Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Rie Sonomura]

Yeah, characters with thick Russian accents are the best.

By the way, wasn't there a datamine to suggest there was supposed to be Devil's Third Spirits? Alongside Jet Force Gemini and Blast Corps?

The latter two are Rare properties. Now that Banjo’s in they can be easy Spirit Event fodder

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

For the Datamine bit, those two series have the names owned by Nintendo, but not the IP's. More than likely the employees didn't know this, and thus, they were removed later but not the "names" alone(as Nintendo, again, owns the names). Considering they didn't get together with Rareware to discuss Banjo till quite a bit later anyway, it's possible they couldn't license them, as Microsoft also owns them. Look at the lack of a lot of Microsoft content. It seems a lot more like MS wasn't giving them a lot to work with despite the overall cooperation.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Just add android 18

But which one?

Spoiler

 

[Cosmic77]

You say this but a lot of the 'spirits mean you are out' crowd would have loved to see characters who have been Spirited Away, so one's opinion on gen 8 wouldn't matter. You're turning this into a 'us vs them' deal when in reality you just can't accept that people can put personal biases away in some scenarios

Genuine question here. Has there ever been a time when you responded to one of my posts and weren't trying to either (1) make a snarky remark on something you disagreed with, or (2) twist a comment I made into something controversial or spiteful when I obviously wasn't trying to make it out to be either?

I get that you have a personal vendetta against me because I'm apparently a Nintendo fanboy who has isolated himself to only playing Mario and Pokemon games, but this is becoming a daily thing. It's repetitive and lost its charm a long time ago. Just to mix things up for once, perhaps you could ask me to clarify what I mean before jumping headfirst into your assumptions?

The point I was trying to get across is that the Pokemon debate never goes anywhere and that minds have already been made a long time ago; we cover the same points over and over again. It had nothing to do with a "us vs them", and if you inferred anything else from that, then you're looking way too deep into the comment.

 

[Schnee117]

You sure? There are plenty of people here who argue a Gen 8 rep might come out of pure cynicism. It's not black and white.

Well yeah, Black and White are Gen 5

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Genuine question here. Has there ever been a time when you responded to one of my posts and weren't trying to either (1) make a snarky remark on something you disagreed with, or (2) twist a comment I made into something controversial or spiteful when I obviously wasn't trying to make it out to be either?

I get that you have a personal vendetta against me because I'm apparently a Nintendo fanboy who has isolated himself to only playing Mario and Pokemon games, but this is becoming a daily thing. It's repetitive and lost its charm a long time ago. Just to mix things up for once, perhaps you could ask me to clarify what I mean before jumping headfirst into your assumptions?

The point I was trying to get across is that the Pokemon debate never goes anywhere and that minds have already been made a long time ago; we cover the same points over and over again. It had nothing to do with a "us vs them", and if you inferred anything else from that, then you're looking way too deep into the comment.

Except that by claiming one's opinion on a gen 8 mon MUST be an influence is objectively wrong. By claiming that it's a factor, you're trying to pit SwoShi fans against people who aren't fans. Jill Valentine was a pretty damn popular pick before she got Spirited Away, and when the people who wanted Jill think her chances are dead and that the same applies to literally any other DLC Spirit, their opinions on those Spirits are irrelevant. The reason it goes nowhere is because the discussion is ONLY "Do you think Spirits are out of the count or not?" Try literally any other question involving a gen 8 mon, and I guarantee you the answers won't be the same. Instead of being upset that people don't care about the topic you keep forcing, try asking idk, "What if Falinks, Dragapult, Snom, Obstagoon, etc got in Smash, how would you feel about these specific choices if they got in?" Ask "Is there any content from Swoshi you'd like even if there's no fighter" or some ****, you have a franchise with over 900 potential characters, try to actually sell an idea instead of a generic "muh rep" argument assuming that just because they're all gen 8 mons, people wouldn't care about a specific one and just want 'a rep'. I'm tired of generalized support threads and AssistAlliance for this very reason, if you have to make fake unity, you have no confidence in what you're backing

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

...Honestly?

The whole Gen 8 thing is silly.

The only ones clearly out are the current Spirits, and it's reasonable for both sides otherwise. Some think it's over for any other Gen 8. Some don't. It's not a big deal.

 

[ZelDan]

As someone who has no interest in seeing another pokemon of any generation getting into Smash, I'm largely neutral when it comes to if Gen 8 is disconfiermed or not.

On one hand, none of the final evolutions of the starter pokemon, ie the most likely to be added to Smash, were not included as spirits. On the flip side though, if they were planning on adding a gen 8 rep, you'd think they would have just held off on adding Gen 8 spirits until the playable character was added.

