Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Cutie Gwen]

Need I remind everyone that Rosalina got in over Toad?

Honestly, this sounds like an argument but I always distrusted anyone who genuinely feels Toad is a character who should get in

This conversation seems hilariously overtly hostile for no reason at all.

What's hilarious is that it's about Kirby, a Nintendo franchise who's fanbase seems to be pretty damn chill compared to others

 

[Shroob]

Honestly, this sounds like an argument but I always distrusted anyone who genuinely feels Toad is a character who should get in

What's hilarious is that it's about Kirby, a Nintendo franchise who's fanbase seems to be pretty damn chill compared to others

Obviously, that means the hellspawn eldritch final boss has appeared.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Looking at the Switch's best sellers list and upcoming games makes it really easy to imagine a pass that's 100% promotional/evergreen.

Seriously;




Some, like Pokémon and Kirby lend themselves to diverse possible choices. Any Gen 8 Pokémon would serve the dual purpose of promoting Pokémon -and- getting the sizable Pokémon fanbase to take another look at Smash (remember that Pokémon is more than just games). I think any of the guest characters from Star Allies could work since the point of Star Allies is bringing back all these old characters. Of course there's third party character options too and you could probably add on any third party company with a lot of Switch presence.

The downside to this I guess is we might legitimately not get another pick like Joker or Banjo. Especially when they could multitask appeasing requests doing marketing by adding Travis Touchdown or Rex or something similar.

Well we know there's going to be at least one 3rd party and Sakurai did speak of how 3rd party communications were more difficult in Lockdown.

 

[Shroob]

Well we know there's going to be at least one 3rd party and Sakurai did speak of how 3rd party communications were more difficult in Lockdown.

Oh yeah, that is true, huh.

That more or less confirms that there's at the very least ONE 3rd party in the works.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Oh yeah, that is true, huh.

That more or less confirms that there's at the very least ONE 3rd party in the works.

Not to mention, I don't think Vault Boy will be the last we've heard of WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?! level Mii costumes.

 

[NeonBurrito]

This conversation seems hilariously overtly hostile for no reason at all.

The only time you're allowed to get angry on the internet is about inconsequential discourse over the video game equivalent of a tangerine with a stick and a rag. That's common knowledge.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So... what'd I miss?

-sees my Springtron post reached over 25 likes as I slept-

DAMN! I didn't think my opinion would be THIS good lmao

 

[NintenRob]

Well we know there's going to be at least one 3rd party and Sakurai did speak of how 3rd party communications were more difficult in Lockdown.

I don't think that's true, I know he mentioned it's difficult to set meeting with other developers but I don't think it was specific about third party.


For example, Min Min was first party, but he still spoke to Yabuki (is that his name) about who to add.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

So... what'd I miss?

-sees my Springtron post reached over 25 likes as I slept-

DAMN! I didn't think my opinion would be THIS good lmao

Where is it? I wanna see it! Quote it! I want to know if it really is that good

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Where is it? I wanna see it! Quote it! I want to know if it really is that good

Here it is.

Springtron's existence is enough for me to know there's more to Spring Man than just being "box dude"

likes aren't useful in everyday life, but dammit, I'll shill my posts anyway.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Defending a character other than Bandana Dee is nice but it’d be easier if people rallied behind one specific Dream Friend instead of countering BanDee’s support by haphazardly trying to defend every character that has appeared in the Kirby series in the past 25 years just to dunk on Dee

 

[Aetheri]

Well we know there's going to be at least one 3rd party and Sakurai did speak of how 3rd party communications were more difficult in Lockdown.

Oh yeah, that is true, huh.

That more or less confirms that there's at the very least ONE 3rd party in the works.

Not necessarily...remember third party communications are needed for characters like Heihachi and Vault Boy and they were only added as Miis.

That statement doesn't really mean anything in regards to whether we are or are not getting any third party characters for DLC.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Bandana Dee's a good boy, y'all just mean

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Defending a character other than Bandana Dee is nice but it’d be easier if people rallied behind one specific Dream Friend instead of countering BanDee’s support by haphazardly trying to defend every character that has appeared in the Kirby series in the past 25 years just to dunk on Dee

That's not the problem. The point is that in the previous page people said that the fact that the additional Dream Friends added through DLC have better movesets, exclusive levels, more ccontent overall and nice renders (other than the marketing of the game built around them) is just some sort of "power creep", instead, the base dream friends not having all that stuff is somehow special treatment and it's proof that they are more important. And this is not bias, it's just that people really like Bandana Dee, apparently.

