Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[nessdeltarune00]

No we don’t know it had nothing to do with Square unless you are going to tell me you are Sakurai and you went to try and get Geno, hmm? Square could have been reluctant to add Geno if he was attempted to be negotiated for because every party has little to gain from his inclusion aside from what money the hardcore fans spend. You can’t say just because Square wasn’t stingy when it came to including Cloud and Hero doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be it when it came to Geno as neither the two can even be compared

Sakurai has said that no third party has ever turned down a negotiation. Cloud and Hero clearly were prioritized by him and Nintendo. If his demand was seen as high priority, they wouldn’t have made him a Spirit in the first place when finally getting the rights to him. Again, its over.

The “MUH SQUARE BAD!!!!!” excuse that many Geno fans have desperately tried to pull over and over again to justify his absence isn’t going to work anymore, I’m sorry.

 

[Herocin]

Yeah, it's surprising how little Lara Croft is talked about.
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Ah, Mario Series the most iconic character who isn’t playable in Smash. Mario series is more iconic than Mario yet it isn’t playable yet.

Sakurai has said that no third party has ever turned down a negotiation. Cloud and Hero clearly were prioritized by him and Nintendo. If his demand was seen as high priority, they wouldn’t have made him a Spirit in the first place when finally getting the rights to him. Again, its over.

The “MUH SQUARE BAD!!!!!” excuse that many Geno fans have desperately tried to pull over and over again to justify his absence isn’t going to work anymore, I’m sorry.

Get off your high horse man. Although Geno may not be likely, using arguments like this don’t make much sense. Was Ridley too big, K. Rool too irrelevant or Banjo impossible because Microsoft. Patterns which in reality are nothing more than speculation should not be passed off as fact. Stop passing your opinion off as such and start acting like other people do when things like this happen. And anyway like I just pointed out Sakurai breaks fan theories and rules all the time so that makes this not make much sense. Again, long story short Geno not be likely but he certainly isn’t going to be stopped by one individual refuting points to things pertaining to other things he seemingly doesn’t like so he can make others view him as impossible

 

[Mushroomguy12]

This is inaccurate there should be like 20 women going up to Joker to beat the **** out of him

You mean like this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/a6hw1q

happy valentines day! pic.twitter.com/gMcGBapzcz

— Coinbox Tees (@CoinboxTees) March 21, 2019

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

I definitely see Lara as 2B's true competition for a third Square rep and she would be great, but I'm rooting for my android girl.

 

[wynn728]

And here's your only acknowledgement of Waluigi for the year

🌹 pic.twitter.com/wE7Oa8EF47

— Nintendo of Europe (@NintendoEurope) February 14, 2020

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Sakurai you madman.

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[Ridrool64]

A huge thing has just occurred!

Remember when I said that DLC Mii Costumes in Spirit battles was disconfirmed? Well as it turns out, Mugman and Cuphead DO use the Cuphead Mii Costume in their Spirit Battles!

But only if you've bought it. If you haven't, you get the Mega Man battles that appeared on Twitter.

This opens up a world of possibilities for Spirit battles, given you can make contingency plans for if you don't have the DLC. For example, let's say Undertale Spirits happen regardless of whether it's a Tuesday event or if Frisk gets in. Flowey could be represented by Piranha Plant, but if you don't have Piranha Plant, the game goes to Ivysaur instead. In the case of the former, the music could switch from MEGALOVANIA to Marx's theme.

 

[CHAMPIONX9]

You mean like this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/a6hw1q

happy valentines day! pic.twitter.com/gMcGBapzcz

— Coinbox Tees (@CoinboxTees) March 21, 2019

Detective pikachu in the background kills me.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

You mean like this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/a6hw1q

happy valentines day! pic.twitter.com/gMcGBapzcz

— Coinbox Tees (@CoinboxTees) March 21, 2019

Ryuji during this scene is me today.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Get off your high horse man. Although Geno may not be likely, using arguments like this don’t make much sense. Was Ridley too big, K. Rool too irrelevant or Banjo impossible because Microsoft. Patterns which in reality are nothing more than speculation should not be passed off as fact. Stop passing your opinion off as such and start acting like other people do when things like this happen. And anyway like I just pointed out Sakurai breaks fan theories and rules all the time so that makes this not make much sense. Again, long story short Geno not be likely but he certainly isn’t going to be stopped by one individual refuting points to things pertaining to other things he seemingly doesn’t like so he can make others view him as impossible

