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Evil Trapezium

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I have a question for Crash fans. The first pass have a big emphasis on characters gimmick and unique mechanics, even Sakurai acknowledge it. I'm guessing the second pass will also have lot of these, so what would Crash could bring new? By the way I'm not asking that because I think a character that have no gimmick have no chance, I'm just curious to read some idea because I really don't have any.
Crash's gimmick would be that all of his ground and aerial moves would involve the spin attack. His moves would be consistent and reliable much like in the Crash games since he mostly uses his Crash spin to attack.

For his specials, I made a specials moveset for what he could do.
Crash Bandicoot moveset.png
 

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I wonder how big the disappointment will be when the next DLC fighter is someone completely different than the chars that are thrown around currently.
Byleth is not even one week old and this thread is going bonkers already.
Watch its yet again another Fire Emblem character.
 

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I have a question for Crash fans. The first pass have a big emphasis on characters gimmick and unique mechanics, even Sakurai acknowledge it. I'm guessing the second pass will also have lot of these, so what would Crash could bring new? By the way I'm not asking that because I think a character that have no gimmick have no chance, I'm just curious to read some idea because I really don't have any.
You say this but we ended the first pass on a character with no gimmick at all despite the other 4 bringing in gimmicks. I agree that Crash would be rather uninteresting in terms of potential movesets though I'm a fan of his games
 

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I have a question for Crash fans. The first pass have a big emphasis on characters gimmick and unique mechanics, even Sakurai acknowledge it. I'm guessing the second pass will also have lot of these, so what would Crash could bring new? By the way I'm not asking that because I think a character that have no gimmick have no chance, I'm just curious to read some idea because I really don't have any.
It'd be awesome if his spin could nullify projectiles. Similar to Rosalina. Another idea would be to simply make his UP B the jetpack. Make it similar to ROB so that he has even more control over when he falls or whatever. He could have a Down B that spawns a random crate. TNT, Nitro, or normal. TNT explodes in 3 seconds. Nitro explodes instantly. TNT and the normal crate could be thrown by Crash or someone else. Just throwing stuff out there.
 

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Monster Hunter - I invested roughly 2,000 hours in Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate alone. I would definitely be excited, and even more so for a friend of mine who has been clamoring for this addition since Sm4sh DLC. Also, beautiful stage!
New Pokemon/Trainer - My hype level would depend on which one, but honestly, I'm always up for another Pokemon. The stage would probably distract me to some extent, 'cause I'd be looking at the various Pokemon showing up in the background. LOL Still a cool idea, though.
Rex & Pyra - As I said previously, nice! The stage pick would be a little eh for me (nature boy, here), but we don't have all that many industrial settings to choose from, I guess, so it'd definitely be a switch from the likes of Gaur Plain.
Sora - Cool, they did it. I'm not big on Kingdom Hearts, but I feel like this would be the biggest impact character they could add currently, and I'd be really happy for all the fans out there. Scala Ad Caelum looks pretty, so stage hype for sure!
Heihachi - Eh, he's cool, he's got personality, and Smash needed an old man at some point (besides Cranky's shadow). Mishima Dojo is... Cool, but kind of creepy. Probably the least hype out of this pass for me, but still not a disappointment in the least; generally happy about anyone getting in. LOL
Paper Mario - Actually in my top five most wanted; super hype! At the same time, I'd feel almost a little guilty since some may be very angry about this inclusion due to already having two versions of Mario... But, I'd get over it with time and enjoy the heck out of getting one of my top picks from one of my absolute favourite games. Battle Stage would be excellent, and most likely highly entertaining, especially during casual play.

Another strong pass lineup, in my opinion, but as I say, I'm generally pretty happy with stuff regardless of who all get in.
That’s impress! Quite the Monster Hunter fan. I can’t say much though. Pokémon and Animal Crossing take up a lot of my free time. When Isabelle got announced, I cried because she was my number 1 most wanted. Not even good with her. Hahaha.
 

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Here are my thoughts:
The first fighter announced will be a bit of a bombshell. I'll go ahead and say that it won't be Master Chief, Scorpion, or Doom's protagonist because while their legacy is massive, their appeal is regional; They'd be to Japan what Hero is to us (even then Doom isn't nearly as mainstream as Halo is). I feel like I can extend this to Lara Croft as well but there's no factual basis for it. Considering these factors, my guess is that Sora, 2B, Dante, Steve, and whomever else that are in similar positions to these characters while also not being on the forefront of my mind are going to be the front runners here.

The second, third, and perhaps fourth fighters announced will still be fairly big, but more specialized in terms of appeal. This is where picks like Master Chief, Don Chan, Geno, and Arle become more likely, and certain regions/fanbases will be pleased, while others, not so much. All of these picks will eventually become accepted among all Smash fans.

The last two revealed characters will be wildcards. They could be decently popular, incredibly controversial, or a collective "meh". Pretty much everyone is on the table here.

