Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SirCamp]

Sackboy seems like the current face of Sony to you?

To be fair I've never even heard of Gravity Rush before. Let alone Kat. And I do know of Sackboy. Banjo is certainly not the current face of Microsoft so that doesn't necessarily have to factor in.

Granted this is of course a different case. And Sony is probably more likely than Microsoft to want a current face of their brand to be in Smash if we were to get one, but honestly I think that's just more reason to think that Sony won't be getting a character at all to begin with. Considering how awful they have been when it comes to crossplay I highly doubt we'll be seeing anything from them at all. In fact if we did, it might even be a benefit if it were a noncurrent character for them, since it wouldn't impact their brand and might be seen as a passive way for them monetize one of their old properties that they aren't currently making use of.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

I think people are really sleeping on Reimu.
While I don't think she is in the FP, I believe she was at least on the table when Nintendo decided the DLC lineup.
Touhou fangames were doing pretty good at that time. Kobuto V placed in 2nd right after Mario Odyssey on the e-shop rankings. TODR got an award alongside Undertale and came to switch with special trestments. These happened at the end of 2017, so right before Nintendo tells Sakurai about the DLC plans.
And now Touhou official AoCF coming to switch, and other titles too like Luna Nights. Seems like Nintendo is really trying to gather Touhou fans on switch.
Also Reimu can appeal to Asian countries other than Japan. Yeah, SNK is better pick, but I can see Sakurai going for her simply because of gameplay mechanics she could bring in smash.

 

[TheYungLink]

All my friends love Touhou so I'd enjoy Reimu's inclusion solely on secondhand hype. And they're a character with a lot of history behind them too, as well as being one of the frontrunners of the shmup genre, especially in Japan.

 

[Nquoid]

Touhou fangames were doing pretty good at that time. Kobuto V placed in 2nd right after Mario Odyssey on the e-shop rankings..

Looks like this was only for one week though, it has a pretty steady decline and by the end of November it's dropped to 16th, whilst Mario Odyssey is still in the top 3. And then the first half of 2018 it's only at #27 for digital sales.

I've said it before, Touhou certainly has a dedicated and passionate fan base, but the sales of the games don't seem to set the world on fire, and it doesn't seem to appeal to people outside of the Touhou crowd. Especially when you consider the games are still mostly tied to PCs and I'm not sure if her being a dlc character is enough to sell someone on an entire system.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I literally had never even heard of Touhou or anything relating to it before the last year. I don't think it's as big of a deal as some make it out to be. But this is just from my perspective from when I first heard of it until now.

 

[Flyboy]

Reimu would be fantastic. My friends and I started entertaining the possibility as a joke at first but she really would bring amazing music and fun mechanics in Smash, and she's one of the biggest indy characters ever along with Quote.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So Doom 1-3 got a Switch release... I’d like to think this was the “exciting news for Doom fans” that Bethesda teased. In my unpopular opinion, if we WERE to get Doom Slayer, we’d have a character announcement to coincide with it, but I guess not.

And yes I know Joker and Banjo don’t have tie in releases per se (even though Joker has Scramble coming to Switch) but I guess my point is. Sometimes a game release is just a game release.

 

[UberPyro64]

Spoiler

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Yep. Every main Doom game is now on Switch.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Not to damper on people's hopes or come across being a **** but games being released on Switch = #Automaticconformance4Smash.

 

[Nquoid]

So Doom 1-3 got a Switch release... I’d like to think this was the “exciting news for Doom fans” that Bethesda teased. In my unpopular opinion, if we WERE to get Doom Slayer, we’d have a character announcement to coincide with it, but I guess not.

And yes I know Joker and Banjo don’t have tie in releases per se (even though Joker has Scramble coming to Switch) but I guess my point is. Sometimes a game release is just a game release.

Did we get a time frame on when that Nintendo news from Bethesda would happen? I can't remember if they told us to pay attention to a certain event or month.

I don't think this is a confirmation either way, but it's certainly an interesting development.

[EDIT: I'm an idiot, Quakecon is on at the moment so that's 100% where it was supposed to be announced]

 

[UberPyro64]

Not to damper on people's hopes or come across being a **** but games being released on switch = #Automateconformance4Smash.

I think it makes it very likely. With both Doom and Resident Evil having most of their games on Switch, I definitely think it's likely that they're coming to Smash.

Remember, they didn't announce Hero during that big Dragon Quest segment either.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I think it makes it very likely. With both Doom and Resident Evil having most of their games on Switch, I definitely think it's likely that they're coming to Smash.

