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"Never" seems like a pretty strong word for something so subjective; Bayonetta's inclusion was extremely exciting for me.
I think Shulk's reveal was also a pretty strong one too*. Xenoblade Chronicles may be more niche than other franchises, but it had enough die hard fans in other regions to warrant a localization. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially for such a dialogue heavy game.

*Shulk was the last character revealed before Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3Ds came out.
 

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Just saying don't be surprised if 81 is yet again another Fire Emblem character or an Pokemon character.
I actually will be legitimately surprised if Nintendo is really going out of their way to make everyone hate this new Fighter's Pass. :4pacman:
 

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"Never" seems like a pretty strong word for something so subjective; Bayonetta's inclusion was extremely exciting for me.
She also happened to be paired with what many consider to be the worst reveal in the history of the franchise. Not to mention that while I like Bayonetta and think she should be in the game, having the ballot winner be a third party character Nintendo just so happened to already be publishing on Wii U, especially now that we know that Snake and certain other characters did better than her according to Sakurai, might not have been the best way to end things. In hindsight the fact that Sakurai was outright asked to do Ultimate by Iwata while he was still working on DLC and that he went all in on making Ultimate focusing more on the ballot, what fans wanted, and fixing Smash 4's issues makes that alot more bearable.

As for the last character? If they are doing another promotional character like Corrin or Byleth that's where it's going to be. It just makes the most sense, they need to be developed while their own game is still being worked on so they'll likely come later to make sure everything turns out good, Sakurai even talked about that a bit with Byleth. I'm hoping Nintendo doesn't go that route again but I can't really get my hopes up.
 
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I actually will be legitimately surprised if Nintendo is really going out of their way to make everyone hate this new Fighter's Pass. :4pacman:
Jokes aside, I'd legitimately be surprised if we get another Fire Emblem character. Period. There's no real reason for Nintendo to want to add one. A Pokémon is plausible, but a Fire Emblem character? No way.
 

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Just saying don't be surprised if 81 is yet again another Fire Emblem character or an Pokemon character.
Well, it's very unlikely we're getting another FE game anytime soon, so I think Pokemon is all people have to worry about.

I mean, unless you think Nintendo genuinely cares enough to go back and promote SoV or Heroes, two games that have been out far longer than 3H.
 

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DLC ends its run by the end of 2021.

Sylux or BotW2 character confirmed due to promotional picks? Depending if its released at or close to end of the year.
 
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So funnily enough, base game had six non-echo newcomers, PP and FP1 had six non-echo newcomers and FP2 is going to have six non-echo newcomers.

...Coincidence?!
 

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DLC ends its run by the end of 2021.

Sylux or BotW2 character confirmed? Depending if its released at or close to end of the year.
I've talked about this before but I legitimately wonder if Nintendo thought about adding Sylux as the promotional pick in Pass 1 but it got taken off the table after Prime 4 got restarted. Him not having a Spirit is extremely weird, especially given he is confirmed to play a major part in Prime 4 based on the endings of Prime 3 and Federation Force. We'll just have to see how things play out.
 
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Unless in 2021 we get yet again another Fire Emblem game announced...Then it could be yet again another Fire Emblem character.
 

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Just saying don't be surprised if 81 is yet again another Fire Emblem character or an Pokemon character.
I actually will be legitimately surprised if Nintendo is really going out of their way to make everyone hate this new Fighter's Pass. :4pacman:
We've never had a Pokemon newcomer as DLC.
In fact, considering it is the most profitable MEDIA FRANCHISE of all time, beating out the MCU, Star Wars, and legitimately all other franchises- I cannot believe Nintendo has never cashed in on this.

We've only ever gotten a single Pokemon DLC at all. Please, don't compare this to Fire Emblem. (ROY, CORRIN, BYLETH)
It's not at all equivalent.

Which is the same reason why I highly doubt a Pokemon would receive overall negative criticism. I think you're speaking from a lot of personal bias (which of course- you could say I am, seeing as my avatar is me as Ash Ketchum.)
 
