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2B
Blaze Fielding
Dante
Elma
Jeanne
Velvet Crowe

Assuming the Bayonetta model leak is true here's the contenders so far.
imma be real fam i love streets of rage but Blaze would never happen especially over Axel Adam or Skate but if its gonna be someone i don't see why it wouldn't be Jeanne but she really should be an echo make a pass for that
 

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The way people are talking about Capcom is how I feel about Square Enix, you could easily fill out an entire Pass worth of Square characters and have it be pretty great. Something like 2B, Geno, Sora, Crono and Lara Croft would be more than competent, and that's even leaving out another FF character like Tifa or Terra, or more off the wall picks like Bub from Bubble Bobble.
 
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BTW I know I'm very late of this but here's my dream/wishlist for FP2.

76: Crash Bandicoot
77: Nightmare
78: Master Chief (With Doom Slayer out of the running Chief is the next best bet)
79: Amaterasu or Phoenix Wright
80: 2B
81: Elma
 
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CERO only has a bone to pick with pantyshots and sideboob - which is why Mai didn’t even get so much as a Spirit
I think if Mythra's Spirit redesign is anything to go by, they do take issue with boob windows too. Mai was difficult because she pretty much ticks all the boxes, and intentionally so, so it wasn't a simple redesign. I think they'd at least have to patch Velvet's outfit up a bit, which I personally don't think would be a big deal, but I know some people are super touchy about that kind of stuff.
 

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Personally, I don’t think the visual glitches hinting at newcomers mean anything. B-K was based off of Ridley, not Duck Hunt.

Though I really want 2B in.
 

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Heres my random fighter pass season 2 wishlist:
FP6:Geno
FP7: Phoenix Wright
FP8:Steve
FP9: Lloyd (or possibly Agumon)
FP10: Grovyle/Professor Layton
FP11: Skull Kid
 
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If Tellius does actually get a remake, I'm hoping they do what they did in the original Mystery of the Emblem, where Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn are included together in one package but are still considered separate games. Their gameplay is slightly too different to really include them as one, long game.

I am more than open to having what the player does in Path of Radiance influence Radiant Dawn though.
 
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Yeah, I think it's a leap to suggest that that particular glitch means anything.

My dudes, we literally just got a new character and balance patch, and within a week y'all are scrambling to get hints on the next character. Looking at random glitches that haven't actually been proven to hint at a character? Come on now.

Sure, it may be fun but it makes this thread look a little...crazy. Love ya, but big oof.
 
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People are talking about a Capcom pass and I would honestly love that. I think another developper who actually have a lot of good character is Sega (I think the problem is that most of their franchise are dead so they're a bit less known). A Sega pass would look like this:
1. Arle (Puyo puyo)
2. Kazuma Kiryu (Yakuza)
3. Beat (Jet set radio)
4. Nights (Nights into dream)
5. Either Jacky (Virtua fighter) or Dr. Eggman (Sonic). Could maybe also be someone from Valkyria chronicles, but I know nothing about this franchise.

And while I'm at it, here would be my Capcom pass:
1. Dante (Devil may cry)
2. Amaterasu (Okami)
3. Phoenix Wright
4. Hunter (Monster hunter)
5. Frank West (Dead rising)

And here's a Square enix pass:
1. Neku (The world ends with you)
2. 2B (Nier automata)
3. Lara Croft (Tomb raider)
4. Agnes (Bravely default)
5. Either Setsuna (I am Setsuna) or Hitman or Sora (if you don't count him as Disney but as Square)
 

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Yeah, I think it's a leap to suggest that that particular glitch means anything.

My dudes, we literally just got a new character and balance patch, and within a week y'all are scrambling to get hints on the next character. Looking at random glitches that haven't actually been proven to hint at a character? Come on now.

