Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Will]

Tested out the new Ryu/Ken buffs, D-Smash cancel into a ****ing slide tatsumaki is an amazing glitch.

Might as well love it while it lasts before it gets emergency patched.

 

[DevaAshera]

Thanks to everyone for the thorough and detailed explanations of Fate. I respect your passion for the franchise.



I hadn't considered that, but I'm a sucker for cel shading when used effectively.
And cel shaded visuals tend to age very well.

I didn't know I wanted a cel shaded NieR Automata: Nintendo Switch Edition until now.

I know, right? Just look at the artwork for the game (click to enlarge), its so good..seeing it in a well done cel shading 3D would be amazing.

 

[Sysreq]

I do actually remember her and remember beating her game and actually enjoying it, mind you.

I liked it too! I got all the goddamn cards in that game. I had the second one as well although I don't believe I beat that one.

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

Here.

Much obliged!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Tested out the new Ryu/Ken buffs, D-Smash cancel into a ****ing slide tatsumaki is an amazing glitch.

Might as well love it while it lasts before it gets emergency patched.

Considering you could do that in their games and people noted that cancelling midcharge is Kara Cancelling I'm pretty sure it's deliberate

 

[Will]

I'm pretty sure it's deliberate

I will remember this post during the next patch

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

Tested out the new Ryu/Ken buffs, D-Smash cancel into a ****ing slide tatsumaki is an amazing glitch.

Might as well love it while it lasts before it gets emergency patched.

Pretty sure it's intentional as they did note it's special cancelability in all patch notes.

 

[Will]

Pretty sure it's intentional as they did note it's special cancelability in all patch notes.

The cancelability but not the slide part.

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

I know, right? Just look at the artwork for the game (click to enlarge), its so good..seeing it in a well done cel shading 3D would be amazing.
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Yeah, NieR Automata has very aesthetically appealing art direction, from what I've seen, which is admittedly not very much. I've only watched spoiler free reviews of the game, since I've heard it's best to experience it knowing as little of the story as possible.
Honestly, it would probably look a lot better cel shaded than if they tried to do a straight port. Certain games, like DOOM, look great on Switch, all things considered. Others, like The Witcher, look notably rougher. But games like Breath of the Wild are beautiful despite not being very impressive on a purely technical level.

I'm low key hoping for a NieR Switch reveal at E3, possibly coinciding with 2B in Smash, if that's happening. That said, I'm still waiting for the Persona 5 port that felt so inevitable this time a year ago.

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

The cancelability but not the slide part.

Guess we'll find out. It isn't exactly game breaking if it is unintentional.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Guess we'll find out. It isn't exactly game breaking if it is unintentional.

I mean, wavedashing was a glitch that was kept in for being deemed not a big deal but as we all know it had quite the influence

 

[Will]

Guess we'll find out. It isn't exactly game breaking if it is unintentional.

Tatsu slide is actually hella fast and a pretty quick catch on either side if you can do some reads. Not sure how good Ken's is but Ryu's could kill.

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

I mean, wavedashing was a glitch that was kept in for being deemed not a big deal but as we all know it had quite the influence

That's true. Sometimes glitches can define the entire game for the better. SF2's normal cancels were glitches and that ended up creating the entire combo system that we know and love today.

Tatsu slide is actually hella fast and a pretty quick catch on either side if you can do some reads. Not sure how good Ken's is but Ryu's could kill.

Ryu needed something. It's pretty nice he got it.

 

[DevaAshera]

Yeah, NieR Automata has very aesthetically appealing art direction, from what I've seen, which is admittedly not very much. I've only watched spoiler free reviews of the game, since I've heard it's best to experience it knowing as little of the story as possible.
Honestly, it would probably look a lot better cel shaded than if they tried to do a straight port. Certain games, like DOOM, look great on Switch, all things considered. Others, like The Witcher, look notably rougher. But games like Breath of the Wild are beautiful despite not being very impressive on a purely technical level.

I'm low key hoping for a NieR Switch reveal at E3, possibly coinciding with 2B in Smash, if that's happening. That said, I'm still waiting for the Persona 5 port that felt so inevitable this time a year ago.

Yeah, the artwork was done by the same person who did the art for Final Fantasy XII, Final Fantasy III DS, and the Bravely Default series, Akihiko Yoshida, does amazing work. I may love the realistic graphics (and how beautiful every aspect of the game is visually) but seeing it in Cel Shading could be just as amazing.

I suspect that despite Joker being in Smash, Atlus feels some strange sort of 'loyalty' to PlayStation to keep all of the main series Persona titles on the systems.

