Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Based off of how Sakurai works he develops the project plans early on in development. And we can assume that each Fighter's Pass counts as a separate development cycle. All the characters for FP1 were decided likely near the end of the base game's development and development started likely before the game was launched. Same can be said for Fighter's Pass 2, meaning all of the fighters have already been decided and the team is likely working on all the characters at least bit by bit. Sakurai at least knows how the last fighter is going to work at this point and won't be working from scratch after the 5th fighter is released.

It's clear that development will be moving a bit slower thanks to Covid but I don't think they'll spread them out by that much more, perhaps an extra month in between. Which going off of that logic we'll get our next Fighter sometime in October or even November.

One thing I do want to point out. Sakurai said he promises to 'at least do all five remaining fighters and reveal trailers' Some people think this could mean more fighters are possible after the pass, but I took it as a possibility that we may only get the last five fighters and reveal trailers, and perhaps there's a chance we might not get accompanying stages. If that's the case it allows the team to put their energy into just developing the characters themselves, but at the cost of not getting new stages possibly. We got a stage for Min Min and we'll possibly get a stage for the next fighter since they would have done most of the development before Covid hit, but the rest of the fighters are still up in the air. Or I could just be thinking pessimistically due to the current situation. Knowing Sakurai he'll do everything in his power to go the extra mile.

Considering Sakurai said development was going well, I don't think stages are hurt that badly.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Why are we arguing semantics about a made up term again?

third party? I don't think thats not made up

 

[Shroob]

Based off of how Sakurai works he develops the project plans early on in development. And we can assume that each Fighter's Pass counts as a separate development cycle. All the characters for FP1 were decided likely near the end of the base game's development and development started likely before the game was launched. Same can be said for Fighter's Pass 2, meaning all of the fighters have already been decided and the team is likely working on all the characters at least bit by bit. Sakurai at least knows how the last fighter is going to work at this point and won't be working from scratch after the 5th fighter is released.

It's clear that development will be moving a bit slower thanks to Covid but I don't think they'll spread them out by that much more, perhaps an extra month in between. Which going off of that logic we'll get our next Fighter sometime in October or even November.

One thing I do want to point out. Sakurai said he promises to 'at least do all five remaining fighters and reveal trailers' Some people think this could mean more fighters are possible after the pass, but I took it as a possibility that we may only get the last five fighters and reveal trailers, and perhaps there's a chance we might not get accompanying stages. If that's the case it allows the team to put their energy into just developing the characters themselves, but at the cost of not getting new stages possibly. We got a stage for Min Min and we'll possibly get a stage for the next fighter since they would have done most of the development before Covid hit, but the rest of the fighters are still up in the air. Or I could just be thinking pessimistically due to the current situation. Knowing Sakurai he'll do everything in his power to go the extra mile.

4 months isn't feasible by the December 2021 date if my math is correct. And if it's not, it's extremely cutting it close.

3 seems like the most happy medium, but of course, we have no idea when/if Nintendo will start up Directs again, hopefully in August.

 

[DarthEnderX]

third party? I don't think thats not made up

4th party is the term they're arguing about.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

4th party is the term they're arguing about.

Oh ****, sorry, I was late. Yeah Bruh, what on earth is 4th party

 

[DanganZilla5]

so guys.....yesterday I finally broke down and got ARMS. I did play some of the demo to prepare for speculation but I was just too curious and wanted to try all the characters and stages. Overall so far my favorite character is actually probably Byte and Barq with how unique they fight and I really like Snake Park with the snakeboards which is a fun gimmick. I'm hoping to get at least somewhat decent with the game but right now I'm happy with messing around in team battles and 4 player free for alls.

First Banjo, then Dragon Quest 11, and now ARMS. Smash really has pushed me to try out games I might not have even bothered with.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

(June) >???(Sep?/Oct?)

September is the most likely to coincide with Amiibo Theory.

Also depends when the second wave hits.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Oh ****, sorry, I was late. Yeah Bruh, what on earth is 4th party

I'm gonna guess real-life people?

I'd like to play a non-Mii Reggie in Smash.

 

[Jomosensual]

I’ve stopped doing predictions for the most part, but instead go with semi-realistic wants. For the remaining characters, I think we’ll see:

Spoiler

1. Another character from a first party series, this time a returning series like Byleth was in FP1: Rex, from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Not an assist trophy, so viable, and Sakurai specifically mentioned Rex as a character who would have been in had the timing worked out. Now the timing can.

