Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[UberPyro64]

I took it from @N3ON's fighter pictures. You can find the thread here.

Thanks!

 

[Cosmic77]

Signature equipment shouldn't be an issue preventing certain ARMS characters from being alts. All equipment in the game can be worn by a character, regardless of whether or not it makes sense.

I actually think think that's what they'll do for the moveset – have whichever character they choose alternate between gloves, whips, bullets, hammers, beams, and boomerangs. If that's the case, lots of characters would be repped in a single moveset.

 

[MrJudd]

The characters all have wildly varying personalities (unlike "stoic silent self insert" Hero) and don't share default equipment (unlike the Koopalings). It's a stretch even for an ARMS character. You're telling me it's fine that someone who is represented like this in ARMS;

fights the same as 3 different characters in Smash.

They've made characters Echoes or separate movesets for far, far less.

At the same time, we have thousands of "character liberties" in Smash already, so this wouldn't be something new. Although, no matter the number of characters, I expect to see all ARMS being used in the moveset, so it kinda leaves just the special abilities for character exclusivity, which I think it won't happen. Also, I expect some of the smashes kinda like Bayo's, but without it being a "third arm" to the fighter.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

To me it seems like Sakurai will go with Springman, who can use the abilities/arms from other characters throughout his moveset.

For the "but you cant do that in the game" crowd, It's more or less the same thing that Sakurai did with Byleth where the three house members are represented via the legendary weapons

 

[UberPyro64]

To me it seems like Sakurai will go with Springman, who can use the abilities/arms from other characters throughout his moveset.

For the "but you cant do that in the game" crowd, It's more or less the same thing that Sakurai did with Byleth where the three house members are represented via the legendary weapons

Again, I can't see this with Spring Man already being an Assist Trophy and them deliberately making it a guessing game. They wouldn't just go with Spring Man.

 

[PSIGuy]

"Too many swordsmen brawlers are there? And you, you use the sword fist as well? What will you do?!"
*big pile of weird boxing gloves appears*

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Again, I can't see this with Spring Man already being an Assist Trophy and them deliberately making it a guessing game. They wouldn't just go with Spring Man.

Just like they wouldn't pick Incineroar over Decidueye!

 

[UberPyro64]

Just like they wouldn't pick Incineroar over Decidueye!

That's not a comparable situation. Both Decidueye and Incineroar were starters. They could have gone with either, and since Sakurai wanted to make a wresting type character so that's why we got Incineroar.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

At the same time, we have thousands of "character liberties" in Smash already, so this wouldn't be something new. Although, no matter the number of characters, I expect to see all ARMS being used in the moveset, so it kinda leaves just the special abilities for character exclusivity, which I think it won't happen. Also, I expect some of the smashes kinda like Bayo's, but without it being a "third arm" to the fighter.

I think the highest amount of ARMS the character will have is 9. Three for normals (if there is a special dedicated to swapping them), three for the other specials, and three for Smash Attacks. Otherwise the moveset would get pretty cluttered.

To me it seems like Sakurai will go with Springman, who can use the abilities/arms from other characters throughout his moveset.

For the "but you cant do that in the game" crowd, It's more or less the same thing that Sakurai did with Byleth where the three house members are represented via the legendary weapons

Since Byleth can wield the most powerful Relic in the game, it's not too much of a stretch to say that he can also wield the others. Even if it doesn't fit with the lore it's still not weird that a human can wield fantastical medieval weapons. On the flip side, you would be very confused if Spring Man started poofing around like a ninja, summoning clown pants to block attacks, becoming more buff, hovering, or stretching his torso. Nothing about Spring Man tells players that he has these abilities.

Just like they wouldn't pick Incineroar over Decidueye!

The starters are equally important to the series in relation to each other, and they didn't turn it into a guessing game. Spring Man is the mascot, which makes him an obvious pick, so the guessing game makes a ton of people think it's not him, or at the very least, not just him.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Well, I've been away for a while...

So an ARMS character? That sounds cool, actually. It seemed like such an obvious choice in the speculation days, but it did seem to have fallen off the map lately. I was actually wondering why I was starting to hear about that game again until I saw there was a Direct.

...Shows how out of the loop I've been...

I think the most fun part will be that this will be breaking yet another of our fanrules one way or another. Either we're getting an assist character promoted, or we're getting the waifu a side character before the face of the game on the boxart.

I'd prefer Springman, but I feel that ARMS could lend itself really well to having multiple alts share a moveset.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

...Shows how out of the loop I've been...

Not really, the direct wasn't even announced. Beyond one leaker, nobody even knew about it.

I'd prefer Springman, but I feel that ARMS could lend itself really well to having multiple alts share a moveset.