Also the other characters without those fancy renders would be nothing.

It's not a matter of defending a character, this is just flawed logic and bias.

 

[NintenRob]

Bandana Dee's a good boy, y'all just mean

It seems to be just the one person who's upset with him for some reason. Most people actually seem to be defending him which is nice

 

[WeirdChillFever]

That's not the problem. The point is that in the previous page people said that the fact that the additional Dream Friends added through DLC have better movesets, exclusive levels, more ccontent overall and nice renders (other than the marketing of the game built around them) is just some sort of "power creep", instead, the base dream friends not having all that stuff is somehow special treatment and it's proof that they are more important. And this is not bias, it's just that people really like Bandana Dee, apparently.

Also the other characters without those fancy renders would be nothing.

It's not a matter of defending a character, this is just flawed logic and bias.

Okay but the statements of ”Quality of Star Allies moveset doesn’t correspond to importance” and “Bandana Dee being added in the same wave as King Dedede and Meta Knight means he’s important” aren’t complementary. They can co-exist and imo, calling that flawed logic is flawed logic in and of itself.

 

[osby]

That's not the problem. The point is that in the previous page people said that the fact that the additional Dream Friends added through DLC have better movesets, exclusive levels, more ccontent overall and nice renders (other than the marketing of the game built around them) is just some sort of "power creep", instead, the base dream friends not having all that stuff is somehow special treatment and it's proof that they are more important. And this is not bias, it's just that people really like Bandana Dee, apparently.

Also the other characters without those fancy renders would be nothing.

It's not a matter of defending a character, this is just flawed logic and bias.

By your "flawless" and "unbiased" logic, Nintendo cares about Joker more than they care about Mario.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Okay but the statements of ”Quality of Star Allies moveset doesn’t correspond to importance” and “Bandana Dee being added in the same wave as King Dedede and Meta Knight means he’s important” aren’t complementary. They can co-exist and imo, calling that flawed logic is flawed logic in and of itself.

By your "flawless" and "unbiased" logic, Nintendo cares about Joker more than they care about Mario.

Let's not put words in my mouth that I've never said.
I'm not saying that those things are evidence of the importance of a character, I've never said that. In fact, that argumentation is flawed from the start and I'm just making a sum of it, not putting my opinion in it.

That discussion is just wrong, my point was that all the dream friends are treated equally like the arms characters, regardless of their history.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Let's not put words in my mouth that I've never said.
I'm not saying that those things are evidence of the importance of a character, I've never said that. In fact, that argumentation is flawed from the start and I'm just making a sum of it, not putting my opinion in it.

That discussion is just wrong, my point was that all the dream friends are treated equally like the arms characters, regardless of their history.

Dude, Bandana Waddle Dee get special treatment even there. He's the default Special Ally if you haven't unlocked DDD and Meta Knight on 1.0.0

If you want to say that you think Bandana Dee is overated, that's cool. You do you. But if you debate with flimsy arguments, people are going to poke holes in them.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Let's not put words in my mouth that I've never said.
I'm not saying that those things are evidence of the importance of a character, I've never said that. In fact, that argumentation is flawed from the start and I'm just making a sum of it, not putting my opinion in it.

That discussion is just wrong, my point was that all the dream friends are treated equally like the arms characters, regardless of their history.

They might be treated equally as “Dream Friends” in Star Allies, but that doesn’t mean they’re all interchangeable as Smash contenders like the ARMS characters were.

Do I think we can have Kirby discussion? Of course! Kirby has a lot of interesting characters that offer really fun moveset potential, but trying to bring down Bandana Dee instead of focussing on what you want out of that discussion besides “i don’t like bandana dee” doesn’t help. Let’s forget about Bandana Dee for a second, who do you want from the Kirby series?

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Dude, Bandana Waddle Dee get special treatment even there. He's the default Special Ally if you haven't unlocked DDD and Meta Knight on 1.0.0

If you want to say that you think Bandana Dee is overated, that's cool. You do you. But if you debate with flimsy arguments, people are going to poke holes in them.

