Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Aetheri]

What would your reaction be in the hypothetical scenario where the first AT promotion ends up being Midna?

Somewhere between *screaming internally* and *dies of hype*

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

What would your reaction be in the hypothetical scenario where the first AT promotion ends up being Midna?

Midna's not exactly my first choice for a new Zelda character, but I think she'd be a great addition to the cast of Smash Bros. She was a lot of fun in Hyrule Warriors and a really great character in her home game too, so I'd be pleasantly surprised if we got Midna as a playable fighter.

 

[Wunderwaft]

What would your reaction be in the hypothetical scenario where the first AT promotion ends up being Midna?

I'd be hyped. She, Skull Kid, and Tingle are my most wanted Zelda characters. Also if she's the first AT promotion that means Spring Man didn't make it, so F for Springaling

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

>sees talk of fighting game inputs
>no mention of Geese Howard's Raging Storm

 

[Mamboo07]

What would your reaction be in the hypothetical scenario where the first AT promotion ends up being Midna?

"Huh, neat. At least it's not the funny purple lanky man with a toxic fanbase."

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Inputs are still around because they're a staple of the genre, the amount of buttons has never been why inputs exist. They're around to add a level of mechanical complexity. The whole point of Smash is being simple, hence why it doesn't have inputs. Also I think fatalities are a bad example since they literally have 1 button versions now.

Honestly, the fact that there are 1-button versions just proves how satisfying they are then you pull off the actual input.

Hell, I never find myself relying on that easy way out because it just feels much better to mess it up over and over until you actually pull it off yourself.

But maybe that's just me being a 23-year-old boomer or whatever

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I’m predicting a reveal at 9 AM est

when is the PS5 stream, at what time?

 

[Guynamednelson]

I’m predicting a reveal at 9 AM est

when is the PS5 stream, at what time?

4 PM, same time zone.

 

[Garteam]

Have we ever gotten an announcement on Thursday, followed by a reveal on Friday? I know it's Friday in Japan right now, so I'm not sure about a Saturday reveal.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Have we ever gotten an announcement on Thursday, followed by a reveal on Friday? I know it's Friday in Japan right now, so I'm not sure about a Saturday reveal.

The direct that announced Isabelle was like that iirc

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Have we ever gotten an announcement on Thursday, followed by a reveal on Friday? I know it's Friday in Japan right now, so I'm not sure about a Saturday reveal.

Actually it’s 10PM in Japan rn I think, so if the announcement is posted this hour and then the reveal is exactly 24 hours from then, there would be a worldwide Friday reveal.

 

[OnyanRings]

The wait's really hyping me up, even if it ends up just being Spring Man, i can't wait to see how the new ARMS character will play like.

"Huh, neat. At least it's not the funny purple lanky man with a toxic fanbase."

But i like Funny Lanky Purple Man ;v
I feel like we shouldn't let fanbases ruin characters or games we love, happened to Undertale for a lot of people and it's never a good time.

 

[Koopaul]

One worry. The aftermath of this reveal. I'll admit there will be some annoyances. If Min Min is the fighter I'll hear nothing but people declaring Spring Man dead and Min Min the new mascot... Even though we have no idea what the next ARMS game will be like.

If it's Spring Man we'll have people thinking the Fighters Pass 2 will have more "AT upgrades"... Even though Spring Man wasn't DLC because they wanted to upgrade an AT but just to be the rep for ARMS.

The way we (mostly me) can avoid this is if we get a fighter that isn't Spring Man or Min Min.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

One worry. The aftermath of this reveal. I'll admit there will be some annoyances. If Min Min is the fighter I'll hear nothing but people declaring Spring Man dead and Min Min the new mascot... Even though we have no idea what the next ARMS game will be like.

If it's Spring Man we'll have people thinking the Fighters Pass 2 will have more "AT upgrades"... Even though Spring Man wasn't DLC because they wanted to upgrade an AT but just to be the rep for ARMS.

The way we (mostly me) can avoid this is if we get a fighter that isn't Spring Man or Min Min.