2. Third party character from a first party series: Geno. Highly requested, one of the last remaining fan favorites like Ridley, King K Rool and Banjo & Kazooie. Probably wouldn’t be very popular outside of the Smash echo chamber, but seems like if he had any chance this is it. Though I suspect his series will be “Super Mario RPG” rather than Super Mario, and may only contain songs from that game. However, that’s my want, because the alternative is more likely, Paper Mario to coincidence with the new game.

The rest would be strictly 3rd party characters, 2 highly requested ones from Japan and the West, and 1 out there pick no one expects. That ones much harder to pick, obviously.

3. Sora: Easily one of the most requested characters, and would be a “How did they get them?” moment for a lot of people. I don’t think Disney is that hard to work with for Nintendo, though Imran’s comments do make me a bit more critical of my own assumptions. Unlike Imran, though, I doubt Master Chief as an alternative. I feel like every character must have some presence in Japan, and Banjo & Kazooie still was recognized by people of a certain generation who grew up with an N64. Master Chief doesn’t have much in comparison. I think a more likely alternative would be Lloyd, very popular in Japan. Wouldn’t have as big of a headline in the West as the other 2, but still a highly requested character. Doom is also highly possible, and has more historical significance, but I feel like a lot of speculation is because of Doom being on Switch. Can’t say for sure, but that’s how it appears.

4. Crash: This is my biggest want, and would be the Banjo & Kazooie of the second pass. Western mascot character, more iconic, and makes sense as a former console rival coming in like Sonic was for Brawl. Should be as shocking to see happen for real, though lessened by the fact Crash is now owned by Activision, who has a decent relationship with Nintendo.

5. The out there character no one expects could be anyone. I’m thinking a character from either Arc System Works or Koei Tecmo. The recent debunked rumor did give me the idea that Sol from Guilty Gear could be an interesting pick, though from what I’ve read, perhaps too much like Terry. And ARMS fulfills the role of a fighting game character in FP2. I’m less certain about Hayabusa, even though I think Koei Tecmo makes sense as the next new company to come into Smash. Also doesn’t work well for this category given how much speculation has been on him. Maybe Dyansty Warriors, though I don’t know if that conflicts with Sakurai’s stated aversion to adding real or historical people. A BlazBlue character perhaps. Either way, whomever it is, it’s someone I would currently give a 1-5% chance of being in, and as such hard to say with any confidence. I just know there is going to be at least one.

I guess I'll do one of my own

Spoiler: My Picks

1. A Capcom Rep - I think this is the safest bet. Super easy to work with, tons of well known series, multiple highly requested characters. Just makes too much sense. Phoenix and Dante are the top two with Resident Evil taking up a 2nd to them with their DLC spirit event making it a little complicated but there's ways around it still. Someone like Ammy or Chun Li are in the running too but I wouldn't put money on them. I think Dante might be the most likely although Phoenix makes a ton of sense with a stronger history with Nintendo and likely a cheaper cost.

2. A League of Legends rep. I think this could have been at E3 this year. China is my biggest reason for thinking this with the Switch being brought over there and League being very popular there. Tencent is also officially known to be working with Nintendo now and likely will have some League games coming to the Switch soon. Smash is eventually coming out in China and as we've seen, Nintendo likes to play to specific regions with Smash DLC(or at least with pass 1). I'd guess the pick would be Ahri, but i don't really know enough about the game itself to be certain on which character it would be.

3. A big splash character. This is the other one I think could have been shown off at E3. Who could that big splash be? That I'm not really sure. Lara Croft? Master Chief? Sora? I'm not sure. I think I'd go with Crash but it's tough to really know because the price tag on a lot of these characters is likely high.

4. A long time requested character. We've seen it a lot in this game with Ridley, K Rool, Simon, and Banjo all showing up. I think one more is on it's way and it's between Isaac, Waluigi, and Geno for me. Those 3 feel like they've been the loudest fanbases left standing. My pick of the 3 is Waluigi who feels like the most well known of the 3 and is still around in games.