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Here's a little Monkey Paw challenge:

You are granted the honour of getting your most wanted in... But in exchange they replace Xander Mobus with this Guy as the new Smash announcer:


Are you in the deal or out? (If you already got your most wanted as in my case you are free of the challenge).
 
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We've never had a Pokemon newcomer as DLC.
In fact, considering it is the most profitable MEDIA FRANCHISE of all time, beating out the MCU, Star Wars, and legitimately all other franchises- I cannot believe Nintendo has never cashed in on this.

We've only ever gotten a single Pokemon DLC at all. Please, don't compare this to Fire Emblem. (ROY, CORRIN, BYLETH)
It's not at all equivalent.
There's always an first time and its not out of the realm of possibility of promoting an Gen 8 Pokemon.
 

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Here's a little Monkey Paw challenge:

You are granted the honour of getting your most wanted in... But in exchange they replace Xander Mobus with this Guy as the new Smash announcer:


Are you in the deal or out? (If you already got your most wanted as in my case you are free of the challenge).
What is the downside here?
 

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Here's a little Monkey Paw challenge:

You are granted the honour of getting your most wanted in... But in exchange they replace Xander Mobius with this Guy as the new Smash announcer:


Are you in the deal or out? (If you already got your most wanted as in my case you are free of the challenge).
There's no downside to this. I'd let my least wanted in for this.
 

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Yeah, I was also excited for Bayonetta since she kinda was the second SEGA-owned character to be playable in Smash.

And It could have opened the gate to seeing even more SEGA content in Ultimate (which I really welcomed, although hopefully we get some more Mii costumes and some Spirit events).
TBF it kind of did? Persona got in, there are three new ATs (Knuckles, Rodin, Akira), and Bayonetta got an expanded number of Spirits (as compared to the number of trophies the series had in 4). Then again, it wasn't much - the new Sonic content was basically Knuckles, a couple new songs and an additional reminder that Forces exists (Infinite's Spirit).

I never really cared for Bayo, and her timing just made everything worse. Things worked out well in the end, but Nintendo really shouldn't have taken Smash 4's final character as an opportunity to promote a third-party franchise they were funding at the same time a special ballot was being held.

Probably would've been best if they saved her for Ultimate.
I disagree.

My main reason why is because we got the glorious moment where Sakurai shook his head.
Seriously though, I don't get the impression 4 had the same kind of DLC deadline Ultimate's Passes had. We should remember that :4bayonetta: was released December 15th, 2015 and Bayonetta 2 was released in September / October 2014. That's probably enough time to assess "Hey, this game is a critical darling!" and further convince Nintendo's head honchos (and probably Sakurai) that she had a good claim to a DLC spot even if one takes out the ballot as a factor.
 
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DLC ends its run by the end of 2021.

Sylux or BotW2 character confirmed? Depending if its released at or close to end of the year.
I wouldn't bet on a Metroid Prime 4 character. The game started it's development last year, and while it's plausible for development to finish by 2021, it is a huge toss up.

Unless in 2021 we get yet again another Fire Emblem game announced...Then it could be yet again another Fire Emblem character.
I've said this before, but there's no way Nintendo would be tone deaf enough to try and get people hyped on a remake that literally just started development by giving them a character they have made clear they don't want.

As for a new game, this wouldn't be feasible at all. The character would still be in the design process.
 
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DLC ends its run by the end of 2021.

Sylux or BotW2 character confirmed due to promotional picks? Depending if its released at or close to end of the year.
Fans: "GIVE US ANOTHER ZELDA CHARACTER SAKURAI, IT'S BEEN NINETEEN YEARS!"

*Botw releases, considered by many to be the best game of all time*

*sequel announced. The world hiccups in eagerness*

*BOTW2 character gets in*

FANS: Why do we have this nonsense promotion character?
 
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BotW 2 could get a character, but Nintendo would really have to collaborate with the developers of the game.

Unlike Pokemon and FE, two franchises that reliably add new characters each game that would make sense in Smash, there's no guarantee Zelda will have a reasonable new character. That could cause them to be hesitant.
 