And that's why we need the champ!

 

[Mamboo07]

The wait's really hyping me up, even if it ends up just being Spring Man, i can't wait to see how the new ARMS character will play like.



But i like Funny Lanky Purple Man ;v
I feel like we shouldn't let fanbases ruin characters or games we love, happened to Undertale for a lot of people and it's never a good time.

I agree.

 

[Mr. Robotto]

Honestly, I don't think Terry is the last Fighting Game rep we'll get. There are numerous big Fighting Games whose impact on the industry make them worth for some kind of representation in Smash. Some come to mind like Tekken, Guilty Gear and Mortal Kombat. I could write an entire essay on each of these and their importance within the Fighting Game industry, just like how I can for Street Fighter and the several SNK properties.

And even then, Sakurai has had an interest for a Tekken rep in Smash for a while now. And I think right now is a better time than ever.

Hmm, Fighting Game talk made me question something... Do people see the next ARMS rep as a Fighting Game rep? I actually think I kinda do, I mean hey, every game that gets featured at EVO is a Fighting Game in my book.

Nintendo always has to get creative with genres, first it was Shooters with Splatoon and now Fighting Games with ARMS. What's next?

 

[RileyXY1]

Honestly, I don't think Terry is the last Fighting Game rep we'll get. There are numerous big Fighting Games whose impact on the industry make them worth for some kind of representation in Smash. Some come to mind like Tekken, Guilty Gear and Mortal Kombat. I could write an entire essay on each of these and their importance within the Fighting Game industry, just like how I can for Street Fighter and the several SNK properties.

And even then, Sakurai has had an interest for a Tekken rep in Smash for a while now. And I think right now is a better time than ever.

Hmm, Fighting Game talk made me question something... Do people see the next ARMS rep as a Fighting Game rep? I actually think I kinda do, I mean hey, every game that gets featured at EVO is a Fighting Game in my book.

Nintendo always has to get creative with genres, first it was Shooters with Splatoon and now Fighting Games with ARMS. What's next?

He shot it down because he couldn't figure out how to translate Tekken's mechanics to Smash.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

They just posted about XCDE. possibly another stream of announcements today incl. some new ones

remember, two new private vids last night that don’t seem to be old videos

 

[osby]

He shot it down because he couldn't figure out how to translate Tekken's mechanics to Smash.

Sakurai also shot down characters like PAC-MAN or Ridley due to gameplay reasons before figuring out how they can be properly implemented to Smash. I wouldn't write Heihachi off completely.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

They just posted about XCDE. possibly another stream of announcements today incl. some new ones

remember, two new private vids last night that don’t seem to be old videos

Some rando on GameFAQs(both topics deleted now) tried to write that video's timing(which they apparently knew of the video existing or had a massively good guess) as being Smash-related.

Not really worth acknowledging, but it does mean we could see some claims today, if not quite a few, so best to watch out.

 

[Mr. Robotto]

He shot it down because he couldn't figure out how to translate Tekken's mechanics to Smash.

Yes, I'm fully aware. But the madman could finally end up having a concept this time. Never forget that he shot down Villager in Brawl because he couldn't imagine passive characters fight along in Smash. The guy changes his mind all the time, and he could have either make it work now or have a different concept for a moveset for him.

 

[Door Key Pig]

If BOTW2 Zelda got in, what do you guys think her name would be?

Wild Zelda is probably the most obvious one but I don't think it fits her aesthetic lol

With that title, am I the only one whose mind goes to Wild Woody?

 

[I.D.]

In case any of you are interested:

While we wait for the #SGMegaSmashPoll video to come out, let's play a game.
We are going to post a character who made it onto the full list and we want to hear your guesses to where they ranked.
This character doesn't have to be from the top 50, it can be anything from 1-1000! pic.twitter.com/O8rhDvv8TV

— Source Gaming (@AllSourceGaming) June 10, 2020

So far they have posted Toad, Jason (Blaster Master), the Battletoads, Sol Badguy and Freddy Fazbear.