First off, did you even read my post at all? I literally stated my reason for believing this because it absolutely makes no sense to finally get the rights to someone, only to relegate them to a Spirit if he truly wanted him to be playable at all, or if his demand was even on Banjo (who got in before Chief and Steve btw, and Geno got shafted in favor of Cloud and Hero) levels during the ballot era. This literally has nothing to do with any “fan rule” that people here use as an excuse against promotion detractors on a daily basis. Ironically enough, its to counter another “fan rule” that Square is stingy, even though we got 4 Heroes.

Its the same song and dance over and over with this community. We were literally in this same position when Vol 1 was announced with people doing the same exact thing they are doing now, trying to paint arguments against Spirits as “fanrules”. And then the goalpost shifted when it became clear that they deconfirmed for Vol 1, “THEY ARE ONLY OUT FOR VOL 1 GENO AND SHANTAE ARE TOTALLY GETTING IN FOR VOL 2 GUYZ!!!!!!!”

Again, its literally the same song and dance all over. And people who use the “FAN RULE!!!” excuse are a dime a dozen in this community, even though they are 0-5 so far (0-6 if you count Piranha Plant).

 

[DarthEnderX]

2B has the advantage of being in a popular and notable game in the modern era. Video games now have grown to be a lot bigger and mainstream, compared to the days when Shantae was around.

...wtf does that mean?! Shantae is a CURRENT franchise that regularly releases new games! The most recent one came out last year! That's MORE modern than 2B's game!

Mickey Mouse, Coca Cola, Superman are iconic.
2B and Shantae are not iconic.

It's not a relative term. Most people could identify iconic things because they're iconic.
Most people couldn't identify most video game characters.
With exceptions like Mario, Pikachu, and Pac-Man.
Most people outside of the interest circles have no idea who 2B is or Shantae.
Therefore they're not iconic.

It IS relative though, because you can be icon WITHIN an interest circle that is applicable to the situation(in this case, Smash speculation).

Is Samus Aran iconic to everyone in the world? No. Is Samus Aran iconic to people who play video games(the only people who matter in regards to Smash speculation)? Absolutely.

As I said before, nobody is talking about being iconic to non-gamers when discussing Smash characters, because non-gamers don't matter to Smash. They're talking about being iconic to the people who could, or would, buy Smash Bros.

That said, even within that circle, I don't consider 2B or Shantae to be iconic.

 

[TheCJBrine]

First off, did you even read my post at all? I literally stated my reason for believing this because it absolutely makes no sense to finally get the rights to someone, only to relegate them to a Spirit if he truly wanted him to be playable at all, or if his demand was even on Banjo (who got in before Chief and Steve btw, and Geno got shafted in favor of Cloud and Hero) levels during the ballot era. This literally has nothing to do with any “fan rule” that people here use as an excuse against promotion detractors on a daily basis. Ironically enough, its to counter another “fan rule” that Square is stingy, even though we got 4 Heroes.

Its the same song and dance over and over with this community. We were literally in this same position when Vol 1 was announced with people doing the same exact thing they are doing now, trying to paint arguments against Spirits as “fanrules”. And then the goalpost shifted when it became clear that they deconfirmed for Vol 1, “THEY ARE ONLY OUT FOR VOL 1 GENO AND SHANTAE ARE TOTALLY GETTING IN FOR VOL 2 GUYZ!!!!!!!”

Again, its literally the same song and dance all over. And people who use the “FAN RULE!!!” excuse are a dime a dozen in this community, even though they are 0-5 so far (0-6 if you count Piranha Plant).

It's one thing to believe spirits won't get upgraded, it's another to pass it off as fact and claim characters like Geno 100% will never get in just because they haven't already, which I believe was said for characters such as Ridley and K. Rool alongside other arguments. Arguably, when you're claiming it as a fact, you really are presenting it as a fan rule.

