Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[BZocky]

Dataminers dug in. Here's what the files look like after Byleth (who is called "Master" in the files) for those curious.

Don't take it as a sign that DLC is happening after Vol. 2 though.

"The character selection for Fighter Pass Vol.2 was made entirely by the Magic Conch."

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

.- Sora (Disney)

Professor Layton (Level-5)

You son of a *****, I'm in

 

[perfectchaos83]

Dataminers dug in. Here's what the files look like after Byleth (who is called "Master" in the files) for those curious.

Don't take it as a sign that DLC is happening after Vol. 2 though.

Just chiming in to say that this many placeholders has been known about since launch.

those the WoL placeholders or the not-WoL placeholders that supposedly accounted for alts?

This is the files from the CSS.

 

[epicmartin7]

Dataminers dug in. Here's what the files look like after Byleth (who is called "Master" in the files) for those curious.

Don't take it as a sign that DLC is happening after Vol. 2 though.

Agreed. Smash Ultimate has such a weird update history regarding placeholders, you can't really track anything anymore.

- The executable has 29 (not 30, legit 29) placeholders as seen in the quoted post above me.
- Apparently, a Character Selection Screen file also had 29 placeholders, but was removed in v2.0.0.
- There was 16 placeholders in [spirits_campaign_enc_foto_param.prc] at launch, but now (counting DLC chars), there are 18 with a very inconsistent file history.
- And there's also 16 placeholders in [attack_log_parameter.prc] which unlike [spirits_campaign_enc_foto_param.prc] has a very consistent update history and continuously uses the placeholders put in place since launch.
- And finally, the CSS, even as of 7.0.0, can only accept 10 more CSS spots (provided we don't get double fighters or the game isn't updated to expand these limits down the line.)

So yeah, the game is becoming sentient lol.

Just chiming in to say that this many placeholders has been known about since launch.



This is the files from the CSS.

Nope. This is entries pulled straight from the executable. They are completely different from the WoL placeholders in [spirits_campaign_enc_foto_param.prc].

 

[perfectchaos83]

Nope. This is entries pulled straight from the executable. They are completely different from the WoL placeholders in [spirits_campaign_enc_foto_param.prc].

I never said it was the WoL data. I know it's not the WoL data. I said it was the CSS data.

 

[Droodle]

Day 2287

Still no HD port of Kid Icarus Uprising.

I sleep.

And so does #HadesforSmash

 

[epicmartin7]

I never said it was the WoL data. I know it's not the WoL data. I said it was the CSS data.

It's actually not the CSS data either. It's related to the fighter IDs of characters directly, but my bad for confusing your original post! This stuff can be quite confusing sometimes lol.

Also, I've added sources to my original post for those more curious about stuff.

 

[perfectchaos83]

It's actually not the CSS data either. It's related to the fighter IDs of characters directly, but my bad for confusing your original post! This stuff can be quite confusing sometimes lol.

Also, I've added sources to my original post for those more curious about stuff.

I see, I reread your post. My original post was referencing this:

Apparently, a Character Selection Screen file also had 29 placeholders, but was removed in v2.0.0.

Considering the picture looked exactly like this: https://hastebin.com/opokenuwer.css

Is what led me to believe it was the same file. (The above being the removed file)

 

[epicmartin7]

I see, I reread your post. My original post was referencing this:



Considering the picture looked exactly like this: https://hastebin.com/opokenuwer.css

Is what led me to believe it was the same file. (The above being the removed file)

It's weird because I originally thought those placeholders were removed too. However, that appears to not be the case. I was always told that, but it seems some confusion was spreading into the mix as the TCRF is now saying a separate CSS file also had 30 (or I bet 29 as humans instinctively round things) placeholders removed in v2.0.0.

So basically, I think someone accidentally crossed the streams.

 

[SNEKeater]

Aight since we're doing the codename game again and I already let some of mine slip anyway, here's the full list of mine

Steve - Terra
Sol Badguy - Freddie
Kiryu - Dragon
2B - Pencil
Reimu - Blossom
Lloyd - Regenerator

Freddie and Regenerator are really good ones.
But Pencil... I fully completed Nier Automata back then and I don't get the reference

Day 2287

Still no HD port of Kid Icarus Uprising.