Sure, it may be fun but it makes this thread look a little...crazy. To take that seriously. Love ya, but big oof.
It's fun enough to at least entertain the idea, I don't think anyone here is taking it as gospel, it's just a subject that at least brings up a different discussion. Sometimes it's nice to just loosen the leash a little bit and discuss hypotheticals, it's not that important whether there's much ground for the theory to stand on as long as people acknowledge that's the case. The alternative is to just keep going in circles about the same old subjects, which is what's going to happen if we limit ourselves to only discussing plausible options, especially atm as we have basically no info to go off of.

Also, it's a speculation thread, so obviously people are going to talk about potential future content, discussions about the newest patch are better served in other threads. It doesn't mean that people are already bored of their new toys, it's just part of some people's daily routine to visit this thread and chat about what might happen.
 
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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?

For me, there are quite a few. Obviously Snake is a big one, but Greninja, Robin, Cloud, and Joker stand out as well. They were all picks that I really jive with in terms of the way they play, and in terms of Cloud, Joker, and Snake...it made me play their own games and I appreciated them even more.

Pokemon Trainer is another that, while I didn't appreciate them as I should have when they initially came in Brawl, I'm so, so glad they're back for Ultimate. Insanely fun!

It's fun enough to at least entertain the idea, I don't think anyone here is taking it as gospel, it's just a subject that at least brings up a different discussion. Sometimes it's nice to just loosen the leash a little bit and discuss hypotheticals, it's not that important whether there's much ground for the theory to stand on as long as people acknowledge that's the case. The alternative is to just keep going in circles about the same old subjects, which is what's going to happen if we limit ourselves to only discussing plausible options, especially atm as we have basically no info to go off of.

Also, it's a speculation thread, so obviously people are going to talk about potential future content, discussions about the newest patch are better served in other threads. It doesn't mean that people are already bored of their new toys, it's just part of some people's daily routine to visit this thread and chat about what might happen.
It's probably more of a "old man yells at cloud" type of thing. Just seems as though some folks take some of the "leak" talk more seriously than others.

Though, I would be beyond hyped if 2B were actually in and based on Bayo. Bruh, what an addition!

EDIT: Please combine with previous post! Thanks.
 

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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?

For me, there are quite a few. Obviously Snake is a big one, but Greninja, Robin, Cloud, and Joker stand out as well. They were all picks that I really jive with in terms of the way they play, and in terms of Cloud, Joker, and Snake...it made me play their own games and I appreciated them even more.

Pokemon Trainer is another that, while I didn't appreciate them as I should have when they initially came in Brawl, I'm so, so glad they're back for Ultimate. Insanely fun!
Personally I never would had thought:ultbowserjr::ultdarksamus::ultduckhunt::ultpiranha::ultrosalina:and:ultwiifittrainer:

Third party though probably:ultbayonetta::ultcloud::ultjoker::ultsimon::ultrichter::ult_terry:
 

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BTW I know I'm very late of this but here's my dream/wishlist for FP2.

76: Crash Bandicoot
77: Nightmare
78: Master Chief (With Doom Slayer out of the running Chief is the next best bet)
79: Amaterasu or Phoenix Wright
80: 2B
81: Elma
Amaterasu would be such an amazing addition, NGL.

Swap out Elma for Rex and I'd think this pass is damn near perfect.
 

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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?

For me, there are quite a few. Obviously Snake is a big one, but Greninja, Robin, Cloud, and Joker stand out as well. They were all picks that I really jive with in terms of the way they play, and in terms of Cloud, Joker, and Snake...it made me play their own games and I appreciated them even more.

Pokemon Trainer is another that, while I didn't appreciate them as I should have when they initially came in Brawl, I'm so, so glad they're back for Ultimate. Insanely fun!
I've learned about :ultbayonetta: thanks to Smash. Now I've played both of her games and she's one of my favorite video game characters.

Shoutouts to :ultwiifittrainer: They're super fun to play and I'd never thought them as fighters myself. A lot of characters can qualify (I wasn't big on Nintendo before Smash) but they are the standouts.
 