 

[TechPowah]

Toad, Jason (Blaster Master), the Battletoads, Sol Badguy and Freddy Fazbear.

that's quite a strange lineup for Fighter Pass 2
quite the power move from Nintendo

 

[Mr. Robotto]

that's quite a strange lineup for Fighter Pass 2
quite the power move from Nintendo

Would honestly love it for Sol Badguy alone.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

In case any of you are interested:

While we wait for the #SGMegaSmashPoll video to come out, let's play a game.
We are going to post a character who made it onto the full list and we want to hear your guesses to where they ranked.
This character doesn't have to be from the top 50, it can be anything from 1-1000! pic.twitter.com/O8rhDvv8TV

— Source Gaming (@AllSourceGaming) June 10, 2020

So far they have posted Toad, Jason (Blaster Master), the Battletoads, Sol Badguy and Freddy Fazbear.

No source gaming, I dont wanna play a game, I want to know how low Layton and sora are on the poll so I can stop pretending that people like them

 

[Speed Weed]

With that title, am I the only one whose mind goes to Wild Woody?

not the sega rep we want or need, but the one we deserve

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

that's quite a strange lineup for Fighter Pass 2
quite the power move from Nintendo

*Nintendo when revealing Challenger Pack 11*
"This next fighter is from an up and coming indie game series. We understand that it's somewhat of a controversial pick though, so if you don't like it, please don't hold it against us."


To be honest though, if that was the our Fighters Pass Vol. 2, I would be pretty satisfied.

• Having Toad finally in the game would be great. He could even use Power Ups from across the Super Mario Bros series in order to enhance his abiliites for a while. For example, using the Hammer Suit could turn his turnip attacks into hammer attacks.
• Know nothing about Jason except for what his ship looks like, but a space guy could be pretty cool. Especially if I get to ride around in the Blaster Master and shoot people.
• I'll be fine with the Battletoads if they aren't made to look super realistic like Rash in Killer Instinct. Regardless of how gross they look though, playing them will certainly be a wild ride.
• I'd be down for Sol Badguy. Feel like everyone's gonna compare him to Terry though because of his special set. In the end though, he'll probably be a crazy character that anyone who likes fun can gt behind.
• Freddy Fazbear is the absolute worst character you could end with, and everyone would be like "Ugh! Smash ended on a low note again!", and other indie fans would be beyond salty. But I. I would love it! 10/10 absolute highlight of the pass.

 

[PeridotGX]

that's quite a strange lineup for Fighter Pass 2
quite the power move from Nintendo

When Undertale is reduced to a Mii Costume, Minecraft doesn't even get to show up, but dumb jumpscare bear gets a full fighters pass

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

When Undertale is reduced to a Mii Costume, Minecraft doesn't even get to show up, but dumb jumpscare bear gets a full fighters pass

Nah. Just a Callenger Pack.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

And that's why we need the champ!

When it comes to style, Max Brass always knows how to go beyond

Spoiler

Plus Ultra

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

When it comes to style, Max Brass always knows how to go beyond

Spoiler

Plus Ultra

Random thought to get from this, but what if there were Ultramax Pokémon? I bet it'd be planet sized, and threaten to destroy the world. I give the concept bonus points if it was something adorable like a Skitty or something.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Random thought to get from this, but what if there were Ultramax Pokémon? I bet it'd be planet sized, and threaten to destroy the world. I give the concept bonus points if it was something adorable like a Skitty or something.

Hey, don't spoil the Gen 9 gimmick!

 

[WeirdChillFever]

One worry. The aftermath of this reveal. I'll admit there will be some annoyances. If Min Min is the fighter I'll hear nothing but people declaring Spring Man dead and Min Min the new mascot... Even though we have no idea what the next ARMS game will be like.

If it's Spring Man we'll have people thinking the Fighters Pass 2 will have more "AT upgrades"... Even though Spring Man wasn't DLC because they wanted to upgrade an AT but just to be the rep for ARMS.