I sleep.

And so does #HadesforSmash

I see you're a man of culture as well. The best Nintendo game in the last decade™ deserves a sequel, but at least a remaster would be nice.

 

[Megadoomer]

Freddie and Regenerator are really good ones.
But Pencil... I fully completed Nier Automata back then and I don't get the reference

All I can think of is that a Number 2 pencil is the most commonly-used type, but then again, I've only played the intro to Nier Automata.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Still no HD port of Kid Icarus Uprising.

Main reason I wanna get an 3DS.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Freddie and Regenerator are really good ones.
But Pencil... I fully completed Nier Automata back then and I don't get the reference

It's actually just a reference to the type of pencils that most people write with. It's a really esoteric pun that I don't expect most people to get, but that's why I went with it lmao.

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member]

There aren't really any characters I want, I just hope we get nothing but Fire Emblem characters until Smash fans stop whining about fun characters to play as simply because they aren't the one they particularly want

That is pretty ******* dumb because there is nothing wrong about expressing disappointment.

 

[Sysreq]

You know, I think I've come around. I think FromSoftware does deserve a rep. Their games are crazy iconic and all.

Spoiler

What? You don't remember Katia from Lost Kingdoms for the Nintendo Gamecube developed by FromSoftware?

 

[Megadoomer]

You know, I think I've come around. I think FromSoftware does deserve a rep. Their games are crazy iconic and all.

Spoiler

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What? You don't remember Katia from Lost Kingdoms for the Nintendo Gamecube developed by FromSoftware?

You're kidding, right? There's a From Software character that would be absolutely perfect that you didn't mention.

Spoiler

I am, of course, referring to President Michael Wilson, from Metal Wolf Chaos.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

You better hope this byleth doesnt catch you online, your ass is grass

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[andree123]

Byleth needs to be nerfed in the next update.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I am, of course, referring to President Michael Wilson, from Metal Wolf Chaos.

"I'm going to be in Smash. Why? Because I'm the President of the Great United States of America!"

 

[P.Kat]

You better hope this byleth doesnt catch you online, your ass is grass

There was a problem fetching the tweet

My Roy will make short work of him

 

[PeridotGX]

People talk about Sylux, Porky, Stahl, and Adeline all the time, but we forget the true Nintendo icon with conspicuous absence

Mll King is Post-pass DLC confirmed.

 

[Opossum]

Byleth needs to be nerfed in the next update.

Absolutely not. Byleth has so many drawbacks as it is, due to their movement and attack speed.

 

[Cosmic77]

Byleth needs to be nerfed in the next update.

I think Byleth is fine as is. I'm having a much easier time dealing with them online than I initially did with Joker, Hero, and Terry.

Then again, people keep using the axe when it never hits. It's a free grab every time.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hey so

Elma/Fiora/Black Shadow/Octoling intensifies

 

[shinhed-echi]

Alright let’s do a game I guess.

give me your fighter pass 2, only rule is you can’t use any company that had a character from pass 1 (so no Sega, Square-Enix, Microsoft, SNK, or Nintendo characters)

1) Capcom - Nathan Spencer (Bionic Commando)
2) Arc Systems - Billy Lee (Double Dragon)
3) Blizzard - Thrall (Warcraft)
4) Tecmo-Koei - Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
5) Bethesda - Doomguy (DOOM)
6) WayForward - Shantae

 

[perfectchaos83]

Hey so

Elma/Fiora/Black Shadow/Octoling intensifies

I don't think this makes spirit promotions likely. But it does shoot down that terrible argument "What would they do with the spirit already in the game?"

 

[Rangez]

Hey so

Elma/Fiora/Black Shadow/Octoling intensifies

Just so you know, there are many other Spirits in the game that share the same name.

Two Leifs (Fire Emblem & Animal Crossing)
Two Sakuras (Fire Emblem & Street Fighter)
Two Rikis (Xenoblade & River City Ransom)
Two Zeros (Mega Man & Metal Gear)
Two Hectors (Fire Emblem & Castlevania)

I wouldn't count on this meaning anything.