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If Street Fighter (or a different third party series) had as many characters as the Super Mario (8 characters and 1 Echo Fighter), Pokémon (10 characters), or Fire Emblem (6 characters and 2 echo fighters) series, who would you pick and why?

For Street Fighter, I'd go with what Fire Emblem's got:
Ryu
Ken (Σ)
Akuma (Σ)
Chun-Li
M. Bison
Guile
Zangief
Menat

This covers the big names of the series, adds some important characters, and throws in a completely unique character just for fun. I didn't add Sakura or Segat because I felt that since Ryu, Ken, and Akuma all have the same moveset it would be imperative that the rest of the characters don't even remotely resemble the shotos to avoid "most of the characters are just Ryu" complaints.
for SF

Ryu
Ken (Σ)
Guile
Nash (Σ)
Chun-Li
Alex
Juri
Rashid

I would've picked Cammy and Elena but I don't think their respective outfits would be CERO friendly. Alex, Juri, and Rashid were picked due to being either the "main" character of their generation (Alex for SF3 and Rashid for SF5) or the standout (Juri for SF4)
 
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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?

For me, there are quite a few. Obviously Snake is a big one, but Greninja, Robin, Cloud, and Joker stand out as well. They were all picks that I really jive with in terms of the way they play, and in terms of Cloud, Joker, and Snake...it made me play their own games and I appreciated them even more.

Pokemon Trainer is another that, while I didn't appreciate them as I should have when they initially came in Brawl, I'm so, so glad they're back for Ultimate. Insanely fun!
Terry. I enjoyed him enough to put in the time to learn the command inputs (which I can do fairly consistently now), and ended up learning a lot about Fighting Games due to his addition.
 
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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?!
Back in 64
:ultness:
:ultsamus:
:ultfalcon:

And then there’s a huge gap until Smash 4 with :ultshulk:

But it’s not only about the confirmed characters, you know?
Speculation and AT deconfirmations has led me to try some other characters as well, such as:

Metroid Prime
Shantae
Nazo no Murasame Jo
Sin & Punishment

Among others.
 

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Now the question is, what characters would fit the criteria of "would use Bayo as a base" if this turns out to be legit
Although she isn't that well endowed, but Noel Vermillion mainly because of the dual wielding guns and she seems combo orientated as well.
 

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I'm surprised people are still bringing up the "Smash is for good boys and girls" argument. Regarding Velvet, you could tweak her just a bit and she'd basically be on the level of female Byleth. It's really not that hard.
 

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Yeah, I think it's a leap to suggest that that particular glitch means anything.

My dudes, we literally just got a new character and balance patch, and within a week y'all are scrambling to get hints on the next character. Looking at random glitches that haven't actually been proven to hint at a character? Come on now.

Sure, it may be fun but it makes this thread look a little...crazy. To take that seriously. Love ya, but big oof.
How could anyone get bored of Byleth Down-B and the infinite possibilities that are the Rabbid Hat?
 

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Now the question is, what characters would fit the criteria of "would use Bayo as a base" if this turns out to be legit
It's not, so maybe we don't all waste a bunch of energy on it.

Didn't we already agree that Mai kinda ****ed Morrigan over?
No. People have pointed out that CEROs big issue is with upskirts, which Morrigan doesn't have. She's not any more exposed than Cammy, who has a spirit already.
 

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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?

For me, there are quite a few. Obviously Snake is a big one, but Greninja, Robin, Cloud, and Joker stand out as well. They were all picks that I really jive with in terms of the way they play, and in terms of Cloud, Joker, and Snake...it made me play their own games and I appreciated them even more.

Pokemon Trainer is another that, while I didn't appreciate them as I should have when they initially came in Brawl, I'm so, so glad they're back for Ultimate. Insanely fun!
Before release, I thought :ultdarksamus: would be a character I never used. I hadn't ever used Samus in the older games, why would a different coat of paint change that? Same deal with :ulthero:, what we had seen of him before his release didn't interest me.
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Funny how things work out.
 

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So, since it's February now: What are everyone's expectations for a Direct? This upcoming week, or the one thereafter?
 