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

I suspect that despite Joker being in Smash, Atlus feels some strange sort of 'loyalty' to PlayStation to keep all of the main series Persona titles on the systems.

I wish they didn't. So many new Persona games I'll never get to play because I refuse to support Sony.

 

[cosmicB]

A Visual Novel is an interactive story where the player choice affects the outcome. They're kinda like an electronic choose your own adventure novel. Often there is overlap with the dating sim genre, but not always. While some people scoff, they are firmly in the realm of video games. Probably the most popular Visual Novel series is Ace Attorney. Other examples include Steins;Gate, Higurashi (When They Cry), and Clanaad. Many Visual Novels, including Fate, get adapted into anime, so that becomes many people's first exposure to them and consequently they are unaware they technically originate as video games.

It should be noted that Japan makes a distinction here. Stuff with little to no interaction are NVLs or Sound Novels, while stuff with a bunch of interactive elements are ADVs. Ace Attorney, Steins;Gate and Danganronpa are all considered ADVs rather than straight visual novels in Japan. Whether that distinction is important in regards to Sakurai picking a character is of course impossible to know.

 

[Krankees]

Tested out the new Ryu/Ken buffs, D-Smash cancel into a ****ing slide tatsumaki is an amazing glitch.

Might as well love it while it lasts before it gets emergency patched.

You're talking about cancelling it when it whiffs right? That one is so hard.

 

[Pinguino21v]

Let's try this again:
Suit: Phoenix Wright
Slayer: Monster Hunter

Suit is right!
One missing: if you don't know well the character, it will be hard to find. Tip: it's the same logic behind Jaguar.

 

[Ben Holt]

So amigos, both deluxe Mii costumes have been Gunner.
Do you think we'll get any for Brawler and/or Swordfighter?
If so, what characters do you see getting Sans and Cuphead esque Mii Costumes?
My votes are:
Brawler: Shantae and Frisk
Swordfighter: Steve and Shovel Knight

 

[Will]

Swordfighter: Steve

Until you can convince me that he can do the animations for Swordfighter without having to move limbs like joints then I will agree.

 

[Ben Holt]

Until you can convince me that he can do the animations for Swordfighter without having to move limbs like joints then I will agree.

That will be the compromise. His limbs will bend, but they'd be hard bends. Like an N64 model, basically.

 

[cosmicB]

So amigos, both deluxe Mii costumes have been Gunner.
Do you think we'll get any for Brawler and/or Swordfighter?
If so, what characters do you see getting Sans and Cuphead esque Mii Costumes?
My votes are:
Brawler: Shantae and Frisk
Swordfighter: Steve and Shovel Knight

I feel like we're just going to get more gunners. Quote still missing.

 

[Will]

That will be the compromise. His limbs will bend, but they'd be hard bends. Like an N64 model, basically.

That's the thing though, Minecraft models aren't meant to bend.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That will be the compromise. His limbs will bend, but they'd be hard bends. Like an N64 model, basically.

That's a lot more effort than what Sans or Cuphead had, the whole point of mii costumes is that they're easy to make so literally having to animate a character all over again for a specific costume just doesn't work

 

[Ben Holt]

That's a lot more effort than what Sans or Cuphead had, the whole point of mii costumes is that they're easy to make so literally having to animate a character all over again for a specific costume just doesn't work

Sans and Cuphead are slightly more complex than other Mii Costumes because they are much more meticulous with scaling. That's why I call them "Deluxe".

 

[Cadillac]

Suit is right!
One missing: if you don't know well the character, it will be hard to find. Tip: it's the same logic behind Jaguar.

"Slayer"
I may or may not know who that is.

So amigos, both deluxe Mii costumes have been Gunner.
Do you think we'll get any for Brawler and/or Swordfighter?
If so, what characters do you see getting Sans and Cuphead esque Mii Costumes?
My votes are:
Brawler: Shantae and Frisk
Swordfighter: Steve and Shovel Knight

Brawler: The girl from Celeste
Swordfighter: Shovel Knight, Steve

 

[Ben Holt]

"Slayer"
I may or may not know who that is.

Sweet! I love Slayer! We getting Raining Blood, South of Heaven, War Ensemble, and Angel of Death on Pictochat?

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

The vast majority of my most wanted newcomers have either already been added to the roster, are currently assists and therefore extremely unlikely to make the roster this time around, or are simply so obscure that I never expected them to make the roster in the first place.
So I don't really feel entitled to be disappointed, per se, by any new inclusions. But there are a few popular and frequently discussed characters whose announcement would only cause me to shrug and think, well, that must be exciting for fans of that character, so that's good for them, but I'll probably never buy this challenger pack for myself. Granted, I might be convinced to buy them later on, as I did Joker, despite having never played Persona to this day and not being a fan. RelaxAlax sold me on the character and if the game is ever released on Switch, I may give it a try.
Keep in mind I don't bear any ill will toward fans of any of these characters, I just personally don't really like or care about them.
I'm ranking them in order from most to least... unappealing.

