Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[GoodGrief741]

Same here. I know the previous 3 have been heavily requested for ages. I literally only started seeing high Crash demand after the reveal of Banjo.

I think he has become a bandwagon pick, and I think a lot of people are vastly overestimating his chances of making it into Smash.

Now there’s this whole “triangle of rivalry” that people have concocted trying to give credence to Crash’s alleged guarantee or deserved spot in Smash, and I just can not for the life of me wrap my brain around it.

Lastly, I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. I don’t ever remember Crash being on the same level as Mario and Sonic in terms of rivalry or what have you. I was a child of the 90’s. I played Mario, Sonic, and Crash Bandicoot games. They were all fun, but I also remember only ever hearing about Mario and Sonic.

I don’t think we will be seeing Crash Bandicoot in Smash Ultimate. Rumors be dashed upon the rocks. Somebody gets something right by way of an educated guess and all of a sudden their a prophet.

I don't think Crash is a slam dunk either, but the rivalry isn't something people nowadays made up, it's real.

 

[Louie G.]

I don't think Crash is particularly a bandwagon, just a character who people didn't see as feasible during Smash 4 speculation.

To preface, a few months ago I really didn't like Crash, I thought he was sort of boring and didn't bring much new to the table. I agreed that his importance is overblown, and to an extent I still agree, but I'll just address now that obviously doesn't matter very much given his competition / the current DLC. I think Crash is important enough. He once at one point a big name and has recently seen a successful resurgence.

And as people addressed, yeah I think Crash is hot in people's minds right now because of N-Sane Trilogy, which is why I was very confident that he wouldn't be in the first pass. This time around though, I'd be surprised if he wasn't at least considered. I'm sure the fan demand was noticeable, he's an iconic character and well loved in both the west and in Japan. Nintendo and Activision have collaborated before and both Crash games are on Switch. And although I don't buy that Crash was ever quite at the level of Mario and Sonic like people claim he was, having someone who is effectively seen as a Sony mascot in Smash Bros would be treated as a pretty big deal and definitely cause some buzz. So I think his chances are, at the very least, pretty respectable.

In summary I wouldn't compare Crash to the likes of the longstanding fan favorite picks like K. Rool, Ridley and Banjo. New characters have taken center stage the moment Joker dropped and flipped everything on its head, and have built up some respectable followings that won't be going away anytime soon. Crash is one of those characters and I don't think it's a bandwagon at all, it was happening way before the guy on Twitter said anything about him.

 

[Mamboo07]

Same here. I know the previous 3 have been heavily requested for ages. I literally only started seeing high Crash demand after the reveal of Banjo.

I think he has become a bandwagon pick, and I think a lot of people are vastly overestimating his chances of making it into Smash.

Now there’s this whole “triangle of rivalry” that people have concocted trying to give credence to Crash’s alleged guarantee or deserved spot in Smash, and I just can not for the life of me wrap my brain around it.

Lastly, I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. I don’t ever remember Crash being on the same level as Mario and Sonic in terms of rivalry or what have you. I was a child of the 90’s. I played Mario, Sonic, and Crash Bandicoot games. They were all fun, but I also remember only ever hearing about Mario and Sonic.

I don’t think we will be seeing Crash Bandicoot in Smash Ultimate. Rumors be dashed upon the rocks. Somebody gets something right by way of an educated guess and all of a sudden their a prophet.

What's the triangle of rivalry?

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I don't think Crash is a slam dunk either, but the rivalry isn't something people nowadays made up, it's real.

I honestly can’t recall it ever being that way, but people all perceive things differently I suppose. What I was saying is, there may have been rivalry between them all, but the main two were always Mario and Sonic. The rivalry triangle with Crash argument doesn’t give credence to potential inclusion. Same goes for “insert game genre here” representation. Sometimes there just isn’t a need for it.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I think he has become a bandwagon pick, and I think a lot of people are vastly overestimating his chances of making it into Smash.

