Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I was brainstorming how they could make Urshifu work as a stance fighter. What if there was a Galarian trainer who'd switch when certain moves were used? It's be like a more seamless pokemon switch, except the two Urishu forms are clones of eachother rather then completely different characters, like Ken to Ryu or Mario to Doc. This hypothetical moveset would work best if it learns moves switching moves like U-turn and Parting Shot.

If you really wanted to, you could cut out the middle man and just have two of them working together.

 

[I.D.]

Xenoblade 2 doesn't exist so it doesn't count

I don't know about that. Look who just managed to sneak back into the top 30 of the Japanese eshop

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as the most expensive game on the list, no less.

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[Opossum]

This conversation made me remember when people argued that Robin and Lucina weren't the protagonists of Awakening.

Pretty sure, Chrom, Lucina and Robin are a trio of main characters. The story is about all three of them.

At the same time, those three are absolutely not treated as equal thirds by the story. They're all protagonists, but Chrom is 100% still the main protagonist of the three.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

At the same time, those three are absolutely not treated as equal thirds by the story. They're all protagonists, but Chrom is 100% still the main protagonist of the three.

That still doesn't mean it's correct to say that at least Robin isn't a protagonist.

 

[RileyXY1]

Rex has missed his chance. He's unlikely.

 

[Opossum]

That still doesn't mean it's correct to say that at least Robin isn't a protagonist.

Which, if you read what I said, I addressed. My point is that there's still absolutely a pecking order among them.

 

[SKX31]

That still doesn't mean it's correct to say that at least Robin isn't a protagonist.

Which, if you read what I said, I addressed. My point is that there's still absolutely a pecking order among them.

Are we gonna commit to more technical terms like Deuteragonist / Tritagonist? Those terms kind of fit the conversation, but it's not that easy to "rank" them in terms of importance.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Which, if you read what I said, I addressed. My point is that there's still absolutely a pecking order among them.

I read what you said. The fact that you were saying that Chrom is the only main protagonist was where I misinterpreted you.

Rex has missed his chance. He's unlikely.

He said after the previous two characters were revealed to be from ARMS and Fire Emblem: Three Houses.

 

[RileyXY1]

I read what you said. The fact that you were saying that Chrom is the only main protagonist was where I misinterpreted you.


He said after the previous two characters were revealed to be from ARMS and Fire Emblem: Three Houses.

That doesn't mean that Rex has any chance. XC2 is old news now with no attempt by Nintendo to revive interest. There's basically no reason to make Rex DLC, especially considering that there will probably be a XC3 in the future and that game's protagonist will become more pleasing for Nintendo.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That doesn't mean that Rex has any chance. XC2 is old news now with no attempt by Nintendo to revive interest. There's basically no reason to make Rex DLC, especially considering that there will probably be a XC3 in the future and that game's protagonist will become more pleasing for Nintendo.

that, or a potential Definitive Edition of Xenoblade X. Maybe even Xenoblade X 2, both of which would be in Elma's favor

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That doesn't mean that Rex has any chance. XC2 is old news now with no attempt by Nintendo to revive interest.

Again. ARMS.

There's basically no reason to make Rex DLC, especially considering that there will probably be a XC3 in the future and that game's protagonist will become more pleasing for Nintendo.

that, or a potential Definitive Edition of Xenoblade X. Maybe even Xenoblade X 2, both of which would be in Elma's favor

Xenoblade Chronicles 3 is very likely a ways out, and Xenoblade Chronicles X/Xenoblade Chronicles X 2 are completely unknown variables airing on the side of "not happening right now". They might could have picked a Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition character instead, but I don't think Rex is completely out of the running just yet, especially if he makes an appearance in the new Future Connected storyline.

 

[RileyXY1]

Again. ARMS.



Xenoblade Chronicles 3 is very likely a ways out, and Xenoblade Chronicles X/Xenoblade Chronicles X 2 are completely unknown variables airing on the side of "not happening right now". They might could have picked a Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition character instead, but I don't think Rex is completely out of the running just yet, especially if he makes an appearance in the new Future Connected storyline.

ARMS is different, as Nintendo has shown clear interest in supporting that game long term, which they aren't doing the same for XC2.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

ARMS is different, as Nintendo has shown clear interest in supporting that game long term, which they aren't doing the same for XC2.