Remember, they didn't announce Hero during that big Dragon Quest segment either.

Does that mean Scorpion is confirmed too then since MK11 came out on the Switch?

 

[UberPyro64]

Does that mean Scorpion is confirmed too then since MK11 came out on the Switch?

MK didn't get every main game in its series on Switch did it now?

Also, it's been banned in Japan since like MK2.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Did we get a time frame on when that Nintendo news from Bethesda would happen? I can't remember if they told us to pay attention to a certain event or month.

I don't think this is a confirmation either way, but it's certainly an interesting development.

I don’t think so. If they did I don’t recall.

Either way I personally don’t think much of it. After all, Capcom did say the only way Dante would be in Smash would be if a DMC game were on Switch. DMC1 is on Switch now, but still nothing Smash wise...

 

[UberPyro64]

I don’t think so. If they did I don’t recall.

Either way I personally don’t think much of it. After all, Capcom did say the only way Dante would be in Smash would be if a DMC game were on Switch. DMC1 is on Switch now, but still nothing Smash wise...

The difference was, it was only one game. And it likely shows they're just testing the waters.

Doom and Resident Evil big chunk of their games on Switch.

 

[HyruleHero]

I think it makes it very likely. With both Doom and Resident Evil having most of their games on Switch, I definitely think it's likely that they're coming to Smash.

Remember, they didn't announce Hero during that big Dragon Quest segment either.

There are a lot of character options that fit a the mold of 'Games coming to the Switch" with only two characters left if it is one of them then we are looking at:

• Resident Evil (RE1 through to RE7 are all on the switch)
  • Jill or Leon
• Doom (Doom 1-3 and the reboots are now on switch)
  • DoomSlayer
• Digimon (Cyber Sleuth, originally a psvita/ps4 game is now on switch with a new game coming next year)
  • Agumon
• Touhou Project (many Touhou Games are on Switch and sell well)
  • Reimu
• Crash Bandicoot (the N'sane Trilogy and Crash Team Racing are on Switch)
• Spyro (I believe the reignited Trilogy is coming to the Switch soon)

There are probably many more franchises that fit this bill but I can't think of them now. Sure the collection makes them a more likely choice but many games have this treatment on the switch.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

There are a lot of character options that fit a the mold of 'Games coming to the Switch" with only two characters left if it is one of them then we are looking at:

• Resident Evil (RE1 through to RE7 are all on the switch)
  • Jill or Leon
• Doom (Doom 1-3 and the reboots are now on switch)
  • DoomSlayer
• Digimon (Cyber Sleuth, originally a psvita/ps4 game is now on switch with a new game coming next year)
  • Agumon
• Touhou Project (many Touhou Games are on Switch and sell well)
  • Reimu
• Crash Bandicoot (the N'sane Trilogy and Crash Team Racing are on Switch)
• Spyro (I believe the reignited Trilogy is coming to the Switch soon)

There are probably many more franchises that fit this bill but I can't think of them now. Sure the collection makes them a more likely choice but many games have this treatment on the switch.

Likewise on the flip side, Joker was announced LONG BEFORE Persona 5 Scramble on Switch, and Banjo was announced when he didn’t have ANY B-K games on Switch; heck his games might even remain Microsoft exclusive during his Smash tenure. Might.

 

[HyruleHero]

Likewise on the flip side, Joker was announced LONG BEFORE Persona 5 Scramble on Switch, and Banjo was announced when he didn’t have ANY B-K games on Switch; heck his games might even remain Microsoft exclusive during his Smash tenure. Might.

I think a non use of Banjo after his smash reveal reaction would be a poor use of marketing on both Nintendo and Microsoft's side. I expect something so these companies can make more money off it even if it is just a rare replay port.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

MK didn't get every main game in its series on Switch did it now?

Also, it's been banned in Japan since like MK2.

Crash? Agumon? Reimu? Spyro?

All games that also came out on Switch. Does that make them automatic confirmances too?

As Rie said as well. Persona wasn't confirmed for Switch before Joker's announcement and Banjo hadn't been active since for like a decade prior to his reveal.

 

[Will]

MK didn't get every main game in its series on Switch did it now?

so you're saying jill valentine and doomguy

Also, it's been banned in Japan since like MK2.

"Banned" isn't the same as "won't be released". Do you think Mother 3 is banned in America?

 

[Nquoid]

"Banned" isn't the same as "won't be released". Do you think Mother 3 is banned in America?

