Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[GoodGrief741]

Lmao wtf did I just read.

I get not liking a game but saying it's not a real game just because of that is petty af.

 

[TheCJBrine]

What if the Mario 64 remaster includes stuff from the DS remake and they add Waluigi as a playable character alongside the others?

 

[Garteam]

Ehh
We got three JRPG characters in a single pass. I don't think two fighting game characters in one pass is breaking boundaries, especially since both Tekken and ARMS are fundamentally different from each other despite being from the same genre.

I don't really think this is a super apt comparison, as RPG characters tend to have far less overlapping mechanics than fighting game characters. Ryu and Terry are far more similar than Joker and Hero are. If every RPG character had Hero's mana and Command Select to feel more similar to their original game, I'd probably feel similarly about the idea of multiple RPG reps as I do to multiple fighting game reps.

I'd say it really all comes down to execution. If the ARMS character shares a number of their quantities with Ryu, Ken, and Terry, namely the "always facing opponents" shtick, then I think other Fighting game characters are in trouble. If not, then it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What if the Mario 64 remaster includes stuff from the DS remake and they add Waluigi as a playable character alongside the others?

That would make me sooo freaking happy. Waluigi deserves to be a part of the main series.

Too bad that even if they were to remaster Super Mario 64, and add elements of Super Mario 64 DS, there's still a 100% chance they won't add Waluigi to it.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't really think this is a super apt comparison, as RPG characters tend to have far less overlapping mechanics than fighting game characters. Ryu and Terry are far more similar than Joker and Hero are. If every RPG character had Hero's mana and Command Select to feel more similar to their original game, I'd probably feel similarly about the idea of multiple RPG reps as I do to multiple fighting game reps.

I'd say it really all comes down to execution. If the ARMS character shares a number of their quantities with Ryu, Ken, and Terry, namely the "always facing opponents" shtick, then I think other Fighting game characters are in trouble. If not, then it shouldn't be an issue.

At the same time, ARMS is way less combo-focused than Guilty Gear, so Spring Man shouldn't be an obstacle for Sol just for that.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'd say it really all comes down to execution. If the ARMS character shares a number of their quantities with Ryu, Ken, and Terry, namely the "always facing opponents" shtick, then I think other Fighting game characters are in trouble. If not, then it shouldn't be an issue.

Even if they do always face their opponents they're not going to play a thing like a traditional fighting game character. I think they're safe.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't really think this is a super apt comparison, as RPG characters tend to have far less overlapping mechanics than fighting game characters. Ryu and Terry are far more similar than Joker and Hero are. If every RPG character had Hero's mana and Command Select to feel more similar to their original game, I'd probably feel similarly about the idea of multiple RPG reps as I do to multiple fighting game reps.

I'd say it really all comes down to execution. If the ARMS character shares a number of their quantities with Ryu, Ken, and Terry, namely the "always facing opponents" shtick, then I think other Fighting game characters are in trouble. If not, then it shouldn't be an issue.

How can you say "JRPGs are mechanically different enough" but say "The game with 2 attacks overlaps too much with deep techheavy games that requires a lot of knowledge and mental strength". This is like saying golf, football and tennis are the same because they all use round balls

 

[PeridotGX]

If we were to get a Mario character due to remakes of Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, and Super Mario Galaxy it'd probably be...Um...The Piano?

Come to think of it, the major characters from these games are already in.

They'll add everyone's favorite Mario character, most notable for their appearance in Mario Kart. They wear purple ,it's none other than...

 

[Wunderwaft]

What if all the Mario promotions are leading for a playable Fire Flower Mario?

They also cut the skin in Ultimate so HMMMMMMM

 

[wynn728]

If we were to get a Mario character due to remakes of Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, and Super Mario Galaxy it'd probably be...Um...The Piano?

Come to think of it, the major characters from these games are already in.

All the major Mario characters are playable in Ultimate except for Waluigi, who ain't ever getting in.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I get your sentiment. But Geno wasn't NEARLY as much requested as Ridley and K.Rool. If anything, Isaac has the super star status that K.Rool and Ridley used to have right now. Or at least is way closer.

...I don't think that's true.

ARMS isn't a fighting game. A fighting game demands you take more than 10 minutes to fully explore the depth of it

That's just blatantly false.

Pictured: A fighting game.

They could very well promote Spring Man and just add a different ARMS character as an AT.

Springtron being the obvious choice. Given that he's just Evil Spring Man.

 

[ARandomFruit]

What if the Mario 64 remaster includes stuff from the DS remake and they add Waluigi as a playable character alongside the others?

Then if Waluigi gets into smash he will get called a shill pick by some people.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

How can you say "JRPGs are mechanically different enough" but say "The game with 2 attacks overlaps too much with deep techheavy games that requires a lot of knowledge and mental strength". This is like saying golf, football and tennis are the same because they all use round balls

I mean football's ball isn't quite round.