I've been feeling like this about a lot of characters lately. I don't want to diss any characters people want but. Characters like Crash, Dante, and Steve only gained traction during the first fighter pass. It doesn't mean they won't get in. But I feel people might be overestimating how big of a chance they actually have

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

What's the triangle of rivalry?

Back in the 90’s, there was a lot of competition within the video game industry. People say that there was a rivalry between some of the bigger gaming mascots at the time. Namely Mario, Sonic, and Crash Bandicoot. All highly successful platformers of their time.

However, what I was saying is, I never recall it being that way. I can only ever remember the significance of Mario and Sonic. Crash was popular, but not in the same light as Mario or Sonic. At least from what I can remember.

 

[RoboFist]

Back in the 90’s, there was a lot of competition within the video game industry. People say that there was a rivalry between some of the bigger gaming mascots at the time. Namely Mario, Sonic, and Crash Bandicoot. All highly successful platformers of their time.

However, what I was saying is, I never recall it being that way. I can only ever remember the significance of Mario and Sonic. Crash was popular, but not in the same light as Mario or Sonic. At least from what I can remember.

I was also a kid in the 90s and it's bizarre because I definitely remember a rivalry. Especially in the later-90s when the PS1 really came into its own with FF7, Tomb Raider, and especially Spyro and Crash. From what I can remember, Mario vs Sonic was more of a SNES vs Genesis thing. It was explosive for that generation of consoles, but I didn't know a soul who had a Saturn and only a small handful who had a Dreamcast. Sega wasn't really the talk of the schoolyard after 97/98. It was "Did your parents get you an N64 or a PlayStation? Mario Kart or Crash Team Racing? GoldenEye or Resident Evil? Ocarina of Time or Symphony of the Night?"

It wasn't so much a rivalry exclusively between Mario and Crash, especially not to the degree that Mario and Sonic's was. Crash was famously the instigator thanks to those commercials, so I think a lot of kids just associated him with the "Nintendo vs Sony" debate easier than they did with Cloud or Lara, you know?

Either way, I don't think "Hey, which character did Sony use to publicly humiliate us the most?" is the question Nintendo is asking themselves when choosing a DLC fighter haha. Crash has a big enough fanbase to deliver another Banjo-level reveal in the eyes of a lot of Westerners, and that may be enough for Nintendo.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I was also a kid in the 90s and it's bizarre because I definitely remember a rivalry. Especially in the later-90s when the PS1 really came into its own with FF7, Tomb Raider, and especially Spyro and Crash. From what I can remember, Mario vs Sonic was more of a SNES vs Genesis thing. It was explosive for that generation of consoles, but I didn't know a soul who had a Saturn and only a small handful who had a Dreamcast. Sega wasn't really the talk of the schoolyard after 97/98. It was "Did your parents get you an N64 or a PlayStation? Mario Kart or Crash Team Racing? GoldenEye or Resident Evil? Ocarina of Time or Symphony of the Night?"

It wasn't so much a rivalry exclusively between Mario and Crash, especially not to the degree that Mario and Sonic's was. Crash was famously the instigator thanks to those commercials, so I think a lot of kids just associated him with the "Nintendo vs Sony" debate easier than they did with Cloud or Lara, you know?

Either way, I don't think "Hey, which character did Sony use to publicly humiliate us the most?" is the question Nintendo is asking themselves when choosing a DLC fighter haha. Crash has a big enough fanbase to deliver another Banjo-level reveal in the eyes of a lot of Westerners, and that may be enough for Nintendo.

I’m sorry. I just don’t see it. I understood Banjo. Crash I just can not get behind. It’s nothing against the character or than I just don’t see the big deal.
I heard more about Final Fantasy when I was younger. Never heard Mario Kart vs. Crash Team Racing. We all had different upbringings though. I just know I can’t be the only person who feels this way. I feel like we got Banjo and everyone was like “Who’s next?!” I never, ever saw Crash demand until after his reveal. At least not as vocal. Then there’s the whole resurgence argument because the N. Sane Trilogy.