They got the rights to use Geno as a spirit, yes, but that doesn't mean there's no way Sakurai and Nintendo would negotiate for him as a fighter later on. I don't see why it's unbelievable for them to do that just because they prioritized huge series from Square. Sakurai still said he gets lots of requests, too, so he clearly had some Ballot presence or Sakurai saw the demand elsewhere, but of course he's gonna try for Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy before Geno if he can't get Geno in alongside them.

And did Sakurai say he was never turned down? I thought that was Reggie. Either way, he likely just wanted to focus on Square's two biggest series; Geno could still come as a pick solely for the fans or whatever.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

They got the rights to use Geno as a spirit, yes, but that doesn't mean there's no way Sakurai and Nintendo would negotiate for him as a fighter later on. I don't see why it's unbelievable for them to do that just because they prioritized huge series from Square.

Ok. Then answer this question for me.

Why is he a Spirit in the first place? Why did that get the rights for him to make him a legendary Spirit? If there is any incentive to add him to Ultimate, why isn’t he in our CSS like Ridley, K Rool, and Banjo?

Weird how no one ever begs the question why characters are made Spirits in the first place.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I'd argue Cloud was moreso the face of the PS1 considering how big of a deal FF7 was, and although I can't speak for Spyro, haven't all 3 of Crash's main games on the ps1 outsold Banjo's lifetime sales? That's what I mean, Sony decided to market themselves as the hardcore crowd which helped drive people towards Sony, letting Nintendo down realize they are no longer the kings

Without looking at the numbers, it sounds right. Although the N64 pushes less hardware so it is not exactly a fair comparison.

Also Final Fantasy VII is mire akin to the Ocarina of Time of the PS1 I’d wager

 

[Herocin]

First off, did you even read my post at all? I literally stated my reason for believing this because it absolutely makes no sense to finally get the rights to someone, only to relegate them to a Spirit if he truly wanted him to be playable at all, or if his demand was even on Banjo (who got in before Chief and Steve btw, and Geno got shafted in favor of Cloud and Hero) levels during the ballot era. This literally has nothing to do with any “fan rule” that people here use as an excuse against promotion detractors on a daily basis. Ironically enough, its to counter another “fan rule” that Square is stingy, even though we got 4 Heroes.

Its the same song and dance over and over with this community. We were literally in this same position when Vol 1 was announced with people doing the same exact thing they are doing now, trying to paint arguments against Spirits as “fanrules”. And then the goalpost shifted when it became clear that they deconfirmed for Vol 1, “THEY ARE ONLY OUT FOR VOL 1 GENO AND SHANTAE ARE TOTALLY GETTING IN FOR VOL 2 GUYZ!!!!!!!”

Again, its literally the same song and dance all over. And people who use the “FAN RULE!!!” excuse are a dime a dozen in this community, even though they are 0-5 so far (0-6 if you count Piranha Plant).

My entire point was don’t act As if your opinion is a fact. The way you said I’m sorry acting as if someone official had actually deconfirmed Geno wasn’t gonna happen signified how highly you viewed your opinion to an extent that you viewed it as fact which is never a good thing. At least you have came to terms with the fact that your opinion is just the opinion of another random guy on the internet

 

[TheCJBrine]

Ok. Then answer this question for me.

Why is he a Spirit in the first place? Why did that get the rights for him to make him a legendary Spirit? If there is any incentive to add him to Ultimate, why isn’t he in our CSS like Ridley, K Rool, and Banjo?

Weird how no one ever begs the question why characters are made Spirits in the first place.

I don't know, maybe the same reason he negotiated for his mii costume in Smash 4? To at least get something for fans? Hero was supposedly negotiated for/negotiations for him started during basegame development, so Sakurai probably wanted to focus on him and didn't see time to add Geno but thought he could at least represent him as a Spirit. Can you answer me why Sakurai and Nintendo wouldn't have him in mind for later/come back to him in Pass 2 when they've done it before with Mewtwo and Lucas, and possibly Villager, Ridley, and other characters not added as fighters in previous games?