5. A first party rep from a recently released game. This is who I predict will be the last character in the pass who I think will be late next year. Tough to say who this could be since outside of BOTW2 we don't really know what else is being worked on. I don't think it'll be something like Paper Mario or Hornet to promote their currently upcoming games since those will be around a year old by the time we get this character and I think it'll be a release date closer to that like we had with Corrin and Byleth. We're also in a spot where it feels like a lot of series wouldn't be able to have another game out yet like Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, and Pokemon(maybe a gen 4 rep?). About BOTW 2 earlier, I don't think it'll be someone from that unless we're getting a brand new major character that's not a Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf because I can't imagine them closing Smash DLC on a different version of a character we already have. Gonna leave this one open since there's just not enough information out there on our future Nintendo titles.

Others in consideration

Another Square Rep - There's a lot of good characters here like Sora, Geno, and Lara Croft. The issue is Square is still who they are and I'm not sure if getting 2 songs will be enough out of them(yes, even Hero only got 2 songs per game). I'm not considering Final Fantasy as possible right now given we have 0 spirits and 2 songs for Cloud only.

A Gen 8Pokemon rep - No, I don't think 4 spirits takes them out of the running when there's DLC to promote and like 100 other Pokemon still on the table. Leaning unlikely on this but it feels possible. A starter or Urshifu feels the most likely here

A Microsoft rep that isn't Master Chief or Steve - Excluding the two of them because I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Microsoft use this to push a different series worldwide to promote the Xbox Series X. It feels like out of the big 3(Nintendo and Sony) Microsoft is the one that's the most reliant on it's top name in Master Chief. So what could this be? I have no clue since I don't know Microsoft games very well? Killer Instinct? Gears of War? Sea of Thieves?Tough to say. Think it's more likely they just push Halo into the east but think this is possible.

A company with content but no playable character - Companies like Ubisoft, Tecmo, Arc, and Marvelous have content in the game already but no playable characters. I don't expect this to happen because it feels like we've been waiting on companies in this boat to get a character forever now and nothing has happened with it yet. Hayabusa or Travis Touchdown feel like the most likely choices here.

Bandi Namco rep - This being here is mostly just a formality but I guess it could happen. Heihachi is most certainly done now. Wouldn't be shocked if Lloyd is too soon. That leaves not much left. Agumon and Nightmare feel like the front runners but I don't see them as likely even though it would be cool. And no, KOS MOS isn't getting in. BN dont see her as profitable enough to remaster her games, which makes 0 sense if she's coming to Smash. Lets leave her in 2019.

 

[Aetheri]

Oh ****, sorry, I was late. Yeah Bruh, what on earth is 4th party

4th party refers to non-video game characters.

Goku, Mickey Mouse, Batman, Ronald McDonald, etc.

Technically there are still third party since they aren't owned by Nintendo themselves, (except for of course those characters that are owned by Nintendo) but it's used to clarify that they aren't video game characters and likely "off the table" in terms of general speculation.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah Bruh, what on earth is 4th party

Non-video game characters. Like Goku.

Edit: 'd.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Oh ****, sorry, I was late. Yeah Bruh, what on earth is 4th party

Characters who aren't video game characters.

Notable examples: Goku, Iron Man, Shrek, Spongebob, etc.

 

[smashkirby]

From what I remember people talking about, the thing about Dimitri and Morrigan was that she took the spotlight while Dimitri was left in the shadow.

I really hope that, if Min Min becomes a mascot, she shares the spotlight with Spring Man. I don’t want him to be left in the shadows. Yabuki likes him too, though, and he’s clearly still getting a push, so maybe this situation people are talking about likely won’t happen.

This is pretty much my hope for ARMS going forward after Min Min's addition to Smash. While I'm a tad disappointed that Spring Man (who I genuinely like) wasn't the playable rep, I'm still more than cool with Min Min (What can I say? I love her Chinese/dragon aesthetic and I love noodles). Still, I hope Nintendo doesn't 'forsake' Spring Man as a mascot for ARMS, as I feel like he encapsulates the series rather well.

Min Min would more likely replace Ribbon Girl, imo.

If anything, THIS is what I see happening to ARMS going forward. Min Min takes Ribbon Girl's place as the female mascot.

Pretty ironic, considering how Biff notes that Min Min holds a bit of a grudge against Ribbon Girl. According to him, it's nothing really intense or personal, but Min Min is supposedly a bit annoyed that Ribbon Girl got as famous as she did without much work.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I’ve stopped doing predictions for the most part, but instead go with semi-realistic wants. For the remaining characters, I think we’ll see:

Yeah, I also don't do predictions, only wishlists.