Unlocking a character earlier or later is not sign of importance.
There are countless games where you unlock characters and it doesn't mean that the ones you get by default are more important than the ones you unlock later. In fact, you unlock the Dream Friends in groups of 3 in chronological order according to the release date of their games, through the story mode.
If anything Dedede and Metaknight get the special treatment because you have to unlock them through a boss fight, and the three mage sisters because they are a bonus reward for getting the best ending. And even that means nothing in fact of character importance... if Metaknight and Dedede are more important than the other characters it's not because they are base game dream friends, it's because of other obvious reasons.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Unlocking a character earlier or later is not sign of importance.
There are countless games where you unlock characters and it doesn't mean that the ones you get by default are more important than the ones you unlock later. In fact, you unlock the Dream Friends in groups of 3 in chronological order according to the release date of their games, through the story mode.
If anything Dedede and Metaknight get the special treatment because you have to unlock them through a boss fight, and the three mage sisters because they are a bonus reward for getting the best ending. And even that means nothing in fact of character importance... if Metaknight and Dedede are more important than the other characters it's not because they are base game dream friends, it's because of other obvious reasons.

You said that unlocking a character earlier or later isn't important and then said DDD and Meta Knight got special treatment because they're unlocked in story mode.

I don't even know what point you're trying to make any more.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Guys can’t we just talk Kirby picks without having to debunk this very specific and overall stupidly nitpicky point first? This isn’t ARMS cause ARMS is one game with only differences like “who appears on box-art” or ”who has more pictures in an in-game gallery” whereas Kirby is a series where the question is “Who appears as playable alongside the currently playable cast and consistently appears as helper otherwise?” with the answer being Dee, plain and simple.

So, if you wanna talk importance, Dee wins and your logic about ARMS is entirely irrelevant. If we wanna talk moveset potential and Sakurai not always picking the most important pick for uniqueness, let’s talk unique movesets for Adeleine or something but Please don’t try to argue she’s more important cause if she was she wouldn’t be dead in the water since the N64. Please, just go the Geno route then and say “i think these characters are funny” and just talk about them instead of putting your head in the sand in order to split hairs about “well if we discount all these games then your argument is invalid” for four pages.

 

[Speed Weed]

alright who the **** is dissing the dee

 

[Iko MattOrr]

They might be treated equally as “Dream Friends” in Star Allies, but that doesn’t mean they’re all interchangeable as Smash contenders like the ARMS characters were.

Do I think we can have Kirby discussion? Of course! Kirby has a lot of interesting characters that offer really fun moveset potential, but trying to bring down Bandana Dee instead of focussing on what you want out of that discussion besides “i don’t like bandana dee” doesn’t help. Let’s forget about Bandana Dee for a second, who do you want from the Kirby series?

Sorry but I'm not in the mood of discussing movesets and concepts right now."I don't like bandana dee" is not the point, that's where other people dragged the discussion to, I was talking about different things.

You said that unlocking a character earlier or later isn't important and then said DDD and Meta Knight got special treatment because they're unlocked in story mode.

I don't even know what point you're trying to make any more.

You clearly did not understand a word of what I said. Metaknight and Dedede are special because they require a special method for unlocking them and it is that you have to throw an heart at them after defeating them in their bossfight; no other character is unlocked this way. Three Mage Sisters are unlocked by getting a best ending, you have reach a specific goal in order to unlock them (collect a certain amount of hearts in the another dimension mode), all the other characters are unlocked automatically each chapter of the story, Bandana Dee is unlocked by the start, so first chapter; their order is based on their creation date, not importance.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I love Planet Robobot and Susie could be like Tron Bonne. Just give her MvC3 Tron's level 3 as a final smash too

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Sorry but I'm not in the mood of discussing movesets and concepts right now."I don't like bandana dee" is not the point, that's where other people dragged the discussion to, I was talking about different things.


You clearly did not understand a word of what I said. Metaknight and Dedede are special because they require a special method for unlocking them and it is that you have to throw an heart at them after defeating them in their bossfight; no other character is unlocked this way. Three Mage Sisters are unlocked by getting a best ending, you have reach a specific goal in order to unlock them (collect a certain amount of hearts in the another dimension mode), all the other characters are unlocked automatically each chapter of the story, Bandana Dee is unlocked by the start, so first chapter; their order is based on their creation date, not importance.

So what is “the point”? Cause all I see is a discussiom about the possibility of “Kirby being like ARMS and the Dream Friends being more equal in importance than often said“ devolving into unlock methods and similar hair-splitting. So I ask you, what is your point and if not these points, what do you want to discuss?