Uh...No they haven't. ARMS received nothing after the Dr. Coyle update, and the game wasn't pushed until the fact that the next fighter is from ARMS was unveiled. And even so, it was just a short Demo.

 

[RileyXY1]

Uh...No they haven't. ARMS received nothing after the Dr. Coyle update, and the game wasn't pushed until the fact that the next fighter is from ARMS was unveiled. And even so, it was just a short Demo.

Rex is also a DLC Mii Fighter costume, which was literally put in because he couldn't be playable because of timing.

 

[Goombaic]

I highly doubt Xenoblade X Definitive or 2 will be pumped out within the DLC's timeframe. It'd be cool, but there's nothing suggesting that will be the case.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Rex is also a DLC Mii Fighter costume, which was literally put in because he couldn't be playable because of timing.

And the same is the case with ARMS content, but it's still getting DLC from the game.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I highly doubt Xenoblade X Definitive or 2 will be pumped out within the DLC's timeframe. It'd be cool, but there's nothing suggesting that will be the case.

A Xenoblade X port is highly feasible imo. Especially between now and December of 2021

 

[frozolloyd]

that, or a potential Definitive Edition of Xenoblade X. Maybe even Xenoblade X 2, both of which would be in Elma's favor

Considering it took the original Xenoblade 10 years before getting a remaster, I highly doubt they would do a Definitive Edition of Xenoblade X after only 5 years. For that matter, most remasters take at least 10 years before they get remastered, with the exception of Persona games. Someone correct me if there is another series I forgot. And also considering they JUST put out the Xenoblade Definitive edition out last week, I doubt they have another Xenoblade game ready to be released in the next 2 years. Just 2 cents though.

Edit: Also for those wondering about a direct port, Takahashi from Monosoft in an interview has stated that it would be very difficult to port the game to switch, which is usually PR talk for its not happening.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ollieb...ade-chronicles-x-on-the-switch-anytime-soon/#5199e9a3811e

 

[GillyGrime]

Shower thought:

We're so bloody lucky before the game launch that assist trophy footage wasn't leaked of say Isaac/Waluigi/Bomberman attacking/grabbing/being K.O.ed. People would've seen Nintendo remove the footage and confidently assumed the character was in only to be crushed.

The backlash and salt would be significant even by Smash fanbase standards.

 

[♕Pretty Roger♕]

And the same is the case with ARMS content, but it's still getting DLC from the game.

But ARMS is a new IP that didn't release any games since base game, Xenoblade did release new things, which could take priority.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

A Xenoblade X port is highly feasible imo. Especially between now and December of 2021

It's been stated that a Xenoblade Chronicles X port would be difficult, and that a remaster would be more likely.

 

[Trevenant]

That doesn't mean that Rex has any chance. XC2 is old news now with no attempt by Nintendo to revive interest. There's basically no reason to make Rex DLC, especially considering that there will probably be a XC3 in the future and that game's protagonist will become more pleasing for Nintendo.

'That doesn't mean ARMS has any chance. ARMS is old news with no attempt by Nintendo to revive interest. There's basically no reason to make ARMS DLC especially considering that there will probably be an ARMS 2 in the future and the games mascot would be more pleasing for Nintendo '. And yes I am fully aware the last part about the ARMS 2 crap makes little to no sense but I wanted to alter the whole post so ignore that if you don't agree.

 

[I.D.]

XC2 is old news now with no attempt by Nintendo to revive interest.

https://japanesenintendo.com/2020/05/13/nintendo-catalog-ticket-magazine-advert-5/

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-2975#post-23958617

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

But ARMS is a new IP that didn't release any games since base game, Xenoblade did release new things, which could take priority.

And again, Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Addition could get a character instead, but I don't think Rex is out of the running, especially if he makes an appearance in the Future Connected storyline.

EDIT: I also think it's worth noting that while someone like Riki or Fiora could boost the sales of Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition, Rex & Pyra/Mythra could boost the sales of both Xenoblade Chronicles 2, and it's DLC/standalone prequel Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna ~ The Golden Country.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

At the same time, those three are absolutely not treated as equal thirds by the story. They're all protagonists, but Chrom is 100% still the main protagonist of the three.