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So, since it's February now: What are everyone's expectations for a Direct? This upcoming week, or the one thereafter?
I still think there needs to be one before AC's release... I think that's in April. So even if it's an AC Direct, we'd probably need more info, plus we don't have too much in terms of 2020's first parties yet. So my guess is either the next two weeks or early March.

Even so, I don't expect a Smash reveal right now. They'll probably focus on other things.

There seems to be a rumor that there’s one this week.

Still, just a rumor, but I need it. Gimme Pikminnnnnnnn-
Any links or sources for these rumors? Just curious.
 

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So, since it's February now: What are everyone's expectations for a Direct? This upcoming week, or the one thereafter?
I think we get one this or next week. Unless Nintendo has nothing planned for early in the year we gotta get news on something soon.
 
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So, since it's February now: What are everyone's expectations for a Direct? This upcoming week, or the one thereafter?
I'm guessing we're getting a Direct sometime in March, so I'm not really expecting any big announcements happening this month aside from anything Animal Crossing related.
 

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I still think there needs to be one before AC's release... I think that's in April. So even if it's an AC Direct, we'd probably need more info, plus we don't have too much in terms of 2020's first parties yet. So my guess is either the next two weeks or early March.
March 20th, actually. Same day as Doom Eternal.
 

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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?

For me, there are quite a few. Obviously Snake is a big one, but Greninja, Robin, Cloud, and Joker stand out as well. They were all picks that I really jive with in terms of the way they play, and in terms of Cloud, Joker, and Snake...it made me play their own games and I appreciated them even more.

Pokemon Trainer is another that, while I didn't appreciate them as I should have when they initially came in Brawl, I'm so, so glad they're back for Ultimate. Insanely fun!
For Brawl, I would say it'd have to be :ultrob:. I always thought he looked really cool and his attacks are really fun! He like shoots energy beams from his eyes and hovers around on a jet pack. Sakurai gave him some personality to work with in Brawl's Subspace Emissary and in every instalment of Smash Bros he's been in, he's always felt good to play as.

For Smash 4, I have to go with :ultbrawler:. I've never liked most of the Smash 4 newcomers since most of them never click with me. Either they control way too weirdly for me to enjoy or I don't like their gimmicks. Mii Brawler is simple, easy to use, I like the custom movesets for them and I can play as myself!

Finally for Ultimate, it of course has to be :ultjoker:. Never really cared about the Persona series and when he was revealed I was just like "huh...". After watching a playthrough of Persona 5 on YouTube, I really liked the look of the game and I started to understand why Nintendo and Sakurai picked him. I like his design and he plays okay-ish, I'm just not a big fan of his character archetype (I'm more of a fan of heavy, rush down characters). Also I like seeing fan art of Banjo and Joker switching their buddies around. It'd be a really strange crossover though.
 

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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?

For me, there are quite a few. Obviously Snake is a big one, but Greninja, Robin, Cloud, and Joker stand out as well. They were all picks that I really jive with in terms of the way they play, and in terms of Cloud, Joker, and Snake...it made me play their own games and I appreciated them even more.

Pokemon Trainer is another that, while I didn't appreciate them as I should have when they initially came in Brawl, I'm so, so glad they're back for Ultimate. Insanely fun!


It's probably more of a "old man yells at cloud" type of thing. Just seems as though some folks take some of the "leak" talk more seriously than others.

Though, I would be beyond hyped if 2B were actually in and based on Bayo. Bruh, what an addition!

EDIT: Please combine with previous post! Thanks.
For me it's Hero (technically we expect it after Vergeben leak but I was personally still doubtful). I was expecting a classis sword fighter with some small magic elements, but I would have never expect a command menu and mp management. Also Hero in Smash was pretty much the reason I bought DQ 11 S (my first DQ game).
 

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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?