His mii costume still hasn't come back, either, and while it could in Vol. 2, you could also argue it won't come back at all by your logic. Which would suck imo if he isn't in tbh.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

It IS relative though, because you can be icon WITHIN an interest circle that is applicable to the situation(in this case, Smash speculation).

Is Samus Aran iconic to everyone in the world? No. Is Samus Aran iconic to people who play video games(the only people who matter in regards to Smash speculation)? Absolutely.

As I said before, nobody is talking about being iconic to non-gamers when discussing Smash characters, because non-gamers don't matter to Smash. They're talking about being iconic to the people who could, or would, buy Smash Bros.

That said, even within that circle, I don't consider 2B or Shantae to be iconic.

...wtf does that mean?! Shantae is a CURRENT franchise that regularly releases new games! The most recent one came out last year! That's MORE modern than 2B's game!

I don’t like arguing with sales numbers often, but since your the second Shantae fan I’ve seen today argue that her series is more popular than she actually is, Nier Automata sold more than the entire Shantae series combined.

Also, it should be clear by now that any “indie slot” (which obviously isn’t happening in Ultimates lifecycle at this point) would go to either Shovel Knight, Sans, or Cuphead, considering how much content they got compared to her measly two Spirits.

Funny, isn’t it? Wayforward relentlessly shilled her during the ballot era and tried to literally will her into the game, and all they got were two little PNGs (since that is what the pro Spirit camp tries to paint them out to be) for all of their hardwork, lol.

 

[Firox]

I don't know, maybe the same reason he negotiated for his mii costume in Smash 4? To at least get something for fans? Hero was supposedly negotiated for during basegame development, so Sakurai probably wanted to focus on him and didn't see time to add Geno but thought he could at least represent him as a Spirit. Can you answer me why Sakurai and Nintendo wouldn't have him in mind for later/come back to him in Pass 2 when they've done it before with Mewtwo and Lucas, and possibly Villager, Ridley, and other characters not added as fighters in previous games?

His mii costume still hasn't come back, either, and while it could in Vol. 2, you could also argue it won't come back at all by your logic. Which would suck imo if he isn't in tbh.

Save your breath, dude. This guy refuses to entertain anyone's logic but his own. Let's just wait for history to be our judge. All it's going to take is ONE spirit promotion to shut him up once and for all.

 

[Herocin]

Save your breath, dude. This guy refuses to entertain anyone's logic but his own. Let's just wait for history to be our judge. All it's going to take is ONE spirit promotion to shut him up once and for all.

Worse than that. Only entertaining your own logic is one thing but constantly passing it off as fact. That’s fairly bad. I suppose it’s a fairly common problem with the community tbh. Said people ought to be a bit more open minded to actually enjoy speculation to its fullest

 

[Arcadenik]

Goku won the fighters ballot.
Goku has had nearly yearly releases since 1986 until present day.
Bandai Namco owns the licensing rights to Dragon Ball video games.
Bandai Namco made Smash Ultimate and the DLC.
Bandai Namco still only has one playable character.
Goku is iconic.
Goku is the ambassador of the 2020 Japanese Olympics.
Sakurai wants you to seethe.
Can't stand the demands on twitter.
Added Byleth to spite the annoying fandom.
Can only top it by adding Goku.
Goku is in.

And it turns out it’s the Goku from Yuyuki.

Disney needs to say yes to Sora so Sakurai can put Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy in Smash as spirits or Mii costumes or part of Sora’s Final Smash.

And then the Jessie and James detractors will hopefully stop holding the “no anime” rule against Team Rocket Meowth.

I am fine with a generic Meowth but it seems that a lot of people would be more excited if it was Team Rocket Meowth and most of them are hesitant to support Team Rocket Meowth because he comes with the anime baggage.

A generic Meowth cannot just use Ekans and Koffing in its moveset just because. And it wouldn’t make sense for Meowth to be with a generic Team Rocket Grunt. Jessie and James would make sense of everything.

That’s why I’m hoping Disney will let Sakurai put Sora (along with Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy) in Smash. That or Sakurai changes his mind and adds Goku from Dragon Ball in Smash.