I'd argue Chrom and Robin are equally the main protagonist.

I'll agree that Lucina is a little lower on the totem pole, but she's still a protagonist of the game.

 

[Digital Hazard]

Honestly, if any Xenoblade character didn't get unfairly pushed aside, that would not be Rex. Again, he was too late for the base game, and no, Byleth doesn't counts since they're DLC and their game released post Ultimate so there was an actual planning window.

Instead the one who really got nothing was Elma. Or you could argue the avatar, but either of the two.

X was already out for years then and thus was the latest Xenoblade at the moment. Then again, I guess unlike Splatoon, not having anything on Switch didn't give them as much of a chance.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly, if any Xenoblade character didn't get unfairly pushed aside, that would not be Rex. Again, he was too late for the base game, and no, Byleth doesn't counts since they're DLC and their game released post Ultimate so there was an actual planning window.

Instead the one who really got nothing was Elma. Or you could argue the avatar, but either of the two.

X was already out for years then and thus was the latest Xenoblade at the moment. Then again, I guess unlike Splatoon, not having anything on Switch didn't give them as much of a chance.

Um. Yes it does. It still appeared way too late for character consideration for the base roster, and both Byleth and Rex & Pyra/Mythra were available for consideration for DLC, with the latter's game not still being in development upon the DLC roster's consideration.

Really, both games got snubbed.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Considering it took the original Xenoblade 10 years before getting a remaster, I highly doubt they would do a Definitive Edition of Xenoblade X after only 5 years. For that matter, most remasters take at least 10 years before they get remastered, with the exception of Persona games. Someone correct me if there is another series I forgot. And also considering they JUST put out the Xenoblade Definitive edition out last week, I doubt they have another Xenoblade game ready to be released in the next 2 years. Just 2 cents though.

Edit: Also for those wondering about a direct port, Takahashi from Monosoft in an interview has stated that it would be very difficult to port the game to switch, which is usually PR talk for its not happening.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ollieb...ade-chronicles-x-on-the-switch-anytime-soon/#5199e9a3811e

that was in 2018. things may have changed since then. also, Tokyo Mirage Sessions Encore found a workaround for the gamepad, who's to say an X Remaster can't do the same?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Honestly, if any Xenoblade character didn't get unfairly pushed aside, that would not be Rex. Again, he was too late for the base game, and no, Byleth doesn't counts since they're DLC and their game released post Ultimate so there was an actual planning window.

Instead the one who really got nothing was Elma. Or you could argue the avatar, but either of the two.

X was already out for years then and thus was the latest Xenoblade at the moment. Then again, I guess unlike Splatoon, not having anything on Switch didn't give them as much of a chance.

As awesome as Elma would be, I don't think she got unfairly pushed aside. She was just out-prioritized for base roster (remember there were only six unique newcomers), and now that DLC is an option, Rex is arguably the more monetarily profitable choice.

Like many awesome characters, its just bad timing. That's really it.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Rex has missed his chance. He's unlikely.

If that was the case we wouldn't be getting a Arms rep. Rex is still alive for now.

A Xenoblade X port is highly feasible imo. Especially between now and December of 2021

It would just be better for Monolith Soft to make a Xenoblade X: Definitive Edition at this point since all the Chronicles games are already on the Switch in this format.

Shower thought:

We're so bloody lucky before the game launch that assist trophy footage wasn't leaked of say Isaac/Waluigi/Bomberman attacking/grabbing/being K.O.ed. People would've seen Nintendo remove the footage and confidently assumed the character was in only to be crushed.

The backlash and salt would be significant even by Smash fanbase standards.

That would have been Ridley bad. I'll see my self out now.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

that was in 2018. things may have changed since then. also, Tokyo Mirage Sessions Encore found a workaround for the gamepad, who's to say an X Remaster can't do the same?

I wouldn't say it can't (Frontier Nav could just be a menu), but Tokyo Mirage Sessions # FE Encore wouldn't really change the decision on whether or not to port Xenoblade Chronicles X, and we have no indication that the decision has changed. For now, the official word is that it's a remaster or bust.

EDIT: There's also no guarantee that it would be finished this or next year.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Honestly, the only Wii U games that couldn't be ported to Switch are Star Fox Zero and Nintendo Land because both titles are built around the gamepad.