 

[Perkilator]

Alright let’s do a game I guess.

give me your fighter pass 2, only rule is you can’t use any company that had a character from pass 1 (so no Sega, Square-Enix, Microsoft, SNK, or Nintendo characters)

Here’s my realistic wishlist:

 

[perfectchaos83]

Just so you know, there are many other Spirits in the game that share the same name.

Two Leifs (Fire Emblem & Animal Crossing)
Two Sakuras (Fire Emblem & Street Fighter)
Two Rikis (Xenoblade & River City Ransom)
Two Zeros (Mega Man & Metal Gear)
Two Hectors (Fire Emblem & Castlevania)

I wouldn't count on this meaning anything.

The argument is that Spirits already in the game can have their name changed.

 

[Cosmic77]

Just so you know, there are many other Spirits in the game that share the same name.

Two Leifs (Fire Emblem & Animal Crossing)
Two Sakuras (Fire Emblem & Street Fighter)
Two Rikis (Xenoblade & River City Ransom)
Two Zeros (Mega Man & Metal Gear)
Two Hectors (Fire Emblem & Castlevania)

I wouldn't count on this meaning anything.

That's not what they were getting at.

They updated the name of a Spirit. At the very least, this confirms they could update the name of an old Spirit if it became a fighter.

 

[Kokiden]

Byleth needs to be nerfed in the next update.

It's only been one day.

 

[Rangez]

That's not what they were getting at.

They updated the name of a Spirit. At the very least, this confirms they could update the name of an old Spirit if it became a fighter.

The argument is that Spirits already in the game can have their name changed.

I mean, how can we be sure something like this will happen again?

 

[Ivander]

You're kidding, right? There's a From Software character that would be absolutely perfect that you didn't mention.

Spoiler

I am, of course, referring to President Michael Wilson, from Metal Wolf Chaos.

"I'm going to be in Smash. Why? Because I'm the President of the Great United States of America!"

So battle with Abe Lincoln from Codename STEAM when?

Alright let’s do a game I guess.

give me your fighter pass 2, only rule is you can’t use any company that had a character from pass 1 (so no Sega, Square-Enix, Microsoft, SNK, or Nintendo characters)

Tecmo Koei - Ryu Hayabusa
Type Moon - Saber
Capcom - Monster Hunter
Ubisoft - Ezio Auditore da Firenze
Level-5 - Professor Layton
Namco Bandai - Chosen Undead

 

[perfectchaos83]

I mean, how can we be sure something like this will happen again?

It only needs to happen once to set a precedent. Like I said, I don't think it makes Spirit promotions likely (I'm positive an AT will be promoted before a Spirit exclusive will anyway). It just shoots down a ****ty argument.

 

[Faso115]

Hey so

Elma/Fiora/Black Shadow/Octoling intensifies

You fool, you started a spirit discussion topic!

 

[StarBot]

I'm positive an AT will be promoted

>Ashley icon

Hmmmm, I wonder why you believe that

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

Here’s a fun game. Make a predictions list of characters you DON’T want or would be disappointed by. (Serious inquires only please. i.e. they have to have somewhat of a chance.)

The vast majority of my most wanted newcomers have either already been added to the roster, are currently assists and therefore extremely unlikely to make the roster this time around, or are simply so obscure that I never expected them to make the roster in the first place.
So I don't really feel entitled to be disappointed, per se, by any new inclusions. But there are a few popular and frequently discussed characters whose announcement would only cause me to shrug and think, well, that must be exciting for fans of that character, so that's good for them, but I'll probably never buy this challenger pack for myself. Granted, I might be convinced to buy them later on, as I did Joker, despite having never played Persona to this day and not being a fan. RelaxAlax sold me on the character and if the game is ever released on Switch, I may give it a try.
Keep in mind I don't bear any ill will toward fans of any of these characters, I just personally don't really like or care about them.
I'm ranking them in order from most to least... unappealing.