EDIT: I also feel that indie characters won't be getting full fighters, but Mii Fighter costumes instead.

I say this because this seems to be how the previous two DLC cycles went. Bombshell (:4mewtwo::ultjoker:) then fairly big (:4feroy::4lucas::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry:) then wildcards (:4corrin::4bayonetta:[Byleth]). Ryu doesn't fit this but it's not exactly a hard rule.

Ok but try THIS challenger’s pack on for size:

1. Crash Bandicoot
2. Neku Sakuraba
3. Octoling (cause they’d be FP8, get it?)
4. Elma (yes, Elma. I still believe Rex is as good as dead in the water and will have to wait for next game)
5. KOS-MOS
6. Ryu Hayabusa
  1. Cool.
  2. The World ends with You? This makes me happy and I don't know why.
  3. Wait Wat?
  4. Awesome!
  5. Huh...Was no expecting.
  6. Huh. Neat.
 
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Here are my thoughts:
The first fighter announced will be a bit of a bombshell. I'll go ahead and say that it won't be Master Chief, Scorpion, or Doom's protagonist because while their legacy is massive, their appeal is regional; They'd be to Japan what Hero is to us (even then Doom isn't nearly as mainstream as Halo is). I feel like I can extend this to Lara Croft as well but there's no factual basis for it. Considering these factors, my guess is that Sora, 2B, Dante, Steve, and whomever else that are in similar positions to these characters while also not being on the forefront of my mind are going to be the front runners here.

The second, third, and perhaps fourth fighters announced will still be fairly big, but more specialized in terms of appeal. This is where picks like Master Chief, Don Chan, Geno, and Arle become more likely, and certain regions/fanbases will be pleased, while others, not so much. All of these picks will eventually become accepted among all Smash fans.

The last two revealed characters will be wildcards. They could be decently popular, incredibly controversial, or a collective "meh". Pretty much everyone is on the table here.

I say this because this seems to be how the previous two DLC cycles went. Bombshell (:4mewtwo::ultjoker:) then fairly big (:4feroy::4lucas::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry:) then wildcards (:4corrin::4bayonetta:[Byleth]). Ryu doesn't fit this but it's not exactly a hard rule.


  1. Cool.
  2. The World ends with You? This makes me happy and I don't know why.
  3. Wait Wat?
  4. Awesome!
  5. Huh...Was no expecting.
  6. Huh. Neat.
Octo Expansion had this huuuuuuge 8 motif (re: Wait What for Octoling)
 

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I have a question for Crash fans. The first pass have a big emphasis on characters gimmick and unique mechanics, even Sakurai acknowledge it. I'm guessing the second pass will also have lot of these, so what would Crash could bring new? By the way I'm not asking that because I think a character that have no gimmick have no chance, I'm just curious to read some idea because I really don't have any.
Aku Aku, since he can't be Crash's FS anymore, is my choice for a gimmick. Crash starts with one Aku mask that causes him to take 0.9x damage and knockback from normal. If he gets a second, then it becomes 0.5x, then 0.9x. If he gets a third, then he becomes invincible for a short amount of time alongside more attribute boosts similar to the gold effect on Golden Plains. As soon as he gets hit, he loses it. But wait, how does he get that?

Let's say Crash's down special is placing a crate on the ground. Not the Smash style of crate, though: think what would happen if Hero's Command Selection had a one night stand with the Minecraft Blocks. Generated crates can fall on top of people to deal damage as a helpful edgeguarding tool, or simple to cause chaos.
  1. Basic Crates: The most common type, a simple normal crate with nothing inside. 10% falling damage with decent knockback.
  2. Iron Crates: Stronger, but also tougher to break so you can't get rid of it as easily.
  3. Question Crates: If items are on, then this relatively common crate contains a random item out of the available pool. If items are off, though, it's a reskin of the Basic Crate.
  4. Aku Aku Crates: If Crash, the summoning Crash that is, breaks this crate, he gets an Aku Aku mask added. Otherwise nothing happens.
  5. TNT Crates: Jump on it, and there's gonna be a countdown from 3. When the countdown ends, kaboom! Everybody is sent really far.
  6. Nitro Crates: An extremely powerful, humongous explosion that doesn't care about little things like whose attack it is. If you touch this crate at all, you'll be hit with something so powerful that by 30%, you're in kill percent.
  7. Crash Crates: The rarest of them all, with about a 1/600 chance you'll get one. Whoever breaks it gets a stock (a point in time matches).
So Crash is crazy and unpredictable in one of his moves.
 

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That’s impress! Quite the Monster Hunter fan. I can’t say much though. Pokémon and Animal Crossing take up a lot of my free time. When Isabelle got announced, I cried because she was my number 1 most wanted. Not even good with her. Hahaha.
Right there with you! This was my "realistic" top ten most wanted list before the first big Ultimate presentation:
Funny looking back at that now. Some placements have changed a little, and of course it doesn't even have Muddy Mole and Prince of Sable at the top since I felt they weren't actual possibilities.
 