No, but considering there was a rumoured Mother 3 translation happening that got dropped because they realised how difficult it would be to localise without some negative buzz

"was full steam ahead for a while but upon re-evaluation there were aspects of the game that weren't going to go without controversy"

So both games aren't coming out for cultural reasons. It's not a ban per se, but because both titles would be controversial regardless

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

"Banned" isn't the same as "won't be released". Do you think Mother 3 is banned in America?

I think it's the difference between can't and won't. Mother 3 won't be released in America due to the hard work it would require and controversy it would spark (the shrooms scene and Majypsies come to mind). Mortal Kombat 11 can't be released in Japan because the law says so.

 

[Will]

I think it's the difference between can't and won't. Mother 3 won't be released in America due to the hard work it would require and controversy it would spark (the shrooms scene and Majypsies come to mind). Mortal Kombat 11 can't be released in Japan because the law says so.

NR and WB don't seem to have any interest in marketing East at all. If they censor content, it can easily go through CERO again, but they never really tried to push it even back in the beginning. The last game Japan got was Trilogy, before CERO came into play.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Not to damper on people's hopes or come across being a **** but games being released on Switch = #Automaticconformance4Smash.

But it doesn't NOT mean that either.

I literally had never even heard of Touhou or anything relating to it before the last year. I don't think it's as big of a deal as some make it out to be. But this is just from my perspective from when I first heard of it until now.

I think it's one of those things that's popular in Japan, but it's even more unknown in the west than Dragon Quest is.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

NR and WB don't seem to have any interest in marketing East at all. If they censor content, it can easily go through CERO again, but they never really tried to push it even back in the beginning. The last game Japan got was Trilogy, before CERO came into play.

It could also be a creator's intent thing. From what I understand the one Mortal Kombat game that did have a censored setting also allowed you to turn it off.

 

[yeet123]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46j-lELtgmw

VR Plant says, "Hero soon..."

 

[TheCJBrine]

I think it's the difference between can't and won't. Mother 3 won't be released in America due to the hard work it would require and controversy it would spark (the shrooms scene and Majypsies come to mind).

It sure does suck that Mother 3 is somehow the game that causes controversy over the years of kids playing “worse” games.

Screw controversy, Nintendo should just tell whoever would actually throw a fit to deal with it. Not like any smart person would riot over it.

But meh, I already own a patched cartridge anyway...just would be nice if they released it officially on Switch or sumthin’...

 

[Izanagi97]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46j-lELtgmw

VR Plant says, "Hero soon..."

Welp, this is gonna be fun.

 

[UberPyro64]

There are a lot of character options that fit a the mold of 'Games coming to the Switch" with only two characters left if it is one of them then we are looking at:

• Resident Evil (RE1 through to RE7 are all on the switch)
  • Jill or Leon
• Doom (Doom 1-3 and the reboots are now on switch)
  • DoomSlayer
• Digimon (Cyber Sleuth, originally a psvita/ps4 game is now on switch with a new game coming next year)
  • Agumon
• Touhou Project (many Touhou Games are on Switch and sell well)
  • Reimu
• Crash Bandicoot (the N'sane Trilogy and Crash Team Racing are on Switch)
• Spyro (I believe the reignited Trilogy is coming to the Switch soon)

There are probably many more franchises that fit this bill but I can't think of them now. Sure the collection makes them a more likely choice but many games have this treatment on the switch.

I think Crash is in the top 5 most likely. I think Digimon is the issue of not being a game first (being Tamagotchi toys). And Reimu is way too niche. Spyro would also obviously not happen before Crash.

For multiple reasons, I think Doom Slayer, Jill/Leon, Ryu Hayabusa, Heihachi Mishima, and Crash Bandicoot are the top 5. Though Heihachi and Crash I'd rank on a lower tier.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46j-lELtgmw

VR Plant says, "Hero soon..."

Pretty vague, still thinking EVO which is still “pretty soon”

 

[Deleted member]

Regarding Doom, the games were released on PS4 and Xbone alongside the Switch version.

https://gematsu.com/2019/07/doom-do...e-and-switch-doom-and-doom-ii-for-smartphones

I literally had never even heard of Touhou or anything relating to it before the last year. I don't think it's as big of a deal as some make it out to be. But this is just from my perspective from when I first heard of it until now.

Speculation surely lets you learn about a lot of characters isn't it?

It would be funny to see which characters are unheard of by the Japanese fandom.

It sure does suck that Mother 3 is somehow the game that causes controversy over the years of kids playing “worse” games.

Screw controversy, Nintendo should just tell whoever would actually throw a fit to deal with it. Not like any smart person would riot over it.