Still mine, just replace Spencer with Min Min I guess:

 

[SharkLord]

Eh, unless every Dream Friend is carried over to the next game with some sort of significance outside of cameos, I don't think the "4th Main Character" thing will necessarily apply to the Kirby franchise, especially when you think about what makes Kirby, Meta Knight, Dedede, and (I guess subjectively) Bandana Dee main characters. Perhaps one could argue that Dream Friends like Marx and Gooey could be named as the "4th Main Character" within their own respective games, but I think it would be a little weird to deem a certain character as a "main" character if they just appear, disappear for a while (outside of cameos), and then show up again, especially when taking the entirety of the Kirby franchise, or at least each era into account.

It just opens up the floodgates for anyone to be called a main character just for merely existing, which clearly doesn't seem to be the case.
I just think it's much easier for a game like ARMS to get away with it, since it's the first entry in the series and no character particularly stands out from the others in terms of appearances or being more recognizable. Eventually though, they could easily ride off of the popularity of one character in particular before bringing them into a game like Smash.

Agreed. Star Allies isn't a reset button that invalidates impact on all the past games, and we can't just use words said about a single-game series and apply them to literally any other game as an argument. Bandana Dee isn't like Spring Man because he's appeared in multiple games-From KSSU to KSA, he's actually shown up more than Dedede and Meta Knight! Spring Man, on the other hand, appeared in one game, and that was a brand new IP. Kirby isn't, and we can't apply the same rules as ARMS.

The plot of Kingdom Hearts is so convoluted and insane that I'd unironically would love to see Smash somehow become canon to KH, or at least provide foreshadowing for future plot developments (like how in Brawl, Shadow Moses Island had references to Metal Gear Solid 4's endgame, before the latter even came out).

Xehanort's eyes are yellow. When your Final Smash is ready, your eyes glow yellow. Coincidence?
I think NOT!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If you ask me, there's next to no chance they create these characters and Challenger Packs without a stage. Not only is development going well, but the fine print on the Smash website says that Volume 2 is very much set to be just like Volume 1.

I don't have any doubt it will maintain the structure we've seen in Volume 1.

 

[Shroob]

If you ask me, there's next to no chance they create these characters and Challenger Packs without a stage. Not only is development going well, but the fine print on the Smash website says that Volume 2 is very much set to be just like Volume 1.

I don't have any doubt it will maintain the structure we've seen in Volume 1.

But god, I'm not looking forward to them probably using a 2nd menu for the DLC stages. I hope they're able to just fit all the stages on one page.

 

[Faso115]

They are probably not doing another Guess Who unless, again, the next character is a Pokemon.

My bet is August would be ideal for a reveal and a release next month.

Or maybe use EVO but who am i kidding, Nintendo cares about EVO as much as they care about proper online connectivity

 

[Shroob]

They are probably not doing another Guess Who unless, again, the next character is a Pokemon.

My bet is August would be ideal for a reveal and a release next month.

Or maybe use EVO but who am i kidding, Nintendo cares about EVO as much as they care about proper online connectivity

I'm banking on September myself, it'd put us on track like wave 1 was.


But as to when the teaser would be, who knows. Could be next month, could be August, no one knows.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

They are probably not doing another Guess Who unless, again, the next character is a Pokemon.

My bet is August would be ideal for a reveal and a release next month.

Or maybe use EVO but who am i kidding, Nintendo cares about EVO as much as they care about proper online connectivity

I'm thinking September given Amiibo Theory which has yet to have been broken.

 

[DevaAshera]

Damn right. Despite years of neglect, its status as a classic and Falcon in Smash have kept F-Zero alive and kicking in people's minds. A new F-Zero would sell, that's a guarantee. Nintendo can be incredibly short-sighted, but not capitalizing on a franchise that they've literally been advertising for decades because Miyamoto won't come up with a gimmick is one of their dumbest.

I know..I'm sick of Miyamoto having routinely terrible ideas or an over reliance on gimmicks since he seems to think games aren't as much fun without them.
I think he's past his prime and should let others take the reins like happened with Zelda.

