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Would it really matter anyways? They'd just be prolonging the inevitable and that'd be tame compared to the backlash of Waluigi. Besides no matter what there's always going to be backlash among the community.
Well, you can't exactly just have a name on black text and let that be the announcement. While what we had yesterday is nowhere near the ideal reveal, it at least managed to spur conversation and keep the community posted for the June release date. That's at least better than just saying "Oh yeah, next Smash fighter is X" and leaving it at that.
The mystery is what gets people talking, and that's good marketing even if it is for something that's very likely.
Well, Fox apparently got his Shine from the Arwing:
They might not have been fully confident the character was trailer-ready. Given recent events it wouldn't be surprising.
Honestly; Because of how toxic His Fans have gotten; I can't say I want him in anymore. . . Seriously; IF Sakurai doesn't want to make Waluigi Playable; he's not GOING TO put him in the game
Even though it might be the obvious and meaning those three months of speculating was for nothing? Nah if it were Spring Man I feel they would had revealed it right away.
I just said why that's not the case.
Dude I'm just gonna say...you have a Geno hat in your avatar. Stones in glass houses and whatnot.
Except the circumstances are totally different between the SNK leak and the ARMS announcement. That the next character was going to be from SNK wasn't publicly announced, but leaked. There was no intentional vagueness in the erroneous 'announcement' of an SNK rep, whereas Nintendo specifically left some mystery as to who the ARMS rep was gonna be, in doing so implying that it is not the most obvious ARMS character that will be represented, or at least that the game will not be represented in the most obvious way.
Except some characters like Twintelle, as her hair extends, not her arms.
I think we get it, you've explained this point about 10 times by now. Idon literally explained it the best
Then don't add Twintelle. Only focus on the characters who do use their ARMS, which is basically everyone else in the game.
And plenty of people are happy with that and recognize that there was literally no other way Dark Samus was getting in at this point. You're not going to please anyone, but if you can please some of the audience with an inclusion, you might as well do it as long as it doesn't present too many issues and problems to you as the developer or break some sort of guidelines in creating a playable version of the character.
Looked back on the first few pages. It was three times, kinda exaggerated there. Also apologize bad habit on my part being repetitive.
I'm not Toxic; I At Least Leave Sakurai Alone; and don't try to attack him or Harrass him on Social Media for Not Putting in my Most Desired Character in the game
No reason they can't. Just no one has yet.
Neither are male and female Wii Fit Trainer. What's your point?
Would they have been happier if it had remained an AT?
Geno's not an assist trophy and not owned by Nintendo, which seem like they'd make his situation very different from Waluigi's.
Waluigi fans can be annoying but they haven't attacked at Sakurai aside from a couple of people, which can be said for a lot of fandoms.
Thank you!
Nintendo put out a box that had every character announced for Ultimate so far, and two conspicuous empty spaces. Lo and behold, there were just two characters left to reveal.
Yeah, I'm not saying that anyone was intentionally vague with the SNK leak, just that when faced with several possibilities, people tried to explain why it wouldn't be the obvious one, and it was the obvious one.
...Dude, try comparing Sol to any other character in GG. Sure, he has Install, but characters like Bedman, Kum and Zato-1 have way crazier mechanics. The reason Sol isn't bland mechanically is owed - at least partially - to the complexity of GG's systems themselves, not because he's complex for his game. Big difference there.
Honestly, this kinda thing makes me realize how much people have started to take third parties for granted. And this is coming from someone whose current top 10 is about 80% third parties.
Really isn’t the Isabelle treatment as there wasn’t much of a treatment in the first place. Isabelle wasn’t prioritised over Tom Nook because she was popular, I doubt she was even prioritised. She was probably just passively added as she was literally the mascot of Animal Crossing and was probably fairly easy to develop as she borrowed a lot of assets from Villager and still had lots of unique attributes sewn in. If they really wanted to prioritise Tom Nook they probably would have added him by now as he has been the most major and prominent character within Animal Crossing aside from Villager so as he wasn’t added then that suggests Isabelle didn’t really contest with him.
Captain Falcon...
I don’t really see how that relates.
Just don’t include Twintelle then.
I'm not sure how you managed to miss the point this badly but the point was that someone shouldn't make sweeping toxicity generalizations about a fandom while being in a fandom notable for its toxicity.
the discussion on bland main characters wasnt about gameplay but design. sol is not basic looking character. he is middle ground in terms of gameplay but he isnt a "basic karate man" like many other fighting game mascot characters.
not really the case. they kinda are. one is male and one is female. but body type wise they are very similar,. but they also modified the male model to fit the female model. smash has changed characters' bodies plenty overtime or from thier source games. bayonetta had her proportions changed, male wii fit did as well, zss had a rather infamous change, and others.
I think it was one or two people who did that; you can't judge entire fandoms by the actions of a few of their members.
I completely agree with this. Though the main reason I'm advocating for more than just Spring Man though is because I like the cast of ARMS so much.
My mistake; I thought you were commenting on the "if Sakurai doesn't want Waluigi in the game, he's not going to include him" part and applying that to Geno.
My point is that in the SNK leak, there was no reason not for it to be the obvious one, as the fact that the newcomer was from SNK was revealed unintentionally. Now, however, Nintendo has intentionally set up a mystery as to who the newcomer is, which is, in and of itself, a reason for it to not be the obvious choice. The two situations are incomparable. If the character were Springman, Nintendo would likely have said something along the lines of 'the next character is from a series new to the Switch', to conceal who the actual newcomer is while also narrowing down the playing field to build speculation. One does not push speculation like that and just reveal it was the obvious choice all along. Remember that Sakurai and his team dislike letting people down -- cite his apologies for the lack of Rex & Pyra and acknowledgement that fans would be disappointed in Byleth.
You just proved exactly how they could include multiple ARMS characters, despite arguing against it before.
Ah, I see. Apologies then - I thought you were talking about my post on the matter, which was focused on gameplay aspects.
When people are basically saying reworded versions of "Nintendo characters wouldn't be hype enough for DLC! They wouldn't sell!", in a crossover fighter that is still about 85% Nintendo characters, then yeah, I'd say people have started taking third parties for granted. Your comparison to MK isn't really fair - especially with Spawn, who was requested for some time, if memory serves. But my point is: the people who play these games still care a lot about their Nightwolfs and Sindels, so even if they got no Spawn or Joker, they would for the most part be satified with just getting more MK characters.
I think the reason people think Nintendo characters wouldn't bring the hype anymore is that at this point all the A or B tier Nintendo franchises have a playable character, and in the case of Zelda and Kirby they have the main cast playable already.
...I honestly can't see a problem with the former, really. One of the reasons I love crossover fighters like Smash and MvC is because they introduced me to "C-tier characters" from Nintendo or Capcom.
The fact that each character has to carry a $5.99 DLC pass on their backs and also be a source of continued media attention for the game. A c-list character ain't doing that. The lower 'list' characters tend to go into the base-game.
Eh, I don't really think the situations are that different. Seemingly every time that Sakurai has asked for Geno, he has gotten him in some capacity, and at the very least has successfully done so twice for Smash 4 DLC and Ultimate. Waluigi and Geno both seem like characters Sakurai hasn't had any trouble getting, but just has simply never prioritized as a full playable character. Waluigi passed up in favor of characters with more interesting gameplay mechanics like Rosalina, Bowser Jr., and Piranha Plant while Geno has been passed on in favor of including major franchises such as Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest in Smash.
The difference is, that was a leak, not an official announcement by Nintendo. It's not going to be Spring Man. I'm confident in that.