In my eyes, I don’t see the need for Crash Bandicoot in Smash. I feel there are many other, much better, more fun, unique options of characters to choose from. If he gets in, that’s fine and dandy. I won’t be upset about it. At the end of the day, it’s just a video game.

 

[Ben Holt]

I don't think Crash is particularly a bandwagon, just a character who people didn't see as feasible during Smash 4 speculation.

To preface, a few months ago I really didn't like Crash, I thought he was sort of boring and didn't bring much new to the table. I agreed that his importance is overblown, and to an extent I still agree, but I'll just address now that obviously doesn't matter very much given his competition / the current DLC. I think Crash is important enough. He once at one point a big name and has recently seen a successful resurgence.

And as people addressed, yeah I think Crash is hot in people's minds right now because of N-Sane Trilogy, which is why I was very confident that he wouldn't be in the first pass. This time around though, I'd be surprised if he wasn't at least considered. I'm sure the fan demand was noticeable, he's an iconic character and well loved in both the west and in Japan. Nintendo and Activision have collaborated before and both Crash games are on Switch. And although I don't buy that Crash was ever quite at the level of Mario and Sonic like people claim he was, having someone who is effectively seen as a Sony mascot in Smash Bros would be treated as a pretty big deal and definitely cause some buzz. So I think his chances are, at the very least, pretty respectable.

In summary I wouldn't compare Crash to the likes of the longstanding fan favorite picks like K. Rool, Ridley and Banjo. New characters have taken center stage the moment Joker dropped and flipped everything on its head, and have built up some respectable followings that won't be going away anytime soon. Crash is one of those characters and I don't think it's a bandwagon at all, it was happening way before the guy on Twitter said anything about him.

As a person around when Crash Bandicoot was most popular in the 90s, I can tell you that he wasn't as popular as Mario or Sonic, BUT he was probably the most important character to building the PlayStation brand.
Before Crash, all the major PlayStation games were marketed to adults, making the PlayStation a primarily adult console. Crash brought along the younger crowd that was more likely to like Mario or Sonic. And after the Crash Trilogy finished, Spyro took over where Crash left off.
So Crash, despite not being the best selling PlayStation game, solidified PlayStation as a console for all ages. He and Spyro are quite literally the only reasons I got a PSX as a kid, and funny enough, the drop in quality during the PS2 era made me retire from the PlayStation brand, and I haven't owned a non-Nintendo console since (unless PC counts).

 

[Deleted member]

If you were to ask me, I'm pretty much neutral regarding his chances. N. Sane Trilogy is a hot topic and the talk of town. Most of his games have been really, really associated with the PlayStation. With Ultimate becoming a gathering for major game mascots, I would say he is respectable. Sure people said that prior to NST he wasn't much of a talk of town type of thing, but hey, when has lack of games stopped BK?

In terms of this rivalry you speak of; yes. I kind of believe that this rivalry is a relevant matter of choice especially in the late 90s. You may say that people may only remember the rivalry between Mario and Sonic, but this was when Sonic was at the realest peak of his sensation. Crash simply stepped in while Sega was down for a while, and thus you had it. Hell, my parents were also in the moment at the time. We never bought a Dreamcast or Saturn, but we had a PS1 and an N64. In fact, when I browsed my parents' old collection of video games, most of them were either Mario or Crash, and this was the late 90s, so that says something.

To this day, my dad mostly mentions Crash when we're talking about cartoony non-Nintendo games, and he rarely brings up Sonic. Mom often questions me about his franchise about a couple times or two, and recently, my cousin (the same one that bought me Fire Emblem Three Houses for my birthday AND was the one whom I borrowed the Xenoblade 2 copy I played for a couple of months before returning it) bought Team Racing. Really says something if you asked me. Adding to this, me and my dad used to have Crash of the Titans and Mind Over Mutant on PSP, but mostly dad was the one playing while I was busy playing Tekken 5 DR or Tekken 6. Hell, me and my other cousin spent more time playing Mind Over Mutant when we weren't playing Tekken Tag 1 (largely because I just destroyed him with Double Ogres).