1. Sora
I'm not a fan of most JRPGs, but I'm especially disinterested in anything with a convoluted or nonsensical story. I also generally dislike certain anime aesthetic cliches like clothing with pointless zippers, buckles, chains, and belts. So despite being initially curious about Kingdom Hearts thanks to my childhood nostalgia for Disney, I've always been put off by the gameplay, story, and the aesthetic. I especially dislike Sora's character design. Everything from his voice and personality, to his silly costumes. He looks like a teenager's OC on Deviant Art circa 2002, who was then awkwardly shoehorned into a poorly written crossover fanfic after being redrawn with poofy red pants and giant yellow clown shoes in an attempt to make him look more Disney-ish.
On top of all that, taking into consideration that if Sora is added to the roster, then either he'll bring with him at least some not-original-to-gaming licensed characters and content (which I just really don't want in Smash), or half of what makes Kingdom Hearts what it is will be awkwardly ignored. My preference would be for the latter, and I'll go so far as to predict that if Sora were added, he'd receive a Smash-original revamped design, complete with a Smash logo keychain dangling from the keyblade in place of the Mickey emblem. Kingdom Hearts just seems like it would be even more difficult to license than FINAL FANTASY, and given how barebones and lackluster the FFVII content in Smash is compared the the fan service that most other guest fighters have received, Sora feels like a waste of a challenger pack.

2. Travis Touchdown
I have never played No More Heroes, and am not interested in doing so. Travis gives me an anime Deadpool kind of vibe, and I don't find him appealing or even interesting enough to say more than that.

3. Reimu
I only know this character exists thanks to her relentlessly vocal fans within the Smash speculation community. I just find the immortal and ancient(?) magical anime Lolita character archetype off putting, and I've never read or heard anything about her to convince me otherwise.

4. Dante from the Devil May Cry series
DMC is one of those series that I've watched trailers and reviews of, and never felt compelled to play it. I'm more open to Dante's inclusion now that the DMC games are finally being released on Nintendo hardware, and he is at least a fairly unique and compelling character aesthetically speaking. As long as he isn't as broken as Bayonetta was, I wouldn't really be upset about his inclusion, just kind of indifferent.

5. Ryu Hayabusa
Speaking of indifferent, I don't have any strong feelings toward Generic Ninja. Unlike every other series I've listed up to this point, I've actually played and finished Ninja Gaiden for NES. My impression was that it was basically Castlevania if it were less interesting in every way and too frustrating and cheap to be fun to play. That said, Hayabusa is a true gaming icon of the NES era and beyond, so I don't consider Koei Tecmo undeserving of the honor by any means. I'm sure Sakurai would make Ryu fun to play as, but he seems a bit bland at a glance.

6. Heihachi / other Tekken characters
I've played Tekken briefly, and it really only served to remind me why Super Smash Bros. is the only fighting games series I enjoy playing. Games like Tekken, Soul Calibur, King of Fighters, and Street Fighter just aren't very accessible to a novice such as myself, so I don't have any attachment to characters from those games. That being said, I enjoy playing as Ryu and Terry from time to time, and I understand why Sakurai likes to pay tribute to these classic fighting games. Plus, I know for a fact that despite having no idea who Heihachi is, my brother would really get a kick out of playing as a buff old man in Smash. I would probably buy Heihachi for that reason alone.

So there's my list. Honorable mentions go to pretty much any mobile game character, because I hate mobile games, but I don't have a specific character in mind.

Edit: Haha, I just noticed that it's been so long since I've posted here that I still have my old newcomer support buttons from the Smash 4 era.
Edit 2: Left out a word.

Thank you for replying, but your animosity towards Sora hurts my soul. He is my #1 most wanted newcomer.

 

[Ben Holt]

Thank you for replying, but your animosity towards Sora hurts my soul. He is my #1 most wanted newcomer.

You'll hate me, then.
I don't think Sora will ever come to Smash due to Disney.

 

[PSIGuy]

I actually bought Cuphead since it was on sale to celebrate the Mii Costume. I kept thinking “I can’t believe people mortgaged their house just so they could spend all day hand animating everything I’m seeing”. It’s such an insane risk. Obviously it paid off in this instance but talk about scary. Only up to the second isle and I can already tell I’ll be swearing like a sailor by the end of it...
Wonder if any of the other Deluxe Mii Fighters will be franchises I was familiar with prior to their costumification. If they’re not and they go on discount I guess they’ll get a sale from me anyways.