 

[Firox]

Worse than that. Only entertaining your own logic is one thing but constantly passing it off as fact. That’s fairly bad. I suppose it’s a fairly common problem with the community tbh. Said people ought to be a bit more open minded to actually enjoy speculation to its fullest

Exactly. Bottomline is, we can only make conclusions from the data we have. Since none of us are on the Smash Bros dev team, none of us know for sure what their intentions are, past or future. We can make educated guesses based on logic, but arguing that something is flat out impossible without true insider knowledge is just willful ignorance.

 

[Dinoman96]

Geno is in bit of a weird place in that Sakurai knows his popularity...and yet hasn't really made him a priority, as he went with Cloud and Hero before him.

I say this a lot but I think the third SE "slot" (if we get one) will be the make it or break it for Geno. There's an argument to be made that Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest were both just too huge historical/influential Japanese gaming IPs to make Geno a priority over, but now they're both out of the way. With Square's two largest franchises now repped in Smash, a potential third SE rep could be anyone: Geno, 2B, Crono, Lara, Neku, whatever.

 

[TwiceEXE]

Exactly. Bottomline is, we can only make conclusions from the data we have. Since none of us are on the Smash Bros dev team, none of us know for sure what their intentions are, past or future. We can make educated guesses based on logic, but arguing that something is flat out impossible without true insider knowledge is just willful ignorance.

Goku for Smash!

 

[Firox]

Geno is in bit of a weird place in that Sakurai knows his popularity...and yet hasn't really made him a priority, as he went with Cloud and Hero before him.

I say this a lot but I think the third SE "slot" (if we get one) will be the make it or break it for Geno. There's an argument to be made that Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest were both just too huge historical/influential Japanese gaming IPs to make Geno a priority over, but now they're both out of the way. With Square's two largest franchises now repped in Smash, a potential third SE rep could be anyone: Geno, 2B, Crono, Lara, Neku, whatever.

I totally agree with your line of thinking. Geno is still very possible for a third SE rep, however, if he doesn't get in this time, I think it's pretty safe to say that he's toast. It will say once and for all that either SE, Nintendo or Sakurai himself just doesn't give enough ****s for him to get in. Though, I will point out that fan demand alone has been the boon of several past long-shots such as Ridley, Krool and Banjo. They stand as proof that Nintendo and Sakurai are not entirely oblivious to their fan base

 

[Dinoman96]

Exactly. Bottomline is, we can only make conclusions from the data we have. Since none of us are on the Smash Bros dev team, none of us know for sure what their intentions are, past or future. We can make educated guesses based on logic, but arguing that something is flat out impossible without true insider knowledge is just willful ignorance.

There is one hard rule: Be a video game character

 

[Firox]

There is one hard rule: Be a video game character

And the reason why that's a hard rule is because we have actual data for that.

A) All characters thus far have that one thing in common

B) Sakurai specifically said it himself. There's no ambiguity there. No opinions or speculation. Pure fact, unless you want to call Sakurai a straight-up liar.

 

[MooMew64]

I personally don't think Geno's chances are good. Does that objectively mean he won't make it? Heck no, I'm just some random dude on the internet guessing stuff.

Smash speculation would honestly be better if people didn't pretend their own guesswork is irrefutable law and at least acknowledge that even the most thought out hypothesis needs to be proven first.

 

[Herocin]

I personally don't think Geno's chances are good. Does that objectively mean he won't make it? Heck no, I'm just some random dude on the internet guessing stuff.

Smash speculation would honestly be better if people didn't pretend their own guesswork is irrefutable law and at least acknowledge that even the most thought out hypothesis needs to be proven first.

Exactly this is how it should be viewed. Not passing off supposed rules and opinions someone passes off as fact because that’s how they want others view it because they take speculation a bit too seriously and rather see someone’s hopes dead in the water

 

[Cosmic77]

Geno is in bit of a weird place in that Sakurai knows his popularity...and yet hasn't really made him a priority, as he went with Cloud and Hero before him.

