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I don't understand how not caring for a character means Sakurai won't make them playable. Sakurai never showed any interest in Banjo & Kazooie, yet they're playable characters in Ultimate. If there is an opportunity to get Geno, he will most likely take that opportunity to please the fans, much like Banjo & Kazooie.
Except Sakurai didn't add Banjo and Kazooie. Nintendo did.
The issue is that can apply to most of Square Enix's catalogue. And specifically did to just Cloud and Hero, both from franchises that Square Enix was keen to work with Nintendo on. Geno just simply doesn't have a representative at Square Enix the way Banjo & Kazooie did at Microsoft, and Square Enix also inherently is just way more tied to Nintendo since Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest started and have been on Nintendo consoles for decades.
I would love to see Isaac/Hans in Smash. Could be quite a fun character and hopefully tie with a Future Golden Sun title.
I've already been over this to some degree, but again, that number of players is not the true number for Smash as many people bought both versions and people had no clue just how much the ballot was going to impact things (not to mention the inherent issues with holding the ballot data as particularly valuable). 5 years is a long ****ing time too, like that's a longer period than US Presidential elections for reference, and the world of Smash and Nintendo has changed in massive ways since 2015. In 2015, Nintendo was struggling to make the Wii U relevant and relying on the 3DS, now they're currently posting record breaking sales that are better than anything we've seen from any gaming company in a decade. People just simply aren't monoliths like that, and tastes and desires have changed or have been met. It's not completely invalidated, but outdated is a fair assessment considering just how much can change in 5 years and specifically how much has changed for Smash in those 5 years.
For the “does not hint at rex” sentence, I guess you meant to add, “despite ARMS getting in as DLC”? Even then, imo ARMS getting in doesn’t guarantee Spring Man. Spring Man can remain an AT and we could still get another ARMS character like Min Min
Yeah, I didn't feel like I needed to add that in; ARMS does not guarantee Rex at all. And I agree we could get someone entirely different from ARMS (I may be mistaken but I thought Sakurai referred to it as "Rex and an ARMS character" and not "Rex and Springman"). I agree with the fact that it could be ANY ARMS character.
That's not entirely true. If he says something's not happening, it's not happening. Now, it's not never happening, he's gone back on his word on lots of things, but he's not lying to us.
Except we don't actually know the results of the ballot, and 4 of the characters new to ultimate didn't exist at the time of the ballot, while another absolutely was not a front runner
I mean, I agree with you. But some people usually brings the "Sakurai said he wants Geno" argument, and I just thought that we don't even know if he's still interested in the character.
I do agree that Geno doesn't have a vocal representative to back him up like Banjo & Kazooie did but I don't think that entirely means they don't show any interest in him. Having a Mii costume and a spirit of him shows that they were willing to let Sakurai and Nintendo use the rights to his character. Other than that we don't truly know what either company thinks of Geno. He could be the next character they choose or the last character they'll ever think to choose. We won't know until Fighter Pass 2 is over.
"difficult to obtain fan request" That's quite curious. In what way? We've seen Square Enix happily allow Sakurai the use of four Dragon Quest heroes and allowed them to fight each other which was, before Ultimate something that would never happen in any other game or in the series itself. Square Enix hasn't shown to be very stingy (Like many other people, including myself thought they were) when it came to Super Smash Bros. Maybe they were compliant because Nintendo was interested in bringing their two biggest franchises into Smash Bros but we don't know if that's all that motivated them.
I know this is ignoring nearly your entire post but I don't think the gap between Phoenix and Dante is that significant. He has been THE Capcom character people wanted for years after Mega Man, even when Monster Hunter was at its peak. Phoenix and Dante are at equal levels of demand, Phoenix hasn't really lost that much support, the demand for Dante has just grown a lot which is bound to happen when new entries to a series are made (see Doomguy).
Honestly, pretty sure that you make a ballot right now, Phoenix still beats Dante by a noticeable margin. It's not like those fans went anywhere.
I seem to recall him explicitly saying Spring Man. If so, I think he may choose a different ARMS character. It’s likely the final Party Crash Bash may have made him consider someone else
Pretty sure he just said that ARMS couldn't make it. I don't remember him saying anything in particular about Spring Man.
I believe the word you were looking for was “quartet”.
I would find Crash Bandicoot a cool pick for Smash, as someone who used to be a fan of his series.
They're already selling glorified skins with Mii fighters but whatever.
Eh I wouldn't say that's quite right. Dante's demand has only been growing ever since DMC5's release and the rumors before Byleth cemented him as a big name. I think Phoenix might have a slight edge over him, but I think their popularities are mostly the same.
Actually, the rumors before Byleth were kinda the start of his popularity, as he was extremely slept on before that.
It's possible, but as a fan of both characters, I still think Phoenix has more popularity within the Smash fanbase, even it's by a little margin. Which is normal because Phoenix is already popular by himself, has more ties with Nintendo and therefore, the demand for the character existed long before Dante started to be considered as a likely candidate. And while certainly the return of Devil May Cry with 5, which was a success, made Dante more popular in the community, it wasn't until they announced Devil May Cry 1 for the Switch a year ago when people slowly started to really talk about Dante in Smash.
Maybe some free Assist Trophies would be pretty neat. It would be a great way to give representation to characters and franchises that won’t be getting in as fighters but allow them to participate in battles more directly then if they where just Spirits.
Well yeah, Kamiya created both characters, but he only directed the first DMC and he doesn't work at Capcom anymore, so in the end Nintendo wouldn't need his approval to put Dante in the game. And while his Dante and post-Kamiya Dante aren't completely different characters, when people thinks of Dante the "wacky yoohoo pizza man" version of him is the first thing that comes to the minds of the fans, and that Dante is basically DMC3-5.
I mean, there's a difference between being interested in him and saying "You brought us money, you can have a Geno costume, as a little treat." There is no public record of Square Enix even acknowledging Geno's existence, let alone supporting him for Smash. That's an incredibly stark contrast to Phil Spencer on Twitter literally saying he would support Banjo & Kazooie in Smash while leading the Xbox team that would directly have ties into getting them into Smash, especially at exactly the same time the Smash Ballot was starting, and then reconfirming that two additional times after the fact, and Square Enix literally never acknowledging the character. The absolute best case for Geno we can assume is pure neutrality on Square Enix's part. Square Enix gave him in a largely insignificant way to Sakurai to put in tertiary roles in Smash 4 and Ultimate when asked, but that's business and not inherently indicative of interest in him. They're as interested as the money given to them requires them to be based upon what we've seen so far.
I mean, it helps that Dante is just coming off the heels of the incredibly successful and much beloved DMCV that just revived the franchise and brought him back to people's attention after taking almost a decade on the sidelines.
Hey, yeah! Maybe some Assist Trophies for the characters who ARE DLC fighters, as well!
Well I Don't know if there really any new Xenoblade 1 spirits to add, but i will say is it probably won't affect Rex too much unless there's new Xenoblade 2 Spirits included with it