 

[SharkLord]

According to Amiibo Theory, next fighter is September, like people are saying. That being said, assuming things are going well over at Nintendo, we could end up with an August Direct and see who it is there. Sure, Min Min and Byleth were revealed in their overview, but nothing says the next fighter needs to be revealed like that.

 

[Perkilator]

According to Amiibo Theory, next fighter is September, like people are saying. That being said, assuming things are going well over at Nintendo, we could end up with an August Direct and see who it is there. Sure, Min Min and Byleth were revealed in their overview, but nothing says the next fighter needs to be revealed like that.

Especially since they're both currently the only fighters revealed this way.

 

[SharkLord]

Especially since they're both currently the only fighters revealed this way.

Interestingly, the only first-parties to be part of a pass are the only ones revealed in their overview. You'd think the third-parties would be revealed like that, being the big hype trains and all.

 

[CosmicQuark]

We can certainly keep the pace of Volume 1 while maintaining the Dec 2021 deadline. My hypothetical timeline:

June: FP6 - Min Min
Oct: FP7
Feb: FP8
June: FP9
Sept: FP10
Dec: FP11

Starting with longer gaps at first, 4 months, then going into 3 month gaps. The shortest gap we’ve had between characters is Banjo & Kazooie and Terry, as well as Terry and Byleth with a 2 month gap. So the hypothetical is a pessimistic timeline, which still isn’t that bad.

 

[Megadoomer]

so guys.....yesterday I finally broke down and got ARMS. I did play some of the demo to prepare for speculation but I was just too curious and wanted to try all the characters and stages. Overall so far my favorite character is actually probably Byte and Barq with how unique they fight and I really like Snake Park with the snakeboards which is a fun gimmick. I'm hoping to get at least somewhat decent with the game but right now I'm happy with messing around in team battles and 4 player free for alls.

First Banjo, then Dragon Quest 11, and now ARMS. Smash really has pushed me to try out games I might not have even bothered with.

Smash works really well as a gateway series. It was the same for me with Metal Gear, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, and Earthbound, at the very least. (also, why would you not have bothered with Banjo? That game's one of the best platformers out there!)

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

4th party refers to non-video game characters.

Goku, Mickey Mouse, Batman, Ronald McDonald, etc.

Technically there are still third party since they aren't owned by Nintendo themselves, (except for of course those characters that are owned by Nintendo) but it's used to clarify that they aren't video game characters and likely "off the table" in terms of general speculation.

Non-video game characters. Like Goku.

Edit: 'd.

Characters who aren't video game characters.

Notable examples: Goku, Iron Man, Shrek, Spongebob, etc.

H-huh, the more I know

 

[SharkLord]

Smash works really well as a gateway series. It was the same for me with Metal Gear, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, and Earthbound, at the very least. (also, why would you not have bothered with Banjo? That game's one of the best platformers out there!)

Agreed. It got me into Metroid, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade Chronicles, Castlevania, SNK's multiverse, etc., and that's just the actual fighters. About ahlf of my interests I first heard about through Smash speculation, actually.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Xehanort's eyes are yellow. When your Final Smash is ready, your eyes glow yellow. Coincidence?
I think NOT!

So Everyone really WAS already half Xehanort

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Xehanort's eyes are yellow. When your Final Smash is ready, your eyes glow yellow. Coincidence?
I think NOT!

And whose eyes constantly glow yellow?

I now want to see Ridley pontificating about the meanings of Light, hearts and Darkness all while wearing one of those dumb hoodies.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

And whose eyes constantly glow yellow?

I now want to see Ridley pontificating about the meanings of Light, hearts and Darkness all while wearing one of those dumb hoodies.

The catch is...

Its all in his screeching dinosaur noises.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Agreed. Star Allies isn't a reset button that invalidates impact on all the past games, and we can't just use words said about a single-game series and apply them to literally any other game as an argument. Bandana Dee isn't like Spring Man because he's appeared in multiple games-From KSSU to KSA, he's actually shown up more than Dedede and Meta Knight! Spring Man, on the other hand, appeared in one game, and that was a brand new IP. Kirby isn't, and we can't apply the same rules as ARMS.