Point is, Crash is a character you really need to respect when it comes to console rivalries and Smash in general. It's something people who have been playing video games their entire life. Crash is very iconic, and even though I don't really support him these days, he's someone you need to respect when having him in Smash. Same with Sonic, Pac-Man, BK, name it. I'm not saying that he's this flawless figure that doesn't have any criticism in Smash, hell everyone was criticized at some point. But at the very least, it's something everyone should respect.

 

[Ben Holt]

If you were to ask me, I'm pretty much neutral regarding his chances. N. Sane Trilogy is a hot topic and the talk of town. Most of his games have been really, really associated with the PlayStation. With Ultimate becoming a gathering for major game mascots, I would say he is respectable. Sure people said that prior to NST he wasn't much of a talk of town type of thing, but hey, when has lack of games stopped BK?

In terms of this rivalry you speak of; yes. I kind of believe that this rivalry is a relevant matter of choice especially in the late 90s. You may say that people may only remember the rivalry between Mario and Sonic, but this was when Sonic was at the realest peak of his sensation. Crash simply stepped in while Sega was down for a while, and thus you had it. Hell, my parents were also in the moment at the time. We never bought a Dreamcast or Saturn, but we had a PS1 and an N64. In fact, when I browsed my parents' old collection of video games, most of them were either Mario or Crash, and this was the late 90s, so that says something.

To this day, my dad mostly mentions Crash when we're talking about cartoony non-Nintendo games, and he rarely brings up Sonic. Mom often questions me about his franchise about a couple times or two, and recently, my cousin (the same one that bought me Fire Emblem Three Houses for my birthday AND was the one whom I borrowed the Xenoblade 2 copy I played for a couple of months before returning it) bought Team Racing. Really says something if you asked me. Adding to this, me and my dad used to have Crash of the Titans and Mind Over Mutant on PSP, but mostly dad was the one playing while I was busy playing Tekken 5 DR or Tekken 6. Hell, me and my other cousin spent more time playing Mind Over Mutant when we weren't playing Tekken Tag 1 (largely because I just destroyed him with Double Ogres).

Point is, Crash is a character you really need to respect when it comes to console rivalries and Smash in general. It's something people who have been playing video games their entire life. Crash is very iconic, and even though I don't really support him these days, he's someone you need to respect when having him in Smash. Same with Sonic, Pac-Man, BK, name it. I'm not saying that he's this flawless figure that doesn't have any criticism in Smash, hell everyone was criticized at some point. But at the very least, it's something everyone should respect.

You're lucky your parents like video games. My father can recognize Mario, Donkey Kong, and Pac-Man, and my mother STILL refers to modern consoles as "Game Boys".

 

[Animegamingnerd]

You're lucky your parents like video games. My father can recognize Mario, Donkey Kong, and Pac-Man, and my mother STILL refers to modern consoles as "Game Boys".

My mom at least knows the different console names, though the only game she plays is Plants vs Zombies and Lego Star Wars. My Dad is just a casual gamer, he mostly plays Call of Duty. Though surprisingly he did somehow find the time to playthrough and beat both God of War 2018 and Red Dead Redemption 2.

 

[kirbstr]

If Crash gets in its because of popularity and fan request. He is probably the second most boring possibility for a fighter I have seen aside from Rayman.

Not dissing people who want him or anything, but his moveset potential is pretty basic and I feel like he would just be Banjo 2.0

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

If you were to ask me, I'm pretty much neutral regarding his chances. N. Sane Trilogy is a hot topic and the talk of town. Most of his games have been really, really associated with the PlayStation. With Ultimate becoming a gathering for major game mascots, I would say he is respectable. Sure people said that prior to NST he wasn't much of a talk of town type of thing, but hey, when has lack of games stopped BK?