Which is a real shame cause, Nintendo Land is ****ing baller!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I wouldn't say it can't (Frontier Nav could just be a menu), but Tokyo Mirage Sessions # FE Encore wouldn't really change the decision on whether or not to port Xenoblade Chronicles X, and we have no indication that the decision has changed. For now, the official word is that it's a remaster or bust.

so...remaster it is, I say. there's a lot of cut content from the vanilla version they can expand on in a remaster. like, the time attack boss Neilnail Furvus has no context in vanilla, you can give it context in a DE. same for

Spoiler: X spoilers

Celica and Lao having cut post battle banter. this is impossible to hear in game without hacking as Lao leaves long before Celica joins

 

[Digital Hazard]

Um. Yes it does. It still appeared way too late for character consideration for the base roster, and both Byleth and Rex & Pyra/Mythra were available for consideration for DLC, with the latter's game not still being in development upon the DLC roster's consideration.

Really, both games got snubbed.

No.

XBC2 was released before Ultimate, but it's development was still too late for Sakurai's planning of the base roster. Three Houses was a game released post-Ultimate's launch, of a series that sells more and thus gets more prioritized than most; development window is simply more beneficial from both a commercial and time standpoint.

2 was snubbed by being too late, X has not much reason why it got as such besides the little likelihood of it appearing on Switch.

 

[DarthEnderX]

But ARMS is a new IP that didn't release any games since base game, Xenoblade did release new things, which could take priority.

Series that aren't repped at all should always take priority over series that have already been repped.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

X has not much reason why it got as such besides the little likelihood of it appearing on Switch.

I wonder if X's rumored bad reception in Japan is to blame for it being out prioritized.

That said, when you have to compete with for a slot, its hard not to be out prioritized.

 

[Dinoman96]

Yeah, Elma may of had a better shot at getting in if it wasn't for "Everyone is here!".

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

so...remaster it is, I say. there's a lot of cut content from the vanilla version they can expand on in a remaster. like, the time attack boss Neilnail Furvus has no context in vanilla, you can give it context in a DE. same for

Spoiler: X spoilers

Celica and Lao having cut post battle banter. this is impossible to hear in game without hacking as Lao leaves long before Celica joins

I personally think the game deserves a remaster more than any of Nintendo's other Wii U exclusives/former Wii U exclusives. The gameplay is solid, but there are various glaring issues such as Overdrive being explained poorly, stats not being explained at all, high level enemies next to low level story quest objectives, Hope Springs Eternal being set in freaking Cauldros, etc.

No.

XBC2 was released before Ultimate, but it's development was still too late for Sakurai's planning of the base roster. Three Houses was a game released post-Ultimate's launch, of a series that sells more and thus gets more prioritized than most; development window is simply more beneficial from both a commercial and time standpoint.

That doesn't change the fact that the games were in similar situations (neither existed during Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's planning stages), and that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was pushed aside. Same thing with ARMS, except now it's in.

 

[Cosmic77]

Even though I'm not personally sold on Rex just yet, I do think it's still possible. I don't see Nintendo promoting XC2 to the same extent as ARMS and Splatoon 2, but they might want to add Rex for the sake of keeping the momentum going for the next Xenoblade game.

With all that said, it's either Rex or nothing. The hard truth is that there's very little reason for them to choose a character from a Wii U game that wasn't exactly beloved by fans in Japan. The only way I see XCX getting a character is if there's some kind of remake for the Switch within the next two years, and that by itself is a long shot.

 

[Digital Hazard]

That doesn't change the fact that the games were in similar situations (neither existed during Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's planning stages), and that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was pushed aside. Same thing with ARMS, except now it's in.

It does, because one was available for a post-launch DLC window and thus it would get prioritized, while the other didn't.

And ARMS is a recent IP with moderate success that Nintendo has been interesting to promote more in recent times, Xenoblade doesn't requires that as much post-Shulk in Smash, and the time and financial window just wasn't favorable for XBC2 at the time of both Ultimate's development and the first Fighters Pass.

Not saying Rex can't be in FP2, Sakurai would have after all had time been better, but it all falls on Nintendo's choice right now, and wether they're interested to invest more on XBC2 at this moment.