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If promotion came into play, I feel Nintendo would want to "promote" third parties based on iconic status or game quality, first and foremost. Draconian Nintendo from the 80s/90s may have thought differently... but not the current, new administration.
Again, I don't know how you figure that, but it doesn't matter to me either way, because extreme violence is not the only thing barring Doomguy in my mind.
Yeah, ultimately, they ended up focusing on characterization through gameplay mechanics rather than the more violent or risqué aspects. Which... works just fine to me. I'm all for different aesthetics in Smash, even if toned down.
They're stylized. That means they don't try to be realistic. They're purposefully over the top or cartoonish about it to a point where it's difficult to take seriously, and anyone can recognize that.
With games like Doom and Halo, you cannot "focus" on any other aspects without completely throwing away what makes them appealing for so many people.
If you'd opened the Persona spoiler, I think you'd stop saying Persona's violence is "cartoony and stylized."
I mean from what Opossum said there’s at least a couple of messed up things regarding Joker.
The violence in Halo and Doom are completely different. The most realistic thing about Halo's gunplay are the sound effects. Which are identical to sound effects used in games like Metal Gear Solid.
Dunno... reducing Halo and Doom to just those aspects is pretty much ignoring the legacy those series have.
What exactly is spoiled? A boss? The final boss? A plot detail? Depending on what it is, I might not care and would be able to check it.
...Yes.
And the graphics, and the first person perspective, and the physics engine, and the tone...
I never said "all FPS." I specifically acknowledged Metroid Prime as an acceptable example because of its LACK of realism and violence.
So you see my point that ratings are arbitrary and don't mean anything. It's the content that matters.
I haven't called anyone an idiot, so I'm not sure why you'd make that assumption.
And I never ONCE said that it was. Not one time.
The tone of Halo is definitely not realistic. The physics also aren't realistic. Halo is a game where you fight space aliens and half the weapon set is made up of completely unrealistic weaponry.
You realize that just because something is science fiction doesn't mean the writers can't try their best to make it SEEM realistic?
It's not what I think, it's what I know. I don't even think it's a matter of opinion.
I don't know about that one, man. Todd Howard would like a word, maybe to ask you to buy Skyrim for the 27th time.
Funny, everything you just said is a reason why I don't think he's happening.
i dont think it's opposite day yet
Hoooooooooooo boy.
These summoning methods are presented in a stylized way that isn't shocking and looks cartoonish. It can't be taken seriously, because it's not meant to be.
True, but wasn't it Doom that technically began the joke about running on almost literally everything?
The difference is that you want to run Doom on everything.
They’re anime dudes with realistic proportions and there’s still blood.
It's simple. They downgrade the violence. He can still do the violent actions in a way that it's more slapstick, but there isn't any blood gushing or demon guts anywhere. Snake does military chokeholds for his grab. You can kill with those in every MGS. I want to take Fortnite as an example. Definitely has immenese amounts of gun violence, but it maks that by making it a lot more slapstick and no blood is shown during any of the games. That's how it gets away with only a T Rating. The same applies to Doomguy, especially more so since DLC is an option and the ESRB, AFAIK, can't touch most aspects of it.
I just don't agree, and even if I did, I'm trying to look at this as objectively as possible, as well as from Nintendo's perspective.
"It's simple. They downgrade the essence of the character, completely changing what they are."
Not at all what I'm saying. I just don't think you've actually seen what the gameplay in Halo looks like.
False equivalency, not even going to bother.
That's fair. But that doesn't change the realistic weapons that Snake uses and that the entirety of Metal Gear Solid is based on. But you're going to dodge this by saying that it's stylised and not in first person aren't you? Because those are the only two arguments that you have.
Remember when I said you'd call me an idiot? This is what I'm referring to. You're condescending and think you're better than people. But guess what, we're both losers because we're fighting on the internet about which shoot-y gun game is more violent on the basis of completely arbitrary reasoning. The difference is is that I'm going to be done with this conversation after this comment and you'll probably reply to the void.
Is this where I tell you to look at Metroid Prime 3 and Other M? It's not all out war, but there's definitely large scale battles with human soldiers fighting on your side that are just as brutal as things in Halo. But again, I eagerly anticipate you hand waving this away to make the same two points you've already made ad nauseum.
The first one I listed isn't really a spoiler since it happens at basically the start of the game, in the first palace. The second, though, is a pretty massive story spoiler, but it's incredibly violent.
Still think people are jumping the gun a bit about the Pete Hines thing, but yeah, all three series are strong contenders. I'd say RE is the strongest out of those three, simply because Capcom loves their crossovers and is already in contact with Ninty.
Doing both.
I don’t think they care.
I did put "hints" in quotations.
I've probably been playing Halo before you were even born, actually.
It's the false equivalency that YOU'RE making. So, thank you for admitting that.
You keep trying to pin these singular factors on these games, as if I'm only concerned about singular factors. With respect to Metal Gear, you're right, it does have realistic gun violence. But you're missing several other factors.
It's actually not stylized in Metal Gear, no. It's presented quite realistically. But yes, the fact that it's a third person game still makes all the difference. It's still a game that discourages violence and encourages you to use stealth to avoid all conflict. It's the most peaceful war game ever made.
The REASON it does is because of the immersion. First person games are designed to make you feel like you're the one on the scene committing every action. It makes violence that much more personal and that much more intense as a result.
You're right. It's not.
Oh, I'm aware. That part wasn't about you specifically. Could have worded it better, probably.
Yeah, just as I thought, it's not realistic or violent enough. Certainly not Doom-tier. Acceptable for Smash.
You don't SEE it happen, so it doesn't matter.
But I guess Nintendo and Sakurai are still “endorsing” this.
Goofy and stylized cartoon violence?
I know I said I wouldn't respond to you anymore. But I just wanted to say that's my real age on my profile and if that's your real age on yours, then that's physically impossible and the rest of your post is just you ranting about the exact things I said you would.
Then I would politely suggest that you act like it.