I'm sorry but I disagree. The amount of appearance doesn't make a character more important. As you said, Bandana Waddle Dee appeared more than King Dedede and Metaknight, but King Dedede and Metaknight are still more important than him right? They are often the focus of the story, we often get levels inside Dedede's Castle or the Halberd, etc. It's not a matter of how many times a character appears, it's how meaningful that appearance is.
I'm pretty sure that, speaking of impact on all the past games, Marx had a bigger impact on the series with his one appearance, than Bandana Waddle Dee with his multiple appearances... by this logic, the least influent character is probably Daroach or Dark Metaknight, though Daroach is getting plushes and steampunk toy figures just recently. I'm convinced that all those characters are considered on the same level and they're there to stay... there's a big chance that they all will return in the next game, maybe as playable too, due to the success that the Dream Friends had among the fanbase during all the announcement/release cycle.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Marx had a bigger impact on the series with his one appearance, than Bandana Waddle Dee with his multiple appearances..

But how?

Marx affects one game in Kirby Super Star and its remake... and affects literally nothing else until Star Allies. He's not like Dark Matter who's seemingly connected to everything. He's probably closer to Dark Mind in terms of series influence. A villain who appeared in the climax of his game, and nothing else.

Daroach at least affected the plot of two main series games and Bandana Waddle Dee is at least playable in several Kirby games, even being Kirby's side kick in some. Dark Meta Knight was a bonus boss at one point and had the mirror world affect Triple Deluxe. Marx's impact on the series is pretty darn minimal. The only thing even related to Marx that affected future plots was Nova appearing in Robotbot. But that's Nova, not Marx.

 

[NintenRob]

People will find whatever loophole they want **** on Bandana Dee won't they?

The fact (yes, FACT) that Bandana Dee is more popular than the vast majority of Kirby characters, the Fact that they still continue to use him when they can shows just how much of an impact he's had. People loved playing as him in Return to Dreamland. People wanted an Extra mode focused on him.

He's not comparable to Spring Man, he's honestly become the Luigi of sorts for the franchise.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

But how?

Marx affects one game in Kirby Super Star and its remake... and affects literally nothing else until Star Allies. He's not like Dark Matter who's seemingly connected to everything. He's probably closer to Dark Mind in terms of series influence. A villain who appeared in the climax of his game, and nothing else.

Daroach at least affected the plot of two main series games and Bandana Waddle Dee is at least playable in several Kirby games, even being Kirby's side kick in some. Dark Meta Knight was a bonus boss at one point and had the mirror world affect Triple Deluxe. Marx's impact on the series is pretty darn minimal. The only thing even related to Marx that affected future plots was Nova appearing in Robotbot. But that's Nova, not Marx.

Marx did not affect the series story-wise (or lore), but design-wise.
Magolor exists because Marx exists, and we get the typical betrayal plot twist in most games because of him.
There's a reason why he's still a very memorable character despite appearing only in one game and its remake (excluding Star Allies).

People will find whatever loophole they want **** on Bandana Dee won't they?

People will find wathever loophole they want **** on literally any Kirby character that's not Bandana Dee because Bandana Dee is "more important" won't they?

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Bandee seems to be a nerve-toucher alongside Fire Emblem, huh?
I said it last time he was brought up, but BanDee to me at least would probably be one of my most "neutral" picks for Smash. Like, I don't actively want him, but I wouldn't hate it if he got in.
The worst thing I can say about BanDee is I would much rather see Dark Matter in Smash first.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Marx did not affect the series story-wise (or lore) of the series, but design-wise.
Magolor exists because Marx exists, and we get the typical betrayal plot twist in most games because of him.
There's a reason why he's still a very memorable character despite appearing only in one game and its remake (excluding Star Allies).

I dunno. Magalor seems to take more design cues from Dark Matter then Marx. The eye is a dead giveaway.

And betrayal plots are not exclusive to Marx. That's like saying Taranza becoming a good guy is due to Dedede turning out to be good in Adventure.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Marx is one of my favorite characters from Kirby, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t impact much with his one main game appearance (or two if you count Ultra), cameo as a boss in Mass Attack’s pinball game, and one of a dozen other dream friends in Star Allies.

 

[NintenRob]

Marx is one of my favorite characters from Kirby, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t impact much with his one main game appearance (or two if you count Ultra), cameo as a boss in Mass Attack’s pinball game, and one of a dozen other dream friends in Star Allies.

Not to mention it was one SubGame in Super Star (plus arena fights) he's non existent in Dyna blade, Meta Knights Revenge and Great Cave Offensive

 

[Mamboo07]

Why is everyone fighting over my boy Dee?