 

[Dinoman96]

I'd like to see a Yooka-Laylee Mii Brawler outfit. Maybe they could get Grant Kirkhope back to do another remix to go along with it.

 

[Ben Holt]

I'd like to see a Yooka-Laylee Mii Brawler outfit. Maybe they could get Grant Kirkhope back to do another remix to go along with it.

I dunno about that one. Yooka-Laylee's fame came more from its development team than the game's reception. Reception was lukewarm.
But at least it wasn't the total ****storm that was Mighty No. 9. That game was a total flop financially and critically. It made people flip on a dime from saying that "Keiji Inafune is the savior of the Mega Man legacy!" to "Thank God Inafune's not in charge of Mega Man anymore."
Though in his defense, Capcom did him dirty.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Hey so

Elma/Fiora/Black Shadow/Octoling intensifies

Wait, did they actually change the names of the old Zelda Spirits? Because AFAIK they just added the new ones for Byleth without any changes to the rest whatsoever.

For the record, I know where you're coming from and I do agree that "they wouldn't rename Spirits" is a stupid argument, but I don't really thinks this raises the chances of a Spirit promotion.

 

[Dinoman96]

I dunno about that one. Yooka-Laylee's fame came more from its development team than the game's reception. Reception was lukewarm.
But at least it wasn't the total ****storm that was Mighty No. 9. That game was a total flop financially and critically. It made people flip on a dime from saying that "Keiji Inafune is the savior of the Mega Man legacy!" to "Thank God Inafune's not in charge of Mega Man anymore."
Though in his defense, Capcom did him dirty.

Yeah, but that was just the first game. Yooka-Laylee and the Impossible Lair has seen a mostly positive reception.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah, but that was just the first game. Yooka-Laylee and the Impossible Lair has seen a mostly positive reception.

As great as it is that they managed to remember 2D platformers were their strong suit, I remember hearing it hasn't performed too well, shame really

 

[Kalaam]

So basically they won't be bothered adding something to a spirit's name to distinguish it from another version of it either. Not surprising

 

[Herocin]

Waluigi: He. Is. An. Assist Trophy! Deal with it! Accept it! Sakurai already made up his mind and the game is already done! He's an damn assist trophy! Redoing it would be a waste of resources! If he also does Waluigi then other people will be clamoring for others to be upgraded who are assists like Isaac and Shadow and that won't be fair for them. Wait until the next Smash game that's when he'll maybe get his chance eventually.

Fortnite character: As Chunky stated above.

Goku or any non-gaming character: Smash is all about gaming. Why Goku should be an exceptional case just because he's popular isn't an good excuse. Guess that means Batman, Shrek, Spider-Man and such she be added too because they're popular right?

Really are the only ones I can think of that I won't want in Smash.

The first one doesn’t really come off as a character you dislike rather a character you are trying to disprove tbh. And you could also argue that Mr Sakurai includes characters all the time which make other characters fanbases view it as an unfair inclusion. Incineroar and Decidueye, Banjo and Steve etc and I’m fairly certain Sakurai was still aware of these character’s fanbases and how they would have felt if they were ‘snubbed’ but he did it anyway. Sometimes in order to make an omelet you gotta break some eggs
Side note I find the wasted resources argument to be absurd. If Sakurai is pleasing the general populace then he couldn’t care less about what resources he wasted. They wouldn’t be wasted anyway they could always be used for a playableWaluigi

 

[Calamitas]

Wait, did they actually change the names of the old Zelda Spirits? Because AFAIK they just added the new ones for Byleth without any changes to the rest whatsoever.

For the record, I know where you're coming from and I do agree that "they wouldn't rename Spirits" is a stupid argument, but I don't really thinks this raises the chances of a Spirit promotion.

Yeah, I checked. The Hilda spirit is now called "Hilda (The Legend of Zelda)".

 

[Guynamednelson]

Side note I find the wasted resources argument to be absurd. If Sakurai is pleasing the general populace then he couldn’t care less about what resources he wasted. They wouldn’t be wasted anyway the could always be used for a playable Waluigi

And veteran ATs are full of Smash 4 assets/relics from being forced to deal with limited Wii hardware anyway, so it's not like a ****ton of work is being thrown away. Might as well say Dark Samus and Isabelle's promotions threw away hard work.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Spirits getting renamed to avoid confusion doesn't really matter as that was never the core argument of spirits likely not getting upgraded. That being said it's a nice QoL change which we could use more of