 

[TwiceEXE]

I love Planet Robobot and Susie could be like Tron Bonne. Just give her MvC3 Tron's level 3 as a final smash too

PR Balrog's level 3 on Viscant was the hypest EVO moment I've ever seen. So I would be down for this inclusion.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

PR Balrog's level 3 on Viscant was the hypest EVO moment I've ever seen. So I would be down for this inclusion.

Remind me, was that the one where he accidetally paused and the opponent tried to get DQ-ed for it despite it killing either way and where the commentators screamed so much their mikes blew out or something? Good ****

 

[Iko MattOrr]

So what is “the point”? Cause all I see is a discussiom about the possibility of “Kirby being like ARMS and the Dream Friends being more equal in importance than often said“ devolving into unlock methods and similar hair-splitting. So I ask you, what is your point and if not these points,

“Kirby being like ARMS and the Dream Friends being more equal in importance than often said“ that was my point, I don't see how this is suddenly "I dislike bandana dee". People got salty because I compared Bandana Dee to the other Dream Friends and said that everyone has a chance, that's it.

The unlock method is pointless discussion that did not start from me.

what do you want to discuss?

Nothing, really.

 

[DanganZilla5]

(also, why would you not have bothered with Banjo? That game's one of the best platformers out there!)

I'm not the biggest fan of platformers. I like them but I don't have a long histroy with it besides games like Mario, Crash and Spyro. But Banjo just wasn't on my radar for a really long time and he got onto my radar mostly through speculation. Thinking about it, my comment was mostly referring to DQ and ARMS, both games are from genres that I play even less of.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

People are dissing Bandana Dee? Wow...

He's the player 4 of the Kirby franchise. If any character from that series earns the spot its him.

 

[TwiceEXE]

Remind me, was that the one where he accidetally paused and the opponent tried to get DQ-ed for it despite it killing either way and where the commentators screamed so much their mikes blew out or something? Good ****

I don't remember if there was a pause. It was EVO grand finals and with a sliver of life, he landed the raw level 3 on a Dark Phoenix to reset the bracket. Absolutely insane.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Sorry but I'm not in the mood of discussing movesets and concepts right now."I don't like bandana dee" is not the point, that's where other people dragged the discussion to, I was talking about different things.


You clearly did not understand a word of what I said. Metaknight and Dedede are special because they require a special method for unlocking them and it is that you have to throw an heart at them after defeating them in their bossfight; no other character is unlocked this way. Three Mage Sisters are unlocked by getting a best ending, you have reach a specific goal in order to unlock them (collect a certain amount of hearts in the another dimension mode), all the other characters are unlocked automatically each chapter of the story, Bandana Dee is unlocked by the start, so first chapter; their order is based on their creation date, not importance.

Eh? Bandana Waddle Dee is a Super Nintendo or Wii character depending on how you slice it. If they were unlocked chronologically you'd unlock him at the same time as Marx or Magalor.

 

[DanganZilla5]

This is probably the first time I've heard of people actually objecting against Bandana Dee. He is such a fan favorite. Someone else already said this but the fanbase is actually quite chill. I guess the laid back gameplay attracts a laid back audience? I'm not sure if certain games attracts certain audiences but that would make sense

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Eh? Bandana Waddle Dee is a Super Nintendo or Wii character depending on how you slice it. If they were unlocked chronologically you'd unlock him at the same time as Marx or Magalor.

I'm pretty sure Waddle Dees exist since the first GB game, and if you read BWD's description it says that he's there to represent the waddle dees for their perfect attendance in the series... so he represents waddle dees and waddle dees are just as old as Kirby.

 

[skylanders fan]

I love the Kirby series and really want a new rep for the series at some point and hopefully it’s BWD but I’d be cool with Marx or even Rick,Coo and Kine combo

 

[Guybrush20X6]

This is probably the first time I've heard of people actually objecting against Bandana Dee. He is such a fan favorite. Someone else already said this but the fanbase is actually quite chill. I guess the laid back gameplay attracts a laid back audience? I'm not sure if certain games attracts certain audiences but that would make sense

Correction, this is the first time you've heard person (singular) objecting against BD.

I've certainly heard a lot of people dismiss him as boring before but usually always as part of a different topic or a responce to why they didn't include him an a list.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

you see?
“Kirby being like ARMS and the Dream Friends being more equal in importance than often said“ = I'm dissing BD. Why do I discuss anymore?

 

[Koopaul]

Guys guys...

We're probably not going to get another Kirby character anyways.