Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Rie Sonomura]

hmmm


i wonder if anyone has found anything of interest after a datamine

also new POTD. still no event yet tho

1995年のきょう『スーパーマリオ ヨッシーアイランド』発売!! pic.twitter.com/q7zZ9twq34

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 5, 2020

 

[MooMew64]

hmmm


i wonder if anyone has found anything of interest after a datamine

also new POTD. still no event yet tho

1995年のきょう『スーパーマリオ ヨッシーアイランド』発売!! pic.twitter.com/q7zZ9twq34

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 5, 2020

I don't think we're gonna get datamines. They've been cleaning the files super well since Hero leaked.

TBH I don't think we're gonna see anything more from this pass get leaked unless it's done in a way that wasn't even noticed until after the reveal like with Min Min.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hey, what if...

Ahaha since we’re shadowdropping stages in Smash now... 😳 pic.twitter.com/lRivDkOXvS

— 👑𝔻𝕚𝕤𝕔𝕠𝕣𝕕𝔹𝕠𝕪👑 (@DiscordReturns) August 5, 2020

...nah, just kidding...

Unless?

also I think we’re so getting a boss rush mode. I know Sakurai said home run was basically the last mode, but dude changes his mind all the time

 

[ZelDan]

hmmm


i wonder if anyone has found anything of interest after a datamine

also new POTD. still no event yet tho

1995年のきょう『スーパーマリオ ヨッシーアイランド』発売!! pic.twitter.com/q7zZ9twq34

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 5, 2020

Looks like Burt the Bashful's friend is much more okay with being pantsless.

 

[WaddleMatt]

also I think we’re so getting a boss rush mode. I know Sakurai said home run was basically the last mode, but dude changes his mind all the time

I really want this to happen, maybe with some new bosses too or bringing some of the older ones back? That's asking for way too much though, lol.

 

[Aetheri]

I really want this to happen, maybe with some new bosses too or bringing some of the older ones back? That's asking for way too much though, lol.

Rayquaza deserves more than just being a stage hazard! Forever locked behind the "Stage Hazard Toggle Off"

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I really want this to happen, maybe with some new bosses too or bringing some of the older ones back? That's asking for way too much though, lol.

They may not bring Tabuu back sadly

but it’s a given Galeem and Dharkon will be part of said boss rush

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

also I think we’re so getting a boss rush mode. I know Sakurai said home run was basically the last mode, but dude changes his mind all the time

The way he worded it, it was more like "probably". He didn't outright say we will not add any more modes, just that no more are planned as is.

I wouldn't count on it, but I never thought we'd get any kind of extra stage either. So... slight possibility, I guess.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Hey, what if...

Spoiler: Media

Ahaha since we’re shadowdropping stages in Smash now... 😳 pic.twitter.com/lRivDkOXvS

— 👑𝔻𝕚𝕤𝕔𝕠𝕣𝕕𝔹𝕠𝕪👑 (@DiscordReturns) August 5, 2020

...nah, just kidding...

Unless?

also I think we’re so getting a boss rush mode. I know Sakurai said home run was basically the last mode, but dude changes his mind all the time

"In a two player match, the battle against Galleem and Dharkon shifts. Defeating Player 1 gives Galeem the advantage, and defeating Player 2 gives Dharkon the advantage."

EDIT: Oh man. Imagine a stage who's layout would look completely different when one player is winning verses when the other player is winning. That'd be so cool.

 

[SharkLord]

Well then.

Small Battlefield.

And you can play Megalovania on it.

Nice.

 

[Perkilator]

I really want this to happen, maybe with some new bosses too or bringing some of the older ones back? That's asking for way too much though, lol.

In which case, here's some bosses I was thinking for a rerelease:

Porky
Yellow Devil
Metal Face
Dark Emperor

 

[Icedragonadam]

Considering we didn't get an announcement for a spirit event on the JP Smash Twitter, it'll probably be in the news feed in the game in 3 hours. Which probably means another series getting disconfirmed for DLC.

 

[BZocky]

characters that got downsized for smash when small battlefield was added

Spoiler

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Rayquaza deserves more than just being a stage hazard! Forever locked behind the "Stage Hazard Toggle Off"

What about Porky! Didn't even get a spirit...