In terms of this rivalry you speak of; yes. I kind of believe that this rivalry is a relevant matter of choice especially in the late 90s. You may say that people may only remember the rivalry between Mario and Sonic, but this was when Sonic was at the realest peak of his sensation. Crash simply stepped in while Sega was down for a while, and thus you had it. Hell, my parents were also in the moment at the time. We never bought a Dreamcast or Saturn, but we had a PS1 and an N64. In fact, when I browsed my parents' old collection of video games, most of them were either Mario or Crash, and this was the late 90s, so that says something.

To this day, my dad mostly mentions Crash when we're talking about cartoony non-Nintendo games, and he rarely brings up Sonic. Mom often questions me about his franchise about a couple times or two, and recently, my cousin (the same one that bought me Fire Emblem Three Houses for my birthday AND was the one whom I borrowed the Xenoblade 2 copy I played for a couple of months before returning it) bought Team Racing. Really says something if you asked me. Adding to this, me and my dad used to have Crash of the Titans and Mind Over Mutant on PSP, but mostly dad was the one playing while I was busy playing Tekken 5 DR or Tekken 6. Hell, me and my other cousin spent more time playing Mind Over Mutant when we weren't playing Tekken Tag 1 (largely because I just destroyed him with Double Ogres).

Point is, Crash is a character you really need to respect when it comes to console rivalries and Smash in general. It's something people who have been playing video games their entire life. Crash is very iconic, and even though I don't really support him these days, he's someone you need to respect when having him in Smash. Same with Sonic, Pac-Man, BK, name it. I'm not saying that he's this flawless figure that doesn't have any criticism in Smash, hell everyone was criticized at some point. But at the very least, it's something everyone should respect.

I’m very happy you had that experience with your father. I had the same experiences with my father with Mario and Pokémon. It’s a very cherished memory considering he is no longer with us. However, that’s what it is. A cherished memory. It’s not indicative of the video game industry or Smash in general. I can understand wanting a character because you enjoy their series. I can understand wanting a character due to lack of representation of a perceived eligible series. What I can’t understand is the insatiable bloodlust for just any character and then making allegations for said character that have no basis, fact, logic, or relevance in regards to why the character should be in Smash.

To me, Super Smash Bros is a legendary crossover gaming series. It has managed to bring together some video games biggest stars together. It’s truly incredible. The visionary mind if Masahiro Sakurai is otherworldly. I understand their is a level of fan service that goes into the game, but the characters that do get in make it in for a multitude of reasons. Not just for the sake of adding another character, and there comes a point when that’s just what it feels like with some character suggestions I see being made. With Crash, I feel like people got Banjo and immediately jumped onto the Crash Bandicoot train. That’s what I mean by bandwagon.

People got what they wanted and immediately tried to fill a void. I feel as if adding Crash Bandicoot would be moot. I just don’t see the argument for him because I don’t believe in the justifications that people make for his inclusion. It’s lovely that Crash Bandicoot means so much to a lot of people, but personal adoration isn’t the only factor in regards to inclusion. There’s so much more that needs to be taken into account. The Smash Community can be very vocal and speculation season can be very entertaining, but it can also be very disheartening and toxic. I’m not trying to come off hateful or rude. That’s never my intention. My intention is to try and understand why people want Crash Bandicoot in Smash, and with every reason I’ve been given it’s either based on personal bias of love for the character or on some nonsensical reason that seems to be very much grasping at straws.

All respect to Crash Bandicoot and his fans, but I just believe better choices could be made for character inclusion in Super Smash Bros.

 

[Ben Holt]

If Crash gets in its because of popularity and fan request. He is probably the second most boring possibility for a fighter I have seen aside from Rayman.

Not dissing people who want him or anything, but his moveset potential is pretty basic and I feel like he would just be Banjo 2.0

Boy, are you not gonna like my wishlist.