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Please Sakurai add this banger to Smash. I just finished P5 Royal and it basically improves everything in comparison to P5 vanilla, and the new story was amazing. I have this song in my head since yesterday, lol.

 
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Please Sakurai add this banger to Smash. I just finished P5 Royal and it basically improves everything in comparison to P5 vanilla, and the new story was amazing. I have this song in my head since yesterday, lol.

I'm really looking forward to playing Royal too!

If I manage to pick It soon It will be my first Persona game besides the demo for Strikers. And I'm quite excited about It since everywhere I go I see people talking about how good the game is!

The addition of an official spanish translation to the new version is also a really welcomed plus!
 

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BotW 2 could get a character, but Nintendo would really have to collaborate with the developers of the game.

Unlike Pokemon and FE, two franchises that reliably add new characters each game that would male sense in Smash, there's no guarantee Zelda will have a new character who makes sense. That could cause them to be hesitant.
It'd probably go like this:

Nintendo: Does the game have a character we could use in Smash?
*Devs say yes*
Nintendo: Great! Let's do it!
OR
*Devs say no*
Nintendo: Too bad. Guess we'll have to look elsewhere.

Hopefully if option 1 happens, the character they pick isn't Zelda unless she's a super breakout hit. Like, she has to be playable or something, and everyone has to love her. Otherwise Zelda fans will still feel gypped because their roster is still Link, Link, Link, Zelda, Zelda (in disguise), Zelda, Falcondorf.
 

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There's always an first time and its not out of the realm of possibility of promoting an Gen 8 Pokemon.
Yes... my point was that it's not comparable.

A Pokemon would be a welcomed addition by many- such as the people who spent 70 billion dollars 'gotta catching them all' for the past 25 years.
 

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Jokes aside, I'd legitimately be surprised if we get another Fire Emblem character. Period. There's no real reason for Nintendo to want to add one. A Pokémon is plausible, but a Fire Emblem character? No way.
It's obviously Leif time baybeeeeee, finally in after getting his slot stolen two times

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I disagree.

My main reason why is because we got the glorious moment where Sakurai shook his head.
Seriously though, I don't get the impression 4 had the same kind of DLC deadline Ultimate's Passes had. We should remember that :4bayonetta: was released December 15th, 2015 and Bayonetta 2 was released in September / October 2014. That's probably enough time to assess "Hey, this game is a critical darling!" and further convince Nintendo's head honchos (and probably Sakurai) that she had a good claim to a DLC spot even if one takes out the ballot as a factor.
What Nintendo/Sakurai thought of Bayonetta's game doesn't really matter. They presented the ballot as if it would influence Smash 4's DLC. In reality, it had absolutely no effect on which characters we got, as they had already made a decision when the ballot was announced.

Again, things worked out well in the end, but I still think Bayo should've been saved for Ultimate instead so her spot could go to someone more popular. Would've been better to acknowledge the fans with just one character who was blatantly popular than to leave everyone in the dark for over two years and add the fan requests then.
 

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It'd probably go like this:

Nintendo: Does the game have a character we could use in Smash?
*Devs say yes*
Nintendo: Great! Let's do it!
OR
*Devs say no*
Nintendo: Too bad. Guess we'll have to look elsewhere.

Hopefully if option 1 happens, the character they pick isn't Zelda unless she's a super breakout hit. Like, she has to be playable or something, and everyone has to love her. Otherwise Zelda fans will still feel gypped because their roster is still Link, Link, Link, Zelda, Zelda (in disguise), Zelda, Falcondorf.
We'll have to wait and see what characters are in the game. There's a good chance the non-Hylian species will return, so hopefully we'll get some Zora, Rito, and Goron characters that have a decent role in the game.
 

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Please Sakurai add this banger to Smash. I just finished P5 Royal and it basically improves everything in comparison to P5 vanilla, and the new story was amazing. I have this song in my head since yesterday, lol.

Here I am hoping Sega as a whole gets anything new in this pass since it's their anniversary this year.

And they have 2 big JRPG's to promote this year so there's 2 candidates on the table already.
(Well 3 JRPG's but Joker is already in smash)
 
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What Nintendo/Sakurai thought of Bayonetta's game doesn't really matter. They presented the ballot as if it would influence Smash 4's DLC. In reality, it had absolutely no effect on which characters we got, as they had already made a decision when the ballot was announced.