 

[SharkLord]

Assuming Small Battlefield isn't just a one-off, I think a solo Minecraft stage would be pretty cool, assuming we're not getting Steve?. A Celeste stage would be pretty cool too, but that's a lot less likely. Still, some DLC stages would be pretty interesting.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Assuming Small Battlefield isn't just a one-off, I think a solo Minecraft stage would be pretty cool, assuming we're not getting Steve?. A Celeste stage would be pretty cool too, but that's a lot less likely. Still, some DLC stages would be pretty interesting.

Celeste is one of the few games which I tjink would be much better off for not getting a playable character so hell ****ing yes at just a stage and music

 

[SharkLord]

Celeste is one of the few games which I tjink would be much better off for not getting a playable character so hell ****ing yes at just a stage and music

Confronting Myself or bust.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Confronting Myself or bust.

Just put the entire OST on it including the alternative tracks, Celeste is a ****ing magical game I think everyone should play, writing was so good that there's one line I'll never forget that made me ****ing pause for like 10 seconds

 

[Powerman293]

I would LOVE a World of Light Expansion. I think there's enough Spirits that weren't in that mode and that have been added to the game since launch in order to make another smaller map like the FInal Battle or Dracula's Castle.

 

[ZelDan]

I don't really see Celeste getting content at all in Smash, but I'd love to be wrong and see some music from that game in Smash.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

On the topic of indie games, I wonder when, if not in Ultimate, an indie character will get into Smash as a playable character. I know indie games aren't triple A mainstream games, but I don't believe indie games are "lesser games" at all, so it'd be jarring if Nintendo were out to gate-keep indie characters. I bring this up because a lot of good indie candidates are already "deconfirmed" if certain fan-rules are true.

 

[Perkilator]

On the topic of indie games, I wonder when, if not in Ultimate, an indie character will get into Smash as a playable character. I know indie games aren't triple A mainstream games, but I don't believe indie games are "lesser games" at all, so it'd be jarring if Nintendo were out to gate-keep indie characters. I bring this up because a lot of good indie candidates are already "deconfirmed" if certain fan-rules are true.

Speaking of which, what’s people’s beef with indies getting a rep, anyways?

 

[7NATOR]

On the topic of indie games, I wonder when, if not in Ultimate, an indie character will get into Smash as a playable character. I know indie games aren't triple A mainstream games, but I don't believe indie games are "lesser games" at all, so it'd be jarring if Nintendo were out to gate-keep indie characters. I bring this up because a lot of good indie candidates are already "deconfirmed" if certain fan-rules are true.

I don't think Nintendo is Gate-Keeping indies

I just think that the potential Indie reps either have certain things against them, or just out-Prioritized by other Established franchises that have more merit to their inclusion

I also think a Big part is a lack of Legacy as well. Reimu and Shantae are the only Popular Indies that have been around for awhile. Sans, Shovel Knight, and Cuphead are popular, but they have really on been part of one game, they are getting expansions, but it's just one game currently

If you look at all the 3rd Parties we got, The only real recent 3rd Party characters are Bayonetta, Joker, and Luminary. Bayonetta became almost like a Nintendo Franchise with Nintendo Publishing the 2nd Bayonetta game, and Joker and Luminary are just the recent Protags of a long standing Series.

Not to say it's impossible for Indies or even recent 3rd parties to get in. I just say that this might hurt their chances, but they shouldn't be counted out. There are other merits to consider after all

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Speaking of which, what’s people’s beef with indies getting a rep, anyways?

Indie games aren't real games therefore whenever an indie game has excellent writing on sensitive topics it gets ignored while we praise literal torture porn with ****ty writing for being so progressive by having a trans character get beaten up for being trans because a game only has effort in it if the budget was like 50 million

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

The fact that Nintendo will just shadow drop a new update with a new stage and more user friendly options as well as online adjustments is such a Nintendo thing to do and, I’m not going to lie, I kinda live for it.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Speaking of which, what’s people’s beef with indies getting a rep, anyways?

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like indie games has some kind of stigma. I think it's because 8 or so years when indie games were first being pushed, a lot of them were not of good quality, and a lot just being clones of other games like the dozens of Minecraft clones that used to be all over the XBLA. They were all pushed as indie games.

But ever since then the bar has been raised tenfold. I'd 90% of the indie games that come out now are of high quality and attract a lot of attention. Undertale, Celeste, Cup Head, Stardew Valley, Shantae, Shovel Knight, Hollow Knight, etc., etc.

Indie games are ****ing awesome and I'd kill to see them acknowledged and on the level of big leagues like Mario and Cloud. They are apart of gaming history.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

This shadow-drop soft confirms and disconfirms two things for me.