I say this a lot but I think the third SE "slot" (if we get one) will be the make it or break it for Geno. There's an argument to be made that Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest were both just too huge historical/influential Japanese gaming IPs to make Geno a priority over, but now they're both out of the way. With Square's two largest franchises now repped in Smash, a potential third SE rep could be anyone: Geno, 2B, Crono, Lara, Neku, whatever.

Ultimate in general is sort of a make it ir break it moment for Geno. Sakurai confirmed Geno was a popular request around the same time Ultimate began development, and we've already gotten most of the other uber popular characters (Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo).

Geno will always have a chance if he stays popular, but I do think people should reevaluate just how likely he is if he doesn't get in Ultimate. Might be time to move on to a different character until SE or Nintendo figure out whether or not they care about Geno.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

And it turns out it’s the Goku from Yuyuki.

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Disney needs to say yes to Sora so Sakurai can put Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy in Smash as spirits or Mii costumes or part of Sora’s Final Smash.

And then the Jessie and James detractors will hopefully stop holding the “no anime” rule against Team Rocket Meowth.

I am fine with a generic Meowth but it seems that a lot of people would be more excited if it was Team Rocket Meowth and most of them are hesitant to support Team Rocket Meowth because he comes with the anime baggage.

A generic Meowth cannot just use Ekans and Koffing in its moveset just because. And it wouldn’t make sense for Meowth to be with a generic Team Rocket Grunt. Jessie and James would make sense of everything.

That’s why I’m hoping Disney will let Sakurai put Sora (along with Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy) in Smash. That or Sakurai changes his mind and adds Goku from Dragon Ball in Smash.

Ash Greninja, Cloud's Advent Children skin and the fact that Nintendo asked Disney for Sora are proofs that the "no 4th party" rule is just another of those fan rules that don't make much sense.
Smash is about videogame characters, but if a videogame somehow features characters who are exclusive to other media (anime, movies, real life, others), but are iconic enough as videogame characters too, IMO they are possible.
I'm sure that if Sora will manage to be in Smash, he will bring a bunch of Disney cameos and people will be surprised, Internet would explode.
James Bond (Goldeneye) was considered for Melee if I'm not wrong... 4th party will eventually happen sooner or later, as long as they represent a game (Goldeneye, Kingdom Hearts, and so).

Especially something as iconic as Team Rocket, who have been in games already (both generic and Jessie & Jane), saying that they can't be in Smash because they're anime character is wrong IMO.

Mario Kart had a Mercedes car as DLC, you can play Mario Maker as Hello Kitty and the Baby Metal, and Splatoon got an Ika Musume costume. Come on.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Save your breath, dude. This guy refuses to entertain anyone's logic but his own. Let's just wait for history to be our judge. All it's going to take is ONE spirit promotion to shut him up once and for all.

Funny how this could be applied to literally a majority of the Geno thread.

So many of you scream “T-THATS JUST A FANRULE” to any arguments made against promotions, and dismiss literally ANY opposing opinion in that thread as trolls, but you are now claiming that they “refuse to entertain anyone elses logic”.

Never change, SmashBoards.

 

[N3ON]

Sakurai has said that no third party has ever turned down a negotiation.

That's not true though, because he also said he was unable to reacquire Snake for Smash 4 DLC. Plus Sega did turn them down before changing their minds. And if Imran is to be believed (and he is quite a credible source), they've also been rebuffed by Disney Japan. And those are just the three we've heard about.

I'm not saying Square turned Geno down, but that point is not worth still holding on to.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That's not true though, because he also said he was unable to reacquire Snake for Smash 4 DLC. Plus Sega did turn them down before changing their minds. And if Imran is to be believed (and he is quite a credible source), they've also been rebuffed by Disney Japan. And those are just the three we've heard about.

I'm not saying Square turned Geno down, but that point is not worth still holding on to.

What about Bethesda? Wait no that was the other way around - Bethesda reached out but Sakurai declined to comment

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Ash Greninja, Cloud's Advent Children skin and the fact that Nintendo asked Disney for Sora are proofs that the "no 4th party" rule is just another of those fan rules that don't make much sense.
Smash is about videogame characters, but if a videogame somehow features characters who are exclusive to other media (anime, movies, real life, others), but are iconic enough as videogame characters too, IMO they are possible.
I'm sure that if Sora will manage to be in Smash, he will bring a bunch of Disney cameos and people will be surprised, Internet would explode.
James Bond (Goldeneye) was considered for Melee if I'm not wrong... 4th party will eventually happen sooner or later, as long as they represent a game (Goldeneye, Kingdom Hearts, and so).