The way we (mostly me) can avoid this is if we get a fighter that isn't Spring Man or Min Min.

Ideal in this scenario would be Ribbon Girl, who would give some space to Spirits and Mii Costumes, but is still part of the mascot duo and wouldn’t cause as much uproar on the AT situation from either side.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly, I don't think Terry is the last Fighting Game rep we'll get. There are numerous big Fighting Games whose impact on the industry make them worth for some kind of representation in Smash. Some come to mind like Tekken, Guilty Gear and Mortal Kombat. I could write an entire essay on each of these and their importance within the Fighting Game industry, just like how I can for Street Fighter and the several SNK properties.

And even then, Sakurai has had an interest for a Tekken rep in Smash for a while now. And I think right now is a better time than ever.

Hmm, Fighting Game talk made me question something... Do people see the next ARMS rep as a Fighting Game rep? I actually think I kinda do, I mean hey, every game that gets featured at EVO is a Fighting Game in my book.

Nintendo always has to get creative with genres, first it was Shooters with Splatoon and now Fighting Games with ARMS. What's next?

I don't see ARMS as a fighting game as it's clearly a tech demo first and a party game second. After playing for half an hour, you've already seen all the depth the game has, it doesn't help that all the characters play the same, how the game promotes rushdown over anything else due to it impacting your frame data and opponent's reaction times and how the game's designed to be boring from a spectator perspective.

Oh and before absolute comedians bring up Divekick, comparing ARMS to a memey joke game doesn't do it any favours

 

[cool6012]

Spoiler alert: Aerith ****

I know it's a meme and all, but the remake just came out. So let people actually experience the story genuinely.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't see ARMS as a fighting game as it's clearly a tech demo first and a party game second. After playing for half an hour, you've already seen all the depth the game has, it doesn't help that all the characters play the same, how the game promotes rushdown over anything else due to it impacting your frame data and opponent's reaction times and how the game's designed to be boring from a spectator perspective.

Oh and before absolute comedians bring up Divekick, comparing ARMS to a memey joke game doesn't do it any favours

No. It is not just a tech demo, it is a full game. You may not have had fun with it but that doesn't make it not a game.

And most of the characters aren't even close to being the same. If you can't spot the difference between a character who can launch herself across the battlefield and a character who can't move much at all I don't know what to tell you.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I’d love to see Heihachi but I’m starting to think we won’t get another Namco character sadly. There’s been so many opportunities but we still haven’t seen one since Pac-Man.

Smash 4 DLC, Ultimate base roster & Fighter Pass 1 all would’ve made sense for another Namco character, but we’ve gotten nothing.

I think Namco is trying to be humble or something. They make the game so they don’t want to seem biased by throwing in more of their own characters. It’s dumb since people want Heihachi & Lloyd, but I can see that being the reason.

 

[Schnee117]

It's gatekeeper bull**** o'clock huh

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I’d love to see Heihachi but I’m starting to think we won’t get another Namco character sadly. There’s been so many opportunities but we still haven’t seen one since Pac-Man.

Smash 4 DLC, Ultimate base roster & Fighter Pass 1 all would’ve made sense for another Namco character, but we’ve gotten nothing.

I think Namco is trying to be humble or something. They make the game so they don’t want to seem biased by throwing in more of their own characters. It’s dumb since people want Heihachi & Lloyd, but I can see that being the reason.

Yeah, it's weird. You have a ton of Bamco characters, including Taizo Hori(Dig Dug), Nightmare(Soul Calibur), Heihachi(Tekken), at least 3 plausible fighters for Dark Souls(Chosen Undead, Solaire, Artorias), Agumon(Digimon), Lloyd Irving, Velvet, Cress, Yuri(Tales of), and for another smaller one like Taizo is, you have Klonoa.

And that's off the top of my head. That's not even counting Ms. Pac-Man, though the rights are weird with the character, so that could be why she's not an Echo. I'm sure there's some more Bamco options too of note.