For me, there are quite a few. Obviously Snake is a big one, but Greninja, Robin, Cloud, and Joker stand out as well. They were all picks that I really jive with in terms of the way they play, and in terms of Cloud, Joker, and Snake...it made me play their own games and I appreciated them even more.

Pokemon Trainer is another that, while I didn't appreciate them as I should have when they initially came in Brawl, I'm so, so glad they're back for Ultimate. Insanely fun!
Terry is the big one for me, I barely even knew him prior to his reveal, and I was really expecting to dislike his playstyle as I don't like playing the shotos and blamed it on the command inputs, but he's been an absolute jam for me to play. He just feels like such a natural inclusion, everything from his moveset to his personality to the series he brings in, it all feels like it just belongs. I think the real reason I don't like the shotos is that playing as them is like trying to fight inside a telephone box, where as Terry's movement and reach fits me so much better.
 
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Here's something to talk about: Think of a character that you never expected, but has become one of your favorite additions to the roster?

For me, there are quite a few. Obviously Snake is a big one, but Greninja, Robin, Cloud, and Joker stand out as well. They were all picks that I really jive with in terms of the way they play, and in terms of Cloud, Joker, and Snake...it made me play their own games and I appreciated them even more.

Pokemon Trainer is another that, while I didn't appreciate them as I should have when they initially came in Brawl, I'm so, so glad they're back for Ultimate. Insanely fun!
As for outright not knowing them before they got in, I mean, I'm a big Fire Emblem fan thanks to Smash.

For knowing but just not expecting them, definitely Greninja. The prevailing thoughts of Smash 4 speculation before Greninja's announcement consisted of "it'll just be the Brawl roster plus Mewtwo for Pokémon," and I doubted any singular starter Pokémon thinking that Trainer was proof they wanted to be "fair."

And then Greninja gets announced, my favorite Kalos starter. A character I really liked, but never gave any serious thought to with regards to Smash Bros., made it in. Even today, that's still pretty cool.
 

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Alright, under the assumption that FP2 has no Capcom characters, this is what my dream Capcom Fighter Pass would be.

1: Dante (Devil May Cry)
2: Arthur (Ghosts N Goblins)
3: Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney)
4: Nemesis (Resident Evil)
And to cap (heh) it off with a pipe dream.
5: Asura (Asura's Wrath)
1. Arthur [Ghosts ‘n Goblins]
2. Nathan Spencer [Bionic Commando]
3. Jill Valentine [Resident Evil]
4. Morrigan [Darkstalkers]
5. Dante [Devil May Cry]

The only way for any of this to happen though...is if Nintendo buys Capcom, and all Capcom's characters become first party!
 

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Any links or sources for these rumors? Just curious.
Really just from the Geno thread; not from Fatman (though I disagree with what others say about him), and not a Geno fan, but idk. He’s Nessdeltarune. He just seems to get a bit of info, and said he viewed Fatman better because of a Mii list with Cuphead and said he heard a few other things Fatman also heard, despite him being critical of Fatman.

https://smashboards.com/threads/gen...-2-speculation.446378/page-2366#post-23817119

Since he seems like he could be trusted based on what I’ve read in there, even if we tend to argue, what he said + plus all the Paper Mario and Pikmin rumors and whatever going around are just making me hope/think there’s a good chance of a direct this week or the next. Sabi also said something about ports in a very close direct:
https://twitter.com/new_wabisabi/status/1222985375167045632?s=21
 
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anyone notice that Byleth's banner on the site still says "Dropping on 1/28"?
 

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Really just from the Geno thread; not from Fatman (though I disagree with what others say about him), and not a Geno fan, but idk. He’s Nessdeltarune. He just seems to get a bit of info, and said he viewed Fatman better because of a Mii list with Cuphead and said he heard a few other things Fatman also heard, despite him being critical of Fatman.

https://smashboards.com/threads/gen...-2-speculation.446378/page-2366#post-23817119
I'm fairly certain Nessdeltrarune is not a viable source at all and I don't know why we're taking stock into what he says. He's just like the rest of us, a speculator.
 
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