Especially something as iconic as Team Rocket, who have been in games already (both generic and Jessie & Jane), saying that they can't be in Smash because they're anime character is wrong IMO.

Mario Kart had a Mercedes car as DLC, you can play Mario Maker as Hello Kitty and the Baby Metal, and Splatoon got an Ika Musume costume. Come on.

To be fair Sora's still a video game character and be all means he doesn't need Donald and Goofy

 

[Herocin]

Funny how this could be applied to literally a majority of the Geno thread.

So many of you scream “T-THATS JUST A FANRULE” to any arguments made against promotions, and dismiss literally ANY opposing opinion in that thread as trolls, but you are now claiming that they “refuse to entertain anyone elses logic”.

Never change, SmashBoards.

But constantly passing off their opinion as fact instead of making sure it comes across as an opinion isn’t a common occurrence in the Geno thread

 

[N3ON]

What about Bethesda? Wait no that was the other way around - Bethesda reached out but Sakurai declined to comment

Yeah, I'm sure Nintendo has done plenty of turning third-parties down. Bethesda and Suda51 are just two we actually know about.

I'm also just going to make an assumption that Ubisoft was another.

 

[Guynamednelson]

James Bond (Goldeneye) was considered for Melee if I'm not wrong.

"Since the original game is based on a movie, getting those rights = no good! "

 

[Arcadenik]

Ash Greninja, Cloud's Advent Children skin and the fact that Nintendo asked Disney for Sora are proofs that the "no 4th party" rule is just another of those fan rules that don't make much sense.
Smash is about videogame characters, but if a videogame somehow features characters who are exclusive to other media (anime, movies, real life, others), but are iconic enough as videogame characters too, IMO they are possible.
I'm sure that if Sora will manage to be in Smash, he will bring a bunch of Disney cameos and people will be surprised, Internet would explode.
James Bond (Goldeneye) was considered for Melee if I'm not wrong... 4th party will eventually happen sooner or later, as long as they represent a game (Goldeneye, Kingdom Hearts, and so).

Especially something as iconic as Team Rocket, who have been in games already (both generic and Jessie & Jane), saying that they can't be in Smash because they're anime character is wrong IMO.

Mario Kart had a Mercedes car as DLC, you can play Mario Maker as Hello Kitty and the Baby Metal, and Splatoon got an Ika Musume costume. Come on.

That's so true!

Sora comes with the 4th party baggage - Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy at the very least - and Nintendo (or Sakurai) still asked Disney for Sora.

Now, you mentioned Cloud's Advent Children skin. This (alternate) skin is from the anime movie but the character himself is a video game character.

If we apply this logic to Meowth & Team Rocket...

Meowth is a video game character. No doubt about that. In Smash, Meowth would simply have the anime voice actor just like Pikachu has had the anime voice actor in all Smash games so far. I looked it up.

Team Rocket are video game characters. They originated in video games. Jessie and James, the most famous Team Rocket members, originated in the anime. In Smash, Jessie and James would simply be (default) skins for Team Rocket.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I don’t like arguing with sales numbers often, but since your the second Shantae fan I’ve seen today argue that her series is more popular than she actually is, Nier Automata sold more than the entire Shantae series combined.

Right, and as I argued previously, Red Dead Redemption 2 probably sold more than every classic Mega Man game combined. That doesn't make Arthur Morgan more iconic Mega Man.

Because I was arguing iconicness, not popularity.

 

[Tako Tuesday]

If Geno doesn't make it as a fighter in Pass 2, I think the best option for him would be a Mii Costume, and not just his Smash 4 one either. I mean an entirely new, full body costume à la Sans and Cuphead.

This way, you would still feel like you're playing as Geno, even though it's Mii Gunner's moveset.