But meh, I already own a patched cartridge anyway...just would be nice if they released it officially on Switch or sumthin’...

Cultural differences can make a lot of the content controversial depending on the culture we are talking about. Its sad but not everyone is open to accept cultural differences easily especially on certain topics.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Cultural differences can make a lot of the content controversial depending on the culture we are talking about. Its sad but not everyone is open to accept cultural differences easily especially on certain topics.

You’re right, though I still find it dumb.

Mother 3 doesn’t even seem that bad, besides maybe one or two characters (I don’t really see why the Magypsies would be bad) they could change easily, though I guess Fassad’s actions towards Salsa could be a problem despite Salsa being freed and treated kindly by Kumatora...

The mushroom scene, besides having darker tones, doesn’t seem much worse than some stuff in other games...honestly I think it could get away with a T rating.

But I guess cultural differences alone would still cause some of this stuff to be controversial, even if the same could be said for other games...and, well, I don’t see why they couldn’t try to understand the cultural difference (they’re basically gonna be hating other people as well with that pathetic reasoning), but there are at least a few dumb jerks nearly everywhere of course...

But what does culture have to do with eating wild mushrooms...? And we already have stuff in the past two games that was fine or could be changed in localization; oh well, I don’t know everything...

 

[RileyXY1]

I think Crash is in the top 5 most likely. I think Digimon is the issue of not being a game first (being Tamagotchi toys). And Reimu is way too niche. Spyro would also obviously not happen before Crash.

For multiple reasons, I think Doom Slayer, Jill/Leon, Ryu Hayabusa, Heihachi Mishima, and Crash Bandicoot are the top 5. Though Heihachi and Crash I'd rank on a lower tier.

Actually, Digimon could be seen as having debuted in a game. The V-Pets were referred to as "LCD games" at one point, I remember someone mentioning that.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

The Dokm games are very popular. Doom Eternal is coming soon. Of course they'd report the other 3 Doom games to be consoles.

Cultural differences can make a lot of the content controversial depending on the culture we are talking about. Its sad but not everyone is open to accept cultural differences easily especially on certain topics.

The Earthbound and Mother series was never unreleased because of cultural differences. Japan has different music laws than us. They can sample music as kuch as they want for games as long as it's not a Direct rip. Earthbound did that for Johnny B. Goode off the top of my head but getting rights for that song is probably far easier than the songs they sampled for Mother 3.

Nintendo could get sued really ****ing hard if these rights aren't settled out before a Western release. Which is why it's taken so long.

 

[TheCJBrine]

The Dokm games are very popular. Doom Eternal is coming soon. Of course they'd report the other 3 Doom games to be consoles.


The Earthbound and Mother series was never unreleased because of cultural differences. Japan has different music laws than us. They can sample music as kuch as they want for games as long as it's not a Direct rip. Earthbound did that for Johnny B. Goode off the top of my head but getting rights for that song is probably far easier than the songs they sampled for Mother 3.

Nintendo could get sued really ****ing hard if these rights aren't settled out before a Western release. Which is why it's taken so long.

Some stuff should be okay because of Fair Use if the sample is very short, and old arrangements like Beethoven’s are obvious, but yeah there’s probably some big problems with some music otherwise. At least it’s not because of controversial crap that can easily be changed in some cases or only cause a problem for people that likely don’t actually care or don’t even play games yet caught word. Really though, there are already other games they could be complaining about yet Mother 3 being what ticks them off...?

...oh, now I’m imagining PETA making a misinformed statement regarding Salsa...

 

[andree123]

The spirits in the Hero's spirit board are leaked.

Spoiler

https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_golem.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_dracky.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_slime.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_king_slime.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_cetacea.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_killer_panther.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_baby_panther.png
Not sure that is all we're going to get.

 

[Izanagi97]

The spirits in the Hero's spirit board are leaked.

Spoiler

https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_golem.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_dracky.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_slime.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_king_slime.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_cetacea.png
Not sure that is all we're going to get.

Welp, things are definitely getting interesting

 

[Nemuresu]

The spirits in the Hero's spirit board are leaked.

Spoiler

https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_golem.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_dracky.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_slime.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_king_slime.png
https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_cetacea.png
Not sure that is all we're going to get.

Is it bad that I find these spirits to be already more Square content than Final Fantasy?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Ah so that's why I haven't gotten a Mother 3 battle medley in smash yet. That's too bad.

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

Is it bad that I find these spirits to be already more Square content than Final Fantasy?

yes, yes it is,
And on a side note why is Square-Enix being so restrictive with when comes to smash(Compare to other third party studios).