 

[osby]

I really wouldn't mind a Gen 8 Pokemon but it seems kinda obvious that we wouldn't get Spirits if Nintendo was planning to include one. Byleth was decided before Three Houses even came out, I find it unlikely for developers to change their mind at last second. I also don't think Nintendo was trying to trick us by adding a Gen 8 mon that isn't Spirit. They quite literally have nothing from misguiding the fans. Again, I think all three starters' final evolutions have the potential to be very cool characters in Smash and I enjoy seeing people discuss them (and other, less likely candidates) but I'm also capable to make a realistic prediction about their outcome based on how DLC picks are decided on.

That being said, Baboom for Smash.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Genuine question here. Has there ever been a time when you responded to one of my posts and weren't trying to either (1) make a snarky remark on something you disagreed with, or (2) twist a comment I made into something controversial or spiteful when I obviously wasn't trying to make it out to be either?

I get that you have a personal vendetta against me because I'm apparently a Nintendo fanboy who has isolated himself to only playing Mario and Pokemon games, but this is becoming a daily thing. It's repetitive and lost its charm a long time ago. Just to mix things up for once, perhaps you could ask me to clarify what I mean before jumping headfirst into your assumptions?

The point I was trying to get across is that the Pokemon debate never goes anywhere and that minds have already been made a long time ago; we cover the same points over and over again. It had nothing to do with a "us vs them", and if you inferred anything else from that, then you're looking way too deep into the comment.

Honestly, I have no horse in this race, but it's particularly bizarre to see the reactions to the topic in this thread considering quite a few people here wanted "a Three Houses rep" not too long ago.

 

[SKX31]

Yeah, characters with thick Russian accents are the best.

By the way, wasn't there a datamine to suggest there was supposed to be Devil's Third Spirits? Alongside Jet Force Gemini and Blast Corps?

I had a hard time believing that datamine since that implied Nexon (who own Devil's Third - their main games are MapleStory, Dungeon Fighter Online and ArcheAge) would get involved. IIRC this was also before standalone DLC Spirits were confirmed to be a thing.

Not that it would be impossible given what we know now: SNK's owners are much less known here than even Nexon and one of the owners got a Warframe spirit in a couple months after Terry.

Honestly, I have no horse in this race, but it's particularly bizarre to see the reactions to the topic in this thread considering quite a few people here wanted "a Three Houses rep" not too long ago.

I'm guessing it's partly because Byleth - "Another Corrin" - was chosen. And not (practically) Edelgard / Dmitri / Claude - the characters people flocked around.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I had a hard time believing that datamine since that implied Nexon (who own Devil's Third - their main games are MapleStory, Dungeon Fighter Online and ArcheAge) would get involved. IIRC this was also before standalone DLC Spirits were confirmed to be a thing.

Not that it would be impossible given what we know now: SNK's owners are much less known here than even Nexon and one of the owners got a Warframe spirit in a couple months after Terry.

Same thing as the Rareware Spirits. Nintendo owns the name of the Japanese game, but not the content beyond that. It doesn't explain exactly what happened. The theory, as I said before, is the employees put together a huge list of spirits, and didn't realize they couldn't use those characters till after Sakurai sifted through them in general(and had to remove those three if he couldn't license them. Those might be all he removed, mind you).

 

[Cosmic77]

Honestly, I have no horse in this race, but it's particularly bizarre to see the reactions to the topic in this thread considering quite a few people here wanted "a Three Houses rep" not too long ago.

Ehh...there are a lot of vocal FE supporters in this thread (and Smashboards as a whole), but a majority of users were either neutral or negative about the addiction of Byleth. You can see that for yourself on this thread's current poll.

Anyway, I'm not taking the Gen 8 discussions as seriously as I used to. Regardless of whether a person's reason for thinking a character isn't likely involves a personal dislike of the character/franchise or actual speculation, it doesn't matter much. The characters for this pass have already been chosen, and what this thread deems as likely can change within a matter of hours. After four third-parties in a row, people would scoff at you for thinking a first-party was still on the table. Today, you can casually bring up first-parties without risking a huge debate. Opinions have changed because new information was presented to us. Likewise, something could randomly come up out of the blue (a "promotional" character gets revealed, a Spirit gets in Smash, etc.) and change everyone's perspective on the odds of a Gen 8 Pokemon.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

For those waiting for a direct, I'm not sure if it's going to be announced later or tomorrow but I'm still confident that the direct is coming Thursday.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

For those waiting for a direct, I'm not sure if it's going to be announced later or tomorrow but I'm still confident that the direct is coming Thursday.

I think general directs don't get announced in our afternoons? So probably tomorrow if it's coming.

I do think it's coming, but who knows.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I'm guessing it's partly because Byleth - "Another Corrin" - was chosen. And not (practically) Edelgard / Dmitri / Claude - the characters people flocked around.

I meant more that people seem to dislike the concept of "a Gen 8 rep" because it's not a specific character when "a Three Houses rep" was a decently popular concept just a few months ago.