1. Sora
I'm not a fan of most JRPGs, but I'm especially disinterested in anything with a convoluted or nonsensical story. I also generally dislike certain anime aesthetic cliches like clothing with pointless zippers, buckles, chains, and belts. So despite being initially curious about Kingdom Hearts thanks to my childhood nostalgia for Disney, I've always been put off by the gameplay, story, and the aesthetic. I especially dislike Sora's character design. Everything from his voice and personality, to his silly costumes. He looks like a teenager's OC on Deviant Art circa 2002, who was then awkwardly shoehorned into a poorly written crossover fanfic after being redrawn with poofy red pants and giant yellow clown shoes in an attempt to make him look more Disney-ish.
On top of all that, taking into consideration that if Sora is added to the roster, then either he'll bring with him at least some not-original-to-gaming licensed characters and content (which I just really don't want in Smash), or half of what makes Kingdom Hearts what it is will be awkwardly ignored. My preference would be for the latter, and I'll go so far as to predict that if Sora were added, he'd receive a Smash-original revamped design, complete with a Smash logo keychain dangling from the keyblade in place of the Mickey emblem. Kingdom Hearts just seems like it would be even more difficult to license than FINAL FANTASY, and given how barebones and lackluster the FFVII content in Smash is compared the the fan service that most other guest fighters have received, Sora feels like a waste of a challenger pack.

2. Travis Touchdown
I have never played No More Heroes, and am not interested in doing so. Travis gives me an anime Deadpool kind of vibe, and I don't find him appealing or even interesting enough to say more than that.

3. Reimu
I only know this character exists thanks to her relentlessly vocal fans within the Smash speculation community. I just find the immortal and ancient(?) magical anime Lolita character archetype off putting, and I've never read or heard anything about her to convince me otherwise.

4. Dante from the Devil May Cry series
DMC is one of those series that I've watched trailers and reviews of, and never felt compelled to play it. I'm more open to Dante's inclusion now that the DMC games are finally being released on Nintendo hardware, and he is at least a fairly unique and compelling character aesthetically speaking. As long as he isn't as broken as Bayonetta was, I wouldn't really be upset about his inclusion, just kind of indifferent.

5. Ryu Hayabusa
Speaking of indifferent, I don't have any strong feelings toward Generic Ninja. Unlike every other series I've listed up to this point, I've actually played and finished Ninja Gaiden for NES. My impression was that it was basically Castlevania if it were less interesting in every way and too frustrating and cheap to be fun to play. That said, Hayabusa is a true gaming icon of the NES era and beyond, so I don't consider Koei Tecmo undeserving of the honor by any means. I'm sure Sakurai would make Ryu fun to play as, but he seems a bit bland at a glance.

6. Heihachi / other Tekken characters
I've played Tekken briefly, and it really only served to remind me why Super Smash Bros. is the only fighting games series I enjoy playing. Games like Tekken, Soul Calibur, King of Fighters, and Street Fighter just aren't very accessible to a novice such as myself, so I don't have any attachment to characters from those games. That being said, I enjoy playing as Ryu and Terry from time to time, and I understand why Sakurai likes to pay tribute to these classic fighting games. Plus, I know for a fact that despite having no idea who Heihachi is, my brother would really get a kick out of playing as a buff old man in Smash. I would probably buy Heihachi for that reason alone.

So there's my list. Honorable mentions go to pretty much any mobile game character, because I hate mobile games, but I don't have a specific character in mind.

Edit: Haha, I just noticed that it's been so long since I've posted here that I still have my old newcomer support buttons from the Smash 4 era.
Edit 2: Left out a word.

 

[perfectchaos83]

>Ashley icon

Hmmmm, I wonder why you believe that

It's not a belief based on Ashley. The ATs in the game have bigger star power than the characters that are Spirit exclusive with the only real exceptions being Dixie and Bandanna Dee (For some).

 

[StarBot]

Hey so

Elma/Fiora/Black Shadow/Octoling intensifies

>tfw your a Geno and Waluigi supporter that absolutely hate FE, but FE potentially broke the barrier of the one argument of them not getting in, so now your conflicted

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Here’s my realistic wishlist:
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While that’s a neat pass, but for the sake of the game I had the rule for no company repeats.

Euden, Ring Fit and Surfetch’d are all from Nintendo and Arle is from Sega.