Everyone needs to go play ARMS right now so that they can see that this is NOT THE CASE!!!

Sorry. I just needed to vent.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

To me it seems like Sakurai will go with Springman, who can use the abilities/arms from other characters throughout his moveset.

For the "but you cant do that in the game" crowd, It's more or less the same thing that Sakurai did with Byleth where the three house members are represented via the legendary weapons

Also Ness and Simon.

 

[smashingDoug]

I'm putting my money on Twintelle as the arms reps. Just because she has actually arms to hold items with, Easy to code. Also shes a black female and it's 2020. And wasn't she one of the first characters to be shown off?

Or Ribbon Girl because Spring Man is an AT.

 

[Goombaic]

Idk, to me having Ribbon Girl, Min Min, and Ninjara fit as alts for Spring Man would be like having Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude as alts for Byleth. Like sure, it can work if you make a lot of stretches, but it's really offputting and misrepresentative of the characters.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Also Ness and Simon.

Ness using PSI he can't in his original game (which have been made canon since his first appearance), and Simon techniques that his descendant uses aren't the same thing as giving Spring Man abilities that don't match his theming. Even if you were to make it not jarring you'd still be homogenizing characters that play wildly different from each other.

 

[ZelDan]

Idk, to me having Ribbon Girl, Min Min, and Ninjara fit as alts for Spring Man would be like having Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude as alts for Byleth. Like sure, it can work if you make a lot of stretches, but it's really offputting and misrepresentative of the characters.

To be fair it wouldn't be hard to make ARMs characters be alts of eachother with stretching.

Stretching is what ARMs is all about.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Does anyone think they might add a Monster Hunter as a fighter in FPVol2?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Does anyone think they might add a Monster Hunter as a fighter in FPVol2?

I personally don't think so, because Monster Hunter is the kind of the series that's represented by the monsters, not the humans. And adding a monster from that series in a playable role would be weird.

 

[AreJay25]

Does anyone think they might add a Monster Hunter as a fighter in FPVol2?

I mean, we're getting a rep from a game most assumed was pretty much done for, so I'd say the possibility is there.

But Monster Hunter certainly has some competition for another Capcom character.

 

[Ben Holt]

What if we get 15 alt costumes for literally everyone

Then I will dress up as a Gorilla and kidnap the president.

 

[PeridotGX]

Does anyone think they might add a Monster Hunter as a fighter in FPVol2?

Before today, I thought they had no chance. Now? while not something I'm too confident in, I think they're an option.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

To be fair it wouldn't be hard to make ARMs characters be alts of eachother with stretching.

Stretching is what ARMs is all about.

Sure. Why don't we make Ken, Akuma, Dan, Sakura, and Oni into alternate costumes of Ryu. It's a bit of a stretch, but they're similar enough right? Riiiiiight.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I mean, we're getting a rep from a game most assumed was pretty much done for, so I'd say the possibility is there.

But Monster Hunter certainly has some competition for another Capcom character.

I think Monster Hunter would garner a larger response than Dante. Both have their fans, but series wise I hear infinitely more about Monster Hunter from a Japan-centric market than about Devil May Cry.

and yes I am aware they are both popular franchises as a whole.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Does anyone think they might add a Monster Hunter as a fighter in FPVol2?

It's certainly possible, especially now that ARMS is getting a character, meaning that the "new worlds" requirement is just a load of horse hockey... not that I ever thought that the extremely small amount of Monster Hunter content in Ultimate's base game was ever a problem to begin with. Plus, Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite showed that a playable Monster Hunter is at least feasible... and to those who will say "that was done without the Monster Hunter devs' permission, it won't happen again for Smash", two words: citation please.

Granted, there's still Dante and Phoenix Wright to content with, but I'm not ruling out a Monster Hunter character.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

That's not a comparable situation. Both Decidueye and Incineroar were starters. They could have gone with either, and since Sakurai wanted to make a wresting type character so that's why we got Incineroar.

You just proved my point.

A lot of people were talking about how much Decidueye was a lock due to how popular he was compared to the other starters yet Incineroar was added due to Sakurai being interested in him. Do you think Sakurai and Nintendo honestly cares about the Assist Trophy/Spirit rule the fandom brings up all the time? Springman (and Ribbon Girl) are still the mascots and faces of ARMS; thats why they both have Mii Costumes and Spirits in the base roster. Why wouldn't Nintendo want the face to be added?

Since Byleth can wield the most powerful Relic in the game, it's not too much of a stretch to say that he can also wield the others. Even if it doesn't fit with the lore it's still not weird that a human can wield fantastical medieval weapons. On the flip side, you would be very confused if Spring Man started poofing around like a ninja, summoning clown pants to block attacks, becoming more buff, hovering, or stretching his torso. Nothing about Spring Man tells players that he has these abilities.