Again, things worked out well in the end, but I still think Bayo should've been saved for Ultimate instead so her spot could go to someone more popular. Would've been better to acknowledge the fans with just one character who was blatantly popular than to leave everyone in the dark for over two years and add the fan requests then.
While presenting Bayo as the ballot DLC winner seems wonky indeed, we have to remember the ballot's very criteria was not fully explained and Nintendo's official statement implied Bayo was the top "realizable" pick (IIRC) - which wasn't fully explained.

Still, at the time of the ballot Bayonetta 2 was getting quite a bit of attention too. Sure, views on Youtube videos didn't translate to sales at all, but it doesn't strike me as too odd that a lot of people would've had Bayonetta on their minds when filling in the Ballot. Even if some weren't planning on buying a Wii U for Bayonetta 2 (Smash 3DS raked in 9 million units sold and Wii U 5 million, there's a decent chunk of people who didn't get Smash Wii U) it's not out of the question.

This is taking Nintendo's words at face value (which has risks), but it's not unfeasible that Bayo indeed won the ballot. Or at least, won amongst those Nintendo and Sakurai could indeed work in (for whatever reason).
 

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My IRL friends play Smash casually and they found Isabelle's inclussion nice.

There, a fair reason to consider the possibility of many casual players not disliking Isabelle.
Well I'm convinced!

That said, "nice" and "not DISliking" is basically the same as not really caring. Which was my original statement to begin with. Tha the casual response isn't any more enthusiastic than the NY Nintendo store response.
 
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How would you react if we got Sigurd instead?

I remember someone at a server I was in really wanting Sigurd.
If i remember correctly from Chronobound's posts around Smash 4 pre-release days, i remember him saying Sigurd was popular in the Pre-Brawl days...............but for the wrong reasons.
 

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I'm expecting these 6 for the Second Fighters Pass,

Slot 6:Ribbon Girl
Slot 7:Rayman
Slot 8:Gen 8 Pokemon
Slot 9:Rex and Pyra
Slot 10:Waluigi
Slot 11:Geno
 

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I'm expecting these 6 for the Second Fighters Pass,

Slot 6:Ribbon Girl
Slot 7:Rayman
Slot 8:Gen 8 Pokemon
Slot 9:Rex and Pyra
Slot 10:Waluigi
Slot 11:Geno
Why would the ARMS rep not be Spring Man but we still get an AT promoted?
 

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I'm expecting these 6 for the Second Fighters Pass,

Slot 6:Ribbon Girl
Slot 7:Rayman
Slot 8:Gen 8 Pokemon
Slot 9:Rex and Pyra
Slot 10:Waluigi
Slot 11:Geno
Why did you expect two mario reps and a gen 8 pokemon, they're not joining the FP2 to me.
 

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If there is one assist trophy upgrade that happens Sukurai will want to shut up Waluigi fans first.
 

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So funnily enough, base game had six non-echo newcomers, PP and FP1 had six non-echo newcomers and FP2 is going to have six non-echo newcomers.

...Coincidence?!
Probably, but I'm sure people will start making some dumb theories that they're all correlated whenever another one gets revealed. In fact, let's do it NOW!

FP#1: Cartoony first-party character (Inkling/Piranha Plant/ARMS)
FP#2: Edgy (Ridley/Joker/???)
FP#3: Church-going character (Simon/Hero/???)
FP#4: Rareware (K. Rool/Banjo/???)
FP#5: Association with dogs (Isabelle/Terry "Hungry Wolf"/???)
FP#6: Uh Oh, Stinky (Incineroar/Byleth/???)

With that in mind, my prediction for the next Fighter's Pass is The Antagonist from Hatred, Bibleman, the Battletoads, Goofy, and Reimu Hakurei.
 
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First of all i'm in the camp that say a Gen 8 Pokemon is a given for Fighters pass volume 2,Second of all Geno is a Square rep not a Mario Rep.
 
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