Confirm: That the Smash Team is a bit ahead of the rest of Nintendo and have some extra dev time
Disconfirm: That they have enough time to add an extra Echo. They mentioned they wanted to give every stage a Small battlefield mode but didn't have the time or resources.

But the important part is we can now play Megalovania on Final Desination.

 

[cashregister9]

On the topic of indie games, I wonder when, if not in Ultimate, an indie character will get into Smash as a playable character. I know indie games aren't triple A mainstream games, but I don't believe indie games are "lesser games" at all, so it'd be jarring if Nintendo were out to gate-keep indie characters. I bring this up because a lot of good indie candidates are already "deconfirmed" if certain fan-rules are true.

I think they totally should add a full playable indie I think it is a matter of who to add though, Whoever gets added would indirectly be the face of Indie games for awhile so the character needs to have a legacy or impact of some sort, Reimu & Shantae are the first 2 that come to mind on who could be the "Indie All-Star"

They mentioned they wanted to give every stage a Small battlefield mode but didn't have the time or resources.

I think the reason they couldn't add the Small Battlefield versions of each stage is because they would essentially need to make an entirely new stage for each stage in the game and then some. So it might not have been time effective to do that with all 100-ish stages. It might be considered time effective to work on an entirely new character/echo though, that last part is entirely me being way to hopeful/naive.

 

[snowgolem]

If you guys could compare Neku Sakuraba’s chances and popularity with one character, who would it be?
I personally think Reimu, but want to get an outside opinion.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If you guys could compare Neku Sakuraba’s chances and popularity with one character, who would it be?
I personally think Reimu, but want to get an outside opinion.

I think his changes are on par with any non-Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest Square protagonist (Outside of the legal nightmare that is Sora) so I'd compare him to Crono and Anges.

 

[snowgolem]

I think his changes are on par with any non-Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest Square protagonist (Outside of the legal nightmare that is Sora) so I'd compare him to Crono and Anges.

Lara Croft?? 2B?!
Nah, just kidding, i’m not that nitpicky. Your comparison seems about right. Thanks!

 

[N3ON]

This shadow-drop soft confirms and disconfirms two things for me.

Confirm: That the Smash Team is a bit ahead of the rest of Nintendo and have some extra dev time

What? You can't judge how punctual a release is when we don't know anything about Smash's internal schedule. For all we know this stage was intended to release a month ago.

Disconfirm: That they have enough time to add an extra Echo. They mentioned they wanted to give every stage a Small battlefield mode but didn't have the time or resources.

I mean at the best of times getting bonus echoes was unchecked idealism.

 

[-crump-]

The Spirit rematch feature added in the last patch along with the random new stage shadowdrop have slightly restored my foolish hope that we might get the return of Boss Battles some day. At the very least, it shows the Smash team isn’t just slaving over the Fighter Pass, so maaaaaybe...?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Speaking of which, what’s people’s beef with indies getting a rep, anyways?

It's not if it's an indie character I want.

See: Shantae, Shovel Knight (*in the past), Reimu, Quote

But if I don't want them then they're an obscure nobody who has no chance compared to my character X! Who is much more likely because of a, b, and c contrived reasons! They're not even worth considering really. So how about we talk about my character, yeah?

 

[Mamboo07]

Ever notice all these "leaks" keep using the same characters every's always hearing about? Funny how the mass majority of them are never true either.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Ever notice all these "leaks" keep using the same characters every's always hearing about? Funny how the mass majority of them are never true either.

Then there's one that has a character that everyone tries to shut down but just keeps on coming.

 

[cashregister9]

Calling it now this Small Battlefield update was made to tie us over until the next full direct which won't be until late September or early October at least.

 

[ceterisparibus]

Indie games are real and actual games, equally on par with AAA games in terms of quality and enjoyment and deserving of representation in smash.

My only "issue" with it is that if Undertale/Cuphead/Shovel Knight didn't get to playability status in Ultimate then i doubt any indie character has the clout and popularity of the latter to be 1 of our 5 remaining characters.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Calling it now this Small Battlefield update was made to tie us over until the next full direct which won't be until late September or early October at least.

We've had 3.1.0 just before the E3 Direct, so it is possible for them to do a direct a few weeks later with the character coming out much later.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Calling it now this Small Battlefield update was made to tie us over until the next full direct which won't be until late September or early October at least.

I mean...

Did we honestly expect more than two, MAYBE three, characters this year when the end date is December of NEXT year?