 

[Koopaul]

If Crash gets in its because of popularity and fan request. He is probably the second most boring possibility for a fighter I have seen aside from Rayman.

Not dissing people who want him or anything, but his moveset potential is pretty basic and I feel like he would just be Banjo 2.0

He'd be nothing like Banjo except in tone and aesthetics. Their goofy colorful cartoon animals. But that's where the similarities stop. I do somewhat agree Crash is very simple. Unlike Banjo and Kazooie who have a whole bunch of weird and wonderful abilities Crash's abilities are kind of normal. He's jump and spin guy. Sure he has some things like a fruit bazooka, a jetpack, maybe some animal he can ride. But, meh. That doesn't sound nearly as funny as slamming a bird on the ground.

 

[Deleted member]

If Crash gets in its because of popularity and fan request. He is probably the second most boring possibility for a fighter I have seen aside from Rayman.

Not dissing people who want him or anything, but his moveset potential is pretty basic and I feel like he would just be Banjo 2.0

A basic character with a basic moveset is pretty much a good change of pace considering we've got characters with passives too much.

 

[Idon]

He'd be nothing like Banjo except in tone and aesthetics. Their goofy colorful cartoon animals. But that's where the similarities stop. But I do somewhat agree Crash is very simple. Unlike Banjo and Kazooie who have a whole bunch of weird and wonderful abilities Crash's abilities are kind of normal. He's jump and spin guy. Sure he has some things like a fruit bazooka, a jetpack, maybe some animal he can ride. But, meh. That doesn't sound nearly as funny as slamming a bird on the ground.

Just have him pull out Neo Cortex and slam him into the dirt.

 

[Deleted member]

He'd be nothing like Banjo except in tone and aesthetics. Their goofy colorful cartoon animals. But that's where the similarities stop. I do somewhat agree Crash is very simple. Unlike Banjo and Kazooie who have a whole bunch of weird and wonderful abilities Crash's abilities are kind of normal. He's jump and spin guy. Sure he has some things like a fruit bazooka, a jetpack, maybe some animal he can ride. But, meh. That doesn't sound nearly as funny as slamming a bird on the ground.

Remember, Masahiro Sakurai is the same guy that could make a Piranha Plant work as an actual fighter. I doubt that Sakurai would not make him a bit interesting.

 

[Kokiden]

Can’t say I have any interest in Crash either, and also agree that he’d be pretty basic moveset wise.

I enjoyed his games but something about him just doesn’t appeal to me, especially when there are more interesting alternatives.

If he gets in, he’ll get in. Great for the people who want him, but I’d personally be disappointed if he did.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Can’t say I have any interest in Crash either, and also agree that he’d be pretty basic moveset wise.

I enjoyed his games but something about him just doesn’t appeal to me, especially when there are more interesting alternatives.

If he gets in, he’ll get in. Great for the people who want him, but I’d personally be disappointed if he did.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Deleted member]

Can’t say I have any interest in Crash either, and also agree that he’d be pretty basic moveset wise.

I enjoyed his games but something about him just doesn’t appeal to me, especially when there are more interesting alternatives.

If he gets in, he’ll get in. Great for the people who want him, but I’d personally be disappointed if he did.

Can't say you're wrong either.

 

[Akg0001]

Imagine thinking Crash would be boring lmao

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I kind of want Crash Bandicoot because I think he'd be a fun character to play as. He'd probably be a glass cannon fighter who'd mostly fights at close range considering my moveset for him. He can do a spin before he does a kick or punch with his neutral attacks.

Also it'd be really funny if when he dies in stamina mode, one of the Crash Bandicoot death animations play for him like when he dies to a fire attack, he turns into ashes or if he gets hit by a lightning attack, he gets shocked and every time he gets KO'd into the blast zone, his shoes are sent flying from the blast. That would be hilarious.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Crash's zany style also fits Smash perfectly. More the reason I think besides his iconness earns his spot in Smash.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

If Crash gets in its because of popularity and fan request. He is probably the second most boring possibility for a fighter I have seen aside from Rayman.