Perhaps when I mentioned abilities I forgot that yes, each character plays differently which is why a Hero situation will be strange. But I mean moreso the abilities tied to the other character's Arms

 

[ZelDan]

Sure. Why don't we make Ken, Akuma, Dan, Sakura, and Oni into alternate costumes of Ryu. It's a bit of a stretch, but they're similar enough right? Riiiiiight.

Uh...I was joking?

 

[Goombaic]

To be fair it wouldn't be hard to make ARMs characters be alts of eachother with stretching.

Stretching is what ARMs is all about.

So this is how the despair of lame puns feels like.
You have made me very unhappy.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I think Euden has a chance now too. Just a hunch.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Uh...I was joking?

Ah. I thought you were serious...

I'd better head to bed. I'm getting too aggressive.

 

[MisterMike]

Does anyone think they might add a Monster Hunter as a fighter in FPVol2?

I don't think so. Monster Hunter is more well known for it's roster of monsters than it is it's human characters, and we already have it's most iconic monster in the game. Also, while this wouldn't prevent them from being included, Byleth already sort of does most of what they could do, what with their bevy of holy weapons.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I don't think so. Monster Hunter is more well known for it's roster of monsters than it is it's human characters, and we already have it's most iconic monster in the game. Also, while this wouldn't prevent them from being included, Byleth already sort of does most of what they could do, what with their bevy of holy weapons.

That is a good point.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Perhaps when I mentioned abilities I forgot that yes, each character plays differently which is why a Hero situation will be strange. But I mean moreso the abilities tied to the other character's Arms

Oh ok. That works just fine. Any character can use any ARM anyway. It still leaves the issue with who you go with, but I'm starting not to care. Or maybe I'm just tired. Alright, I'm going to bed for realsies this time!

...It's gonna happen...Here I go...Off to bed...Riiiiiiight...now! (...But first one last YouTube video.)


...Why am I like this? ;-;

 

[chocolatejr9]

I think Euden has a chance now too. Just a hunch.

That's what I've been saying!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Before somebody says, “Monster Hunter has a shot because it’s been really huge lately and is a major money maker for Capcom!”

Mother****ing Resident Evil.

Sales don’t matter now.
-

Anyway, as I’ve said...I think it’s plausible that Min-Min could be the single character, especially if it’s lining up with the selection of characters/popularity contest for ARMS. Or it’s Spring Man and Ribbon Girl. Or it’s 4 ARMS characters in one.

Either way, we still have many questions, certainly more questions than answers. Not sure how much I’ll be around as time goes on because I can imagine things will get maddening with the repeated arguments and what not. But we’ll see how this all turns out.

 

[slrigeigdew]

Everyone needs to go play ARMS right now so that they can see that this is NOT THE CASE!!!

Sorry. I just needed to vent.

I can, in fact, confirm that this is NOT the case. (Aside from Springman and SpringTron, and even that's a stretch heh )

And I say this as someone who hasn't played ARMS and has no intention of playing it, even tho it's free rn

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

That's what I've been saying!

I know a lot of people compare him to Corrin because the whole “Swordsmen who becomes a dragon.”, but their play styles are not similar at all. There’s a lot to work with in terms of moveset. The only two things Euden and Corrin have in common are that they use swords and can become dragons.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And I say this as someone who hasn't played ARMS and has no intention of playing it, even tho it's free rn

If you ever get bored I highly recommend it. It's pretty fun, just lacking in single player content. You don't even have to use motion controls if you don't like them (though I would recommend trying them).

 

[Knight Dude]

To me it seems like Sakurai will go with Springman, who can use the abilities/arms from other characters throughout his moveset.

For the "but you cant do that in the game" crowd, It's more or less the same thing that Sakurai did with Byleth where the three house members are represented via the legendary weapons

I'm still on the Hero Alt crowd. But this also happened with Zelda using 3 spells we see Link use. And Rosalina using Galaxy mechanics that are more associated with Mario and Luigi.

 

[kylexv]

Another example would be when SNK almost threw Kyo and Iori out after the protagonist switch to K'. Thankfully they backed out of that one.

You mentioning K' reminded me of a thought I had a while ago.
In Japan, Echo fighters are called "Dash Fighters". K' was biologically infused with Kyo's DNA, making him somewhat of a biological clone of him, hence the name K'. Maybe the term came from K'. Probably not, but it's just a thought.

 

[Will]

Then I will dress up as a Gorilla and kidnap the president.

So this is Adam Sandler's new take on Donkey Kong...