 returned.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Even though randomized spells aren't a thing in DQ, so it's not a very good representation of the series.

I meant in the sense of cramming a lot of spells from DQ in the same character.

To be honest, I thought from the E3 video that all specials would be little menus on their own. Using Zoom from down special seems... a little impractical.

 

[TheCJBrine]

-Dragon Quest is from Enix.
-Geno and Final Fantasy are from Square.
-Geno costume had hype-worthy fanfare, while Chocobo was just another costume piece.
-It seems Square-Enix only likes to allow two songs per game.
-Two SMRPG tracks uploaded by BrawlBRSTMs were taken down by Nintendo, and only two, when warning him. Beware the Forest’s Mushrooms, and Fight Against an Armed Boss (or one of the fight tracks, at least).

Hmm.

at the very least, maybe the Geno costume and Chocobo hat will come back later.

 

[Door Key Pig]

MH songs are in other? Yeah that's pretty much the nail in the coffin, as songs from series listed in Other are unlikely to have a DLC newcomer (RIP Panel de Pon fans...)

Damn, how so? Would that hurt Rhythm Paradise?

 

[Korar]

I'm actually really glad they went for the RNG down special instead of the "4 special moves for each special" thing most people i talked to seemed to think it was, because it would have made hero waaaaay too complex, imo.

Also, i might main one the mii fighters just for the jiggly slime hat.

 

[HyruleHero]

Well, the Mii Costume theory died, as none of the SE Mii Costumes from Smash 4 returned.

I didn't think Mii costume theory was linked to the costumes but the companies, I could be wrong though.

 

[RileyXY1]

However, I do not think that the death of the Mii Costume theory lowers the chances of a Capcom or Namco Bandai character getting in.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Going to some other threads, I already see people jumping the gun and calling Hero broken.

Considering most of it's spells are random and take a bit longer to execute I highly doubt that will be the case. RNG does seem to be in his favor though (very few of his spells are outright bad) so he might be quite good. I guarantee you no competitive player will use Hocus Pocus on purpose. lol

Even though randomized spells aren't a thing in DQ, so it's not a very good representation of the series.

It is in the sense that a lot of the spells are shown off. Though it is not a design choice I would have gone with.

I'm actually really glad they went for the RNG down special instead of the "4 special moves for each special" thing most people i talked to seemed to think it was, because it would have made hero waaaaay too complex, imo.

Also, i might main one the mii fighters just for the jiggly slime hat.

You might be right.

And yes the Slime hat is glorious.