 

[Cosmic77]

I'll consider a potential Direct to be possible until tomorrow night. After that though, I'm chalking up March as a no-show for a general Direct.

I'll wait another two weeks in April, but if we still don't have a Direct by then, I'm giving up on anything happening before E3 (or whatever they have planned in its place). By then, there would be less than two months before E3, and it would feel so redundant to reveal new content between two presentations when you could just dump everything all at once at E3.

 

[Seanapotamus]

For those waiting for a direct, I'm not sure if it's going to be announced later or tomorrow but I'm still confident that the direct is coming Thursday.

General Directs are usually announced in the morning of the day before the presentation. So if (and it's a big if) there is the Direct on Thursday, it should be announced tomorrow morning.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I meant more that people seem to dislike the concept of "a Gen 8 rep" because it's not a specific character when "a Three Houses rep" was a decently popular concept just a few months ago.

Probably because Three Houses was far less controversial than Gen 8.

And because Pokemon already has a unique newcomer and three cut veterans returning in Ultimate vs one echo for FE prior to Byleth.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I have another obscure character idea! Rikiya Busujima from Zombie Revenge which is a non-canonical spin-off of The House of the Dead series. His down throw would be him doing a figure four leg lock to his opponent and if he loses, he turns into a zombie.

He has access to plenty of weapons like Pipes, Axes, Shotguns, Land Mines, Hachets, Flamethrowers, Portable Drills, Laser Guns... dual guitar cases that act like Machine guns and a Rocket Launcher inside of a Guitar Case.

Anyway I think he'd be yet another cool obscure character who is never getting into Smash Bros but here's a poorly cropped gif of him performing his Figure Four leglock on a zombie.

 

[SNEKeater]

Anything could happen but expecting a Pokémon rep for DLC is pretty much the same as expecting a Daemon X Machina or Astral Chain character in the pass, in my personal opinion. "There are more Pokémon", true, and the series is massive, but Astral Chain, Daemon X Machina or other franchises that were spirited also have more character besides the ones that were put as spirits.
I think it makes more sense to not release a spirit event for the Galar region if they thought about putting a Galar rep in the pass.

 

[Opossum]

I meant more that people seem to dislike the concept of "a Gen 8 rep" because it's not a specific character when "a Three Houses rep" was a decently popular concept just a few months ago.

Generally it may come down to numbers. Even ignoring how Three Houses was a far less controversial game, and as such people would be especially drawn to it getting a character, there was at most four feasible characters for it: Byleth, Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude. Like, at most. So if you liked those four well enough, a Three Houses character as a concept would be something you're more open to.

Pokémon is far less concrete. They could go for the three starters. They could go for one of the box legends. They could go for a popular or pushed Mon like Toxtricity or Dragapult. In short, there are a lot more options, so just saying "a Gen VIII Pokémon" doesn't really mean as much.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Hey hey hey! it's spirit board deconfirmation day!

Any predictions for the spirit board? I could see us getting some New Horizon spirits with some of the new characters, such as CJ, Daisy Mae, Flick, and Orville and Wilbur.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Probably because Three Houses was far less controversial than Gen 8.

And because Pokemon already has a unique newcomer and three cut veterans returning in Ultimate vs one echo for FE prior to Byleth.

Also, while the idea of one of the Fire Emblem: Three Houses characters (particularly Edlegard) excited some people for one reason or another, the candidates from Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield are pretty uninteresting to pretty much everyone. The most likely Pokémon are the starters, which most people find to be boring and predictable picks, Urshifu, a boring fighting type with a potential stance change mechanic they'd rather see on a different character, and Calyrex, a Pokémon with a weird design that nobody really talks about. Toxtricity is probably the only other Pokémon on the table, and while it does seem to be one of the most popular new Pokémon (along with Snom and Falinx), it still doesn't seem to appeal to more than just Pokémon fans.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hey hey hey! it's spirit board deconfirmation day!

Any predictions for the spirit board? I could see us getting some New Horizon spirits with some of the new characters, such as Chip Jr, Daisy Mae, Flick, and Orville and Wilbur.

- Do you wanna have a bad time?

come on they did it with Cuphead, now it's Undertale's turn, and do the whole content replacing if you own Sans's costume too

that or uhhhh either Doom Eternal (imagine the irony) or Hyperdimension Neptunia (Megadimension Neptunia VII is slated for a Switch release)

 

[Schnee117]

Also, while the idea of one of the Fire Emblem: Three Houses characters (particularly Edlegard) excited some people for one reason or another, the candidates from Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield are pretty uninteresting to pretty much everyone. The most likely Pokémon are the starters, which most people find to be boring and predictable picks, Urshifu, a boring fighting type with a potential stance change mechanic they'd rather see on a different character, and Calyrex, a Pokémon with a weird design that nobody really talks about. Toxtricity is probably the only other Pokémon on the table, and while it does seem to be one of the most popular new Pokémon (along with Snom and Falinx), it still doesn't seem to appeal to more than just Pokémon fans.

