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Nah the rabbids sales are documented seperate and are around 14 mil. Rayman's 26 (which last I heard may be up to 30 but don't quote me on that) mil is just from his games. He may not be a little under megaman but still an icon none the less. We've had less popular characters join like Terry so I don't see a problem.
I agree, though it seems like most people see it differently compared to ten years ago. We've flipped from being critical toward third-parties to being critical toward first-parties.
Geno will always be a perfect addition.
Ow. It burns...
And a fantastic addition.
I AGREE.
I can't tell if I've been genuinely or comedically misinterpreted...
Yeah, Imma ask for your sources on that. Haven't found anything that indicates anywhere near that amount of sales, hell, the only Rayman game I can find that sold over 2mil is the first one, and given how the series consists of five games (2 of which flopped) and a bunch of low-key spin-offs, I have a hard time seeing it reach those high numbers. And I'm pretty sure whatever source on the Rabbids' sales is outdated, because Ubi's 2019 sales report has them at 20+ million.
I don’t expect the blocky chest to be too accurate.
I made a quick image for the Reimu colors I'd want because why not though its not the best.
They are documented separately, but it doesnt mean that the games arent Rayman games. They are Rayman spinoff games.
How is comparing him to Terry bogus? Prior to smash Rayman was definitely more known than Terry
Everyone talks about classic characters that can get revived in Smash...
What was that?
It's completely gone as far as I'm concerned.
My whole point was that they're documented seperate and not part of Rayman's sales figures and wasn't trying to initiate any arguements. And also that it's silly that some say he isn't iconic enough when we've gotten characters who can arguebly be less iconic. People don't have to like Rayman and I'm not here to force that but I think it's a little unfair to say he's hella unknown and such
He is the face of one of the most prominent developers in gaming.
My man!
You're The Man Now Dog!
Don't worry, you can still be the man now, dog.
I ain't comparing him to MegaMan but he's still iconic dude.
Wait, I thought we were Groot.
Cause we're free to push for who we want and there's still plenty of who want Rayman in the game? Nintendo and Ubisoft have a good relationship and combined with Rayman being a decently high demand, it could happen even if he isn't very iconic in Japan.yeah I'm sorry, I like Rayman's games well enough but I just don't see him as Smash material.
I'm just repeating myself here but what I think Rayman fans should realize is that his franchise just barely even exists in Japan. Not many of his games were released there and the ones that did sold astronomically poorly. I just don't see why Nintendo would be interested in a third party character that holds little to no value in their home country.
People say "well obviously it would be to strengthen their relationship with Ubisoft!"...but like, Ubisoft's relationship with Nintendo has already been commemorated in Smash. With Mii costumes.
I mean really, if you're going to add another 90s nostalgic platformer mascot, why not just go with Crash Bandicoot instead? He's way more popular/iconic than Rayman and unlike most western game series, was actually successful in Japan when his games originally came out there during the 90s.
Thank you! This thread seems to put down Rayman a little too often when he pops up in here so it's good to see others that aren't writing him off just cause he isn't the most iconic.
Origins is actually the game I realized he'd be great in smash and it lays the ground work for what his standard attacks could be. Though when it comes to specials I think they could pull alot from the original trilogy, have Murphy assist him, or get creative with the whole limbless concept. The man has insane moveset potential!
That...sounds pretty elitist. Any character is Smash material if people want it and it can work in a platform fighting game environment. They don't have to be massive icons in the gaming industry. Heck, we've got Banjo & Kazooie in the game (and with great fanfare among fans, I might add). Why can't the other little guys get any respect around here?
There's a difference between being more familiar with Nintendo and shutting out anything that isn't from Nintendo. I had a ps2 that's been unusable for the past 8 years, a ps3 I got nearly 2 years ago and a gaming PC that I bought almost a year ago. In comparison, I had a Gamecube, GBA and DS and also have a Wii, Wii U, 3DS and Switch. Despite this, I very much knew what Persona was despite never touching an Atlus game unless you count DMC3, DQXIS was my first Dragon Quest yet I was very familiar with the franchise and despite only having played 2 SNK games solely because of my local library having Metal Slug and a KoF game at the time, I was very much familiar with SNK's brand. It's not expecting people buy more consoles, it's expecting people to have general awareness for huge stuff, especially when one of those 3 became a hot topic for Smash fans when EVO 2019's line-up was shown
I love Rayman but I gotta admit it sucks that his design means it's difficult to make merch for him (though I've seen plenty of concepts how the amiibo can be done)
Mega Man in 2013 when Smash 4 was announced was a dead franchise. Rayman may have never peaked like Mega Man did on the NES, but he has been far more consistent.
I used to think this too, but this was the exact moveset that clicked into my head to make Rayman a Deluxe Mii Brawler costume.
Oh definitely! My first thought and probably the easiest to implement would be the power ups from Hoodlum Havok, though you could get a bit more creative, like for example I could see his up or side special making use of the Swingmen from the recent games.
Phoenix Wright: Definitely a courtroom, although I think the courtroom that got blown up in the fifth game in particular would be neat. I could see it be a walk-off but with actual walls going up the side a bit on account of the gallery, shaped kind of like the merchant booths in Garreg Mach or the left side of the Training stage. In terms of cameos, prosecutors, defense attorneys, and witnesses from the series can show up in the courtroom with some wacky antics (maybe defense/prosecutor objection speech bubbles could be stage hazards, or there could be some character-specific hazards, like Blackquill's hawk or Sarge's drone).