Unless you're one of those subhumans who calls soccer football

 

[MagnesD3]

Ehhhhh there are definitely several Mario characters I'd prefer over "Mario but flat this time."

But that partner moveset tho 0.0

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mean football's ball isn't quite round.

Unless you're one of those subhumans who calls soccer football

Excuse you, Americans are the subhumans in that regard. It's FOOTBALL not CARRYOVAL

 

[Diddy Kong]

...I don't think that's true.

From all the super popular from that time, Isaac is the only one left. Mewtwo, Mega Man, Ridley, K.Rool, Shulk, Palutena, Little Mac, Roy and Isaac where the most requested characters before Smash 4 launched. Later on, the missed veterans from Smash 4 where around the most popular. And a few new names as Inkling, Isabelle and the like.

Isaac has a very strong fanbase. As does Golden Sun.

 

[Wunderwaft]

All the major Mario characters are playable in Ultimate except for Waluigi, who ain't ever getting in.

You better stick by the bet in your signature if Waluigi ever gets in.

 

[wynn728]

No Super Mario 64 Remake. Instead it should be Super Mario 64 DS Remake!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I mean football's ball isn't quite round.

Unless you're one of those subhumans who calls soccer football

I was going to make this joke, but the oblong shape of a football is still round; it has no edges or points.

 

[DarthEnderX]

From all the super popular from that time, Isaac is the only one left. Mewtwo, Mega Man, Ridley, K.Rool, Shulk, Palutena, Little Mac, Roy and Isaac where the most requested characters before Smash 4 launched. Later on, the missed veterans from Smash 4 where around the most popular. And a few new names as Inkling, Isabelle and the like.

Isaac has a very strong fanbase. As does Golden Sun.

I think you are vastly overstating his popularity(and the popularity of the Golden Sun games, which were never NOT niche).

I'm not saying Geno isn't also a niche character, but you're deluding yourself if you think Isaac isn't and is up there with all those other characters.

 

[Deleted member]

Excuse you, Americans are the subhumans in that regard. It's FOOTBALL not CARRYOVAL

Gonna side with Hans, Gwen. You are kind of evil.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

What if all the Mario promotions are leading for a playable Fire Flower Mario?

They also cut the skin in Ultimate so HMMMMMMM

Fire Mario instead of ARMS would be a great character to start fighter pass 2 with.

What if the Mario 64 remaster includes stuff from the DS remake and they add Waluigi as a playable character alongside the others?

Nah they won't do that. It'll probably a one to one remake of the Nintendo 64 version. I don't think Nintendo is going to be that cool.

 

[Calamitas]

If we get Rex then I probably flatout won't buy the pass, Xenoblade 2 irks me on such a spiritual level that I want to ignore the epilogue of Xenoblade DE because it's so obvious they want to force 2 into it

Why would you say something so controversial, and yet so true?
Honestly, it's for that reason that I'm gonna hold off on getting the second pass, even though an ARMS character is technically what I'd qualify as enough of a reason to get the entire thing.

Morag's and Lora's designs are fine, at least in my point of view.

Not every XB2 female character design is, uh, uncomfortable to look at, just, erm, about 60-70% of them.

That's a very generous estimate. 85-90% is honestly more like it.

And it's really questionable just how much Mòrag's design can really count, when they pull several "lol she looks like a man!" jokes at her expense.

No Super Mario 64 Remake. Instead it should be Super Mario 64 DS Remake!

I'd honestly unironically prefer that.

 

[Diddy Kong]

DK64 remake instead!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Gonna side with Hans, Gwen. You are kind of evil.

Why would you say something so controversial, and yet so true?
Honestly, it's for that reason that I'm gonna hold off on getting the second pass, even though an ARMS character is technically what I'd qualify as enough of a reason to get the entire thing.



That's a very generous estimate. 85-90% is honestly more like it.

And it's really questionable just how much Mòrag's design can really count, when they pull several "lol she looks like a man!" jokes at her expense.



I'd honestly unironically prefer that.

They hated Gwen, for she spoke the truth

 

[HansShotFirst20]

No Super Mario 64 Remake. Instead it should be Super Mario 64 DS Remake!

I mean I'd assume they'd add all the stuff from the previous port in a new remaster.

 

[Will]

Unless you're one of those subhumans who calls soccer football

i've never seen such american pride and ignorance since the iraq war

 

[Opossum]

But that partner moveset tho 0.0

Ehhhhhh I mean it's still just Mario. Personally I just care equally about who a character is compared to how they play.

 

[masterluigi1]

A Rhythm Heaven character isn't going to be topping the popularity charts any time soon, but they were even less requested prior to the Gematsu leak when people though the series wasn't even feasible, and yet clearly one was planned for inclusion. So even if that leak proved to be outdated, what it did do was open the gates to show people that Rhythm Heaven was, ostensibly, feasible, despite prior beliefs.