Not dissing people who want him or anything, but his moveset potential is pretty basic and I feel like he would just be Banjo 2.0

Ngl, you sound like the MVC guy who labeled all of the characters as “functions”.

Also, Crash being cartoony is where the similarities end. He would be incredibly different from Banjo. (Jetpack, Bazooka, riding animals, ect)

I’m very happy you had that experience with your father. I had the same experiences with my father with Mario and Pokémon. It’s a very cherished memory considering he is no longer with us. However, that’s what it is. A cherished memory. It’s not indicative of the video game industry or Smash in general. I can understand wanting a character because you enjoy their series. I can understand wanting a character due to lack of representation of a perceived eligible series. What I can’t understand is the insatiable bloodlust for just any character and then making allegations for said character that have no basis, fact, logic, or relevance in regards to why the character should be in Smash.

To me, Super Smash Bros is a legendary crossover gaming series. It has managed to bring together some video games biggest stars together. It’s truly incredible. The visionary mind if Masahiro Sakurai is otherworldly. I understand their is a level of fan service that goes into the game, but the characters that do get in make it in for a multitude of reasons. Not just for the sake of adding another character, and there comes a point when that’s just what it feels like with some character suggestions I see being made. With Crash, I feel like people got Banjo and immediately jumped onto the Crash Bandicoot train. That’s what I mean by bandwagon.

People got what they wanted and immediately tried to fill a void. I feel as if adding Crash Bandicoot would be moot. I just don’t see the argument for him because I don’t believe in the justifications that people make for his inclusion. It’s lovely that Crash Bandicoot means so much to a lot of people, but personal adoration isn’t the only factor in regards to inclusion. There’s so much more that needs to be taken into account. The Smash Community can be very vocal and speculation season can be very entertaining, but it can also be very disheartening and toxic. I’m not trying to come off hateful or rude. That’s never my intention. My intention is to try and understand why people want Crash Bandicoot in Smash, and with every reason I’ve been given it’s either based on personal bias of love for the character or on some nonsensical reason that seems to be very much grasping at straws.

All respect to Crash Bandicoot and his fans, but I just believe better choices could be made for character inclusion in Super Smash Bros.

Getting conflicting viewpoints from this post.

You call Smash Bros a “legendary crossover series” and you say how incredible it is that some of gamings biggest stars are in the game, but then you try and make an argument on why arguably the most recognizable character from the PS era shouldn’t be added?

I get that its your opinion, but these viewpoints contradict each other. If you wanted to see Ultimate add as many stars as possible, its a bit puzzling why you wouldn’t want to finally see Nintendo VS Sega VS Playstation happen. (I know he is owned by Activision now, but to finally recreate this rivalry would be massive)

And Crash’s popularity for Smash spiked after the Switch port announcement. It was when all of his fans came out of the woodwork and realized he finally had a shot.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I don't think Crash is a slam dunk either, but the rivalry isn't something people nowadays made up, it's real.

I don't know if it helps but I was born in the late 90's and I can vividly remember a small bit of my early childhood and that was in fact the rivalry between those three characters, its how I knew who they even were years before I actually got into their series lol

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I kind of want Crash Bandicoot because I think he'd be a fun character to play as. He'd probably be a glass cannon fighter who'd mostly fights at close range considering my moveset for him. He can do a spin before he does a kick or punch with his neutral attacks.

Also it'd be really funny if when he dies in stamina mode, one of the Crash Bandicoot death animations play for him like when he dies to a fire attack, he turns into ashes or if he gets hit by a lightning attack, he gets shocked and every time he gets KO'd into the blast zone, his shoes are sent flying from the blast. That would be hilarious.