With Urshifu it's just, add Akira from Virtua Fighter instead.
and this is Grimmsnarl erasure

 

[I.D.]

"There are more Pokémon", true, and the series is massive, but Astral Chain, Daemon X Machina or other franchises that were spirited also have more character besides the ones that were put as spirits.

It really isn't the same. Take the Resident Evil spirit event for example, it took out Chris, Jill, Leon and Wesker, I'm pretty confident in saying no other RE character would make it over any of these four. No such confidence for the pokemon event.

 

[Opossum]

I say go for broke and add Copperajah. Who wouldn't want to play as a giant Steel elephant?

 

[PeridotGX]

I say go for broke and add Copperajah. Who wouldn't want to play as a giant Steel elephant?

no, Cramourant. Smash needs more birds, and it could have an interesting moveset based on projectile launching Arrokuda.

 

[Deleted member]

Good morning.

It's technically Tuesday still in your places, but it's Wednesday here. So here's to us nabbin the Direct.

 

[Undella2]

Though I do think a Generation 8 'mon is likely, I would rather have a pokemon from a different generation (besides Kanto) instead.

There's Scizor, which is one of my most wanted-s, Grovyle, which could represent the Mystery Dungeon spin-offs, Zoroark, which is/was a highly popular pokemon (at least when I was still big into the franchise), Decidueye, which I really wanted over Incineroar, and even ones like, say, Deoxys, which could, in my opinion, probably play around with a "stance/form change" mechanic more interestingly than Urshifu.

Heck, though Kanto is already over-represented in Smash, I would probably enjoy Kantonian Meowth's inclusion a decent amount, due to the species' significance within the franchise's media.

I dunno, I just don't really like most of the gen 8 designs, to be honest.

Except Snom.

Snom's cute.

 

[StarBot]

Hey hey hey! it's spirit board deconfirmation day!

Any predictions for the spirit board? I could see us getting some New Horizon spirits with some of the new characters, such as CJ, Daisy Mae, Flick, and Orville and Wilbur.

If there gonna be a event, then it confirms that despite being a whole team dedicated to them, Spirits are indeed low proauthority enough that the team can still work on them despite there being a shut down

and thous, more proof for the spirit don’t Deconfirm folks

 

[chocolatejr9]

If there gonna be a event, then it confirms that despite being a whole team dedicated to them, Spirits are indeed low proauthority enough that the team can still work on them despite there being a shut down

and thous, more proof for the spirit don’t Deconfirm folks

Then let's hope for something good!

Wait, are you referring to base game Spirits or post-launch? There's a bit of a debate on that...

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

no direct got me like

nintendo said the nintendo switch has games but no new games are coming out nintendo is canceled

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I say go for broke and add Copperajah. Who wouldn't want to play as a giant Steel elephant?

Many people. But at least it wouldn't be boring.

I dunno, I just don't really like most of the gen 8 designs, to be honest.

The designs seem to be more hit or miss this time around, at least for me. There are really good ones like Appletun, Falinks, Snom, and Toxtricity, but then you get really dumb ones like Eiscue, Stonjourner, and Rolycolly's entire line. This is coming from someone who likes Klink and Roggenrolla so I guess that makes me a hypocrite, but I still think those designs are super weak.

Also Blipbug looks like a Fakémon I made when I was 10 and that is not a compliment.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

If there gonna be a event, then it confirms that despite being a whole team dedicated to them, Spirits are indeed low proauthority enough that the team can still work on them despite there being a shut down

and thous, more proof for the spirit don’t Deconfirm folks

To be fair we don’t exactly know the production timeline for Spirits, a bunch could have been made earlier and they’re just spreading them out overtime to keep playing engaged between new character reveals/releases.

 

[Calamitas]

no direct got me like

nintendo said the nintendo switch has games but no new games are coming out nintendo is canceled

Nintendo isn't real. Go back to sleep.

 

[Seanapotamus]

Hey hey hey! it's spirit board deconfirmation day!

Any predictions for the spirit board? I could see us getting some New Horizon spirits with some of the new characters, such as CJ, Daisy Mae, Flick, and Orville and Wilbur.

A New Horizons spirit event would make sense as they could promote the game through the event, especially since it just recently came out.

Now if you want to go for something truly woke, then there is always that possibility that we could see a "Vroom in the Night Sky" or "Life of Black Tiger" spirit event to prove that anyone can get spirited away, even from universally panned games.

 

[dezeray112]

If there is another Pokemon character I would like to see for Smash (other than Sword and Shield) I would opt for Gengar.

 

[Schnee117]

Nintendo isn't real. Go back to sleep.

Nintendo are a conspiracy made up by the Spanish.