It's like how up until now, people didn't really request ATs to any great degree because they figured them out of the running. Well, if Spring-Man shows up, I bet some of the ATs will experience renewed popularity, because now the fanbase would believe promotion possible, just as the Gematsu leak showed that RH was possible.

Idk about that..there's nothing proving those characters were actually planned and just because an obscure leak plants an idea doesn't mean that it ever had a chance.

Also what is it with these FANMADE rules as to witch characters can and can't get in? As far as I'm concerned there was never a rule saying that assist trophies deconfirm characters. If sakurai wants a character in just remove the AT...simple.
ATs are just characters not planned for the base roster. Dlc is an afterthought so why would they let things not planned for the base game limit literally every single first party character that even just has a jpg image...even if springman gets in that doesn't mean waluigi or Isaac etc..will have any greater of a chance than before.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If we get Rex then I probably flatout won't buy the pass, Xenoblade 2 irks me on such a spiritual level that I want to ignore the epilogue of Xenoblade DE because it's so obvious they want to force 2 into it

Kinda the reason I don't understand Rex fans.

Xenoblade 2 is not a good Xenoblade game.

I mean, even if I'm a fan of a series, I ain't gonna request characters from bad entries in the series.

Like, I'm a fan of Final Fantasy, but I ain't out here requesting Firion...or Lightning.

 

[MagnesD3]

Ehhhhhh I mean it's still just Mario. Personally I just care equally about who a character is compared to how they play.

I do as well, the original PM is one of my favorite games ever

 

[Deleted member]

Nostalgia is taking over. I wanna just control Mario in a Super Mario 64 remake and ignore the alternate playstyles.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Kinda the reason I don't understand Rex fans.

Xenoblade 2 is not a good Xenoblade game.

I mean, even if I'm a fan of a series, I ain't gonna request characters from bad entries in the series.

Like, I'm a fan of Final Fantasy, but I ain't out here requesting Firion...or Lightning.

Because they want their generic shonen harem protagonist and waifu's my guess

 

[GoodGrief741]

Kinda the reason I don't understand Rex fans.

Xenoblade 2 is not a good Xenoblade game.

I mean, even if I'm a fan of a series, I ain't gonna request characters from bad entries in the series.

Like, I'm a fan of Final Fantasy, but I ain't out here requesting Firion...or Lightning.

As one of the five Final Fantasy II fans in existence, I feel morally obligated to say that it's a cool game you guys.

 

[Will]

Xenoblade 2 is not a good Xenoblade game.

Xenoblade 2 is visually pleasing but god DAMN I can't stand another second of hearing Rex's ****ing voice or his big tiddy goth weapon harem.

 

[Opossum]

Idk about that..there's nothing proving those characters were actually planned and just because an obscure leak plants an idea doesn't mean that it ever had a chance.

Also what is it with these FANMADE rules as to witch characters can and can't get in? As far as I'm concerned there was never a rule saying that assist trophies deconfirm characters. If sakurai wants a character in just remove the AT...simple.
ATs are just characters not planned for the base roster. Dlc is an afterthought so why would they let things not planned for the base game limit literally every single first party character that even just has a jpg image...even if springman gets in that doesn't mean waluigi or Isaac etc..will have any greater of a chance than before.

No, there's absolutely evidence that the Chorus Kids were planned to be playable. To say otherwise at this point really just amounts to willful ignorance.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I actually see the point that ARMS doesn't really seem like it belongs in the umbrella of traditional fighting games much like Smash doesn't fit with them particularly well either. They're both "fighting games" in a technical barebones sense of you can fight one on one, but they don't actually share a ton in common with your Tekken, Guity Gear, and Street Fighters of the world.

I think "party fighter" would be appropriate for games like Power Stone, Smash, and ARMS. They tend to generally focus on a degree of enjoyable accessibility and whacky antics as opposed to tried and true mechanical mastery most traditional 2D fighters do. They can be distilled down to a more basic fighter with certain rule changes, but that's rarely been as much of the focus.

 

[MrElectroG64]

So a more fair analogy would be having other Sonic characters as alts for Sonic?

possibly. I feel like finding characters that are a part of a roster moreso than a set of characters that are complimentary to a singular playable protagonist. That being said, a lot of sonic characters could easily be sonic alts.

 

[Freduardo]

ARMS isn't a fighting game. A fighting game demands you take more than 10 minutes to fully explore the depth of it

Hey, ARMs is free right now.

Take ten minutes of training.

Then go challenge someone who was playing the past two years.

If you lose, you can admit how wrong your statement on how long it takes to get the depth of ARMs is.

 

[masterluigi1]

No, there's absolutely evidence that the Chorus Kids were planned to be playable. To say otherwise at this point really just amounts to willful ignorance.

Well are you just gonna say randomly that there's evidence without.. actually proving anything or are you gonna show me lol