Crash would definitely need unique death animations. I say whenever he hits the blast zone his shoes should go flying like how they do when he falls in a pit in his games. When he gets a star KO he should turn into an angel in the background,

 

[MagnesD3]

Crashes uniqueness would probably stick out mostly from a bunch of crate mechanics and how versatile and integral his spin special would be. There is definitely an interesting trapper/zoner N there.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I honestly couldn’t care less about how “generic” a moveset would be.

I simply don’t see characters as “functions” as a ton of people do. Even if Crash has the most boring moveset in the world, I would still root for his inclusion and play as him a ton. Simply because I just want to finally play as him in Smash, and I really want to see Mario VS Sonic VS Crash finally happen.

The characters themselves will always be main priority for me over movesets or “functions” so to speak. I still play Banjo a ton, despite his movest being panned by many as “generic” and “boring”.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Also Crash would spice up the DLC roster a bit from all of the realistic humanoid characters we'll probably be seeing in volume 2. Not saying any of them are bad but Banjo & Kazooie really do stand out from the rest of the Fighters Pass characters.

When he gets a star KO he should turn into an angel in the background,

I'd say the Angel Death should be saved for when he dies to attacks in general for Stamina mode. I don't really see the angel death working very well for his star KO since that plays out very quickly, I think him flying into the background like everyone else is funny enough.

 

[-crump-]

Hey all, I’ve been ignoring Smash speculation since the presentation, so I’m out of the loop in regards to Crash Bandicoot. Did something happen that’s made him seem more likely?

 

[Wunderwaft]

Hey all, I’ve been ignoring Smash speculation since the presentation, so I’m out of the loop in regards to Crash Bandicoot. Did something happen that’s made him seem more likely?

Not really, some random twitter user who made some predictions that came out true says Crash is next. It's probably fake. Regardless, Crash is a pretty likely choice whether the leak is true or fake. I think he would be really neat in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey all, I’ve been ignoring Smash speculation since the presentation, so I’m out of the loop in regards to Crash Bandicoot. Did something happen that’s made him seem more likely?

I was thinking the same thing as well XD.

I'm just chilling with the discussion for a while.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'd say the Angel Death should be saved for when he dies to attacks in general for Stamina mode. I don't really see the angel death working very well for his star KO since that plays out very quickly, I think him flying into the background like everyone else is funny enough.

Death by falling into the top blast zone should definitely cause his shoes to fly up though.

As far as the rivalry thing goes, it was probably more existent than Pokémon and Digimon's rivalry, since that was more of a curb stomping than a rivalry. Then again Crash only got three games before his series was dropped so...

 

[TheAJJohnson]

After gettingandfollowed byandI would say Crash is almost certainly guarantee. I'll be surprised if he doesn't.

I've never played a Crash game, I've never wanted to, and I think his design is kind of boring. However, I've sold into the idea that his inclusion in Smash would be the one of the most hypest things next to Banjo. After him, the only competitors would be Rayman, IMO. At that point (outside of Bomberman), I would say Smash has officially recruited all of the "cereal box" mascots and has become truly ultimate.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Imagine thinking Crash would be boring lmao

Yeah, how could anyone think that that character that only has one move in his home games might not be interesting to play!

 

[Flyboy]

Broke: wanting Crash because he's the face of a console along with Mario and Sonic.

Woke:

 

[Herocin]

Yeah, how could anyone think that that character that only has one move in his home games might not be interesting to play!

Tbh this is Sakurai we are talking about who made coherent unique and fitting movesets and playstyles out of a robot peripheral who usually only turns around to place blocks and disc things, a dog and duck who in there home series really only laugh and fly respectively and a plant who usually only sticks his head out of a pipe. Crash would definitely have more moveset potential than those guys had at first glance.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Boy, are you not gonna like my wishlist.

I kinda wanna know your wishlist now

Broke: wanting Crash because he's the face of a console along with Mario and Sonic.

Woke:
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Master Chief is not satisfied by this creature