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I wonder how big the disappointment will be when the next DLC fighter is someone completely different than the chars that are thrown around currently.
That's kinda what I like about this community

They are so headstrong about the same 5 characters, that once it's shown to be something else, it's actually a god-damn surprise for once

Remember in the first pass, before Joker
Everyone assumed that the pass was going to be just minior first parties, because of Nintendo picking the character

Then Joker happend and everyone went lose

(Unironically, making the first party people look like victims / the underdogs now)
 

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I wonder how big the disappointment will be when the next DLC fighter is someone completely different than the chars that are thrown around currently.
Byleth is not even one week old and this thread is going bonkers already.
That statement applies to 3/5 characters in the first pass. It would've been 4/5 if it weren't for Verge.
 

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Octo Expansion had this huuuuuuge 8 motif (re: Wait What for Octoling)
I figured that. My "wait wat" was a slightly negative expression of disbelief. You literally cannot get me to hate a Super Smash Bros. character, but I wouldn't really be enthused by this character as DLC, especially since I can't play Splatoon 2 due to not having access to Nintendo's online services.
 

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I figured that. My "wait wat" was a slightly negative expression of disbelief. You literally cannot get me to hate a Super Smash Bros. character, but I wouldn't really be enthused by this character as DLC, especially since I can't play Splatoon 2 due to not having access to Nintendo's online services.
Oof

maybe see if a friend is willing to add you to their family plan?
 

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I have a question for Crash fans. The first pass have a big emphasis on characters gimmick and unique mechanics, even Sakurai acknowledge it. I'm guessing the second pass will also have lot of these, so what would Crash could bring new? By the way I'm not asking that because I think a character that have no gimmick have no chance, I'm just curious to read some idea because I really don't have any.
I could see him incorporating some tech from his own game. For instance, if you do a slide attack, you could jump out of it to gain more height from your initial jump. I think something like that would be cool.

Crash's gimmick would be that all of his ground and aerial moves would involve the spin attack. His moves would be consistent and reliable much like in the Crash games since he mostly uses his Crash spin to attack.

For his specials, I made a specials moveset for what he could do.View attachment 259239
I kind of don't like the idea of Fruit Bazooka being his Neutral Special. I think the Spin Attack/Death Tornado Spin should be his Neutral Special, with his Side-Special being something else. My idea is that he'd pull out a hog and ride it around to deal damage, but as soon as you jump off of it, the hog just runs off, most likely off stage. You can't create another hog until the one currently on stage disappears, but if you press the Side-Special imput while Crash is near it, he can get back on. I also think that his Final Smash should be a cinematic Final Smash where he rides in on a stampede of hogs that runs over the opponent.
 

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Who is the one character everyone wants, but they know in their hearts of hearts it’ll never happen?

For me, it’s Cooking Mama.
 

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Aight dawgs I'm making me list

Fighter Pass 1: Rex & Olethro Ruins stage
Fighter Pass 2: Sora & Hollow Bastion stage
Fighter 3: Geno & Forest Maze stage
Fighter 4: Crash & Wumpa Islands stage
Fighter 5: Rayman & Band Land stage
Fighter 6: Shantae & Scuttle Town stage
Bonus Fighter: Waluigi


Of course I am 100% right as always and there's no way it's deviating from this at all, pack it up boys, that's your roster
Rex is boring
Sora is okay
Geno is good
Crash is good
Rayman is meh
Shantae is meh

I want reactions from you all if this was our Fighter’s Pass Vol. 2:

Challenger Pack 6:
Monster Hunter
Stage - Ancestral Steppe

Challenger Pack 7:
Pokémon from Sword & Shield (Rillaboom, Cinderace, Inteleon, Galarian Pokémon Trainer?)
Stage - Wild Area

Challenger Pack 8:
Rex & Pyra
Stage - Mor Ardain

Challenger Pack 9:
Sora
Stage - Scala Ad Caelum

Challenger Pack 10:
Heihachi Mishima
Stage - Mishima Dojo

Challenger Pack 11:
Paper Mario
Stage - Battle Stage (complete with audience.)

Packs not necessarily in the order I put them in.
I don't like Monster Hunter
Another Pokemon would be better than another Fire Emblem. I'd have to go with Rillaboom. he is the only Gen 8 starter that I respect.
Rex and Pyra is meh
Sora is okay
I'd prefer Jin Kazama over Heihachi
Paper Mario is okay
 

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Oh I'm not just talking about how popular 3H is and that it got a LOT of praise, but rather, if Byleth was hated as much as they seem to be, why are there more likes than dislikes on the trailer videos and not more in line with Federation Force's ratio
Consider the probability that many people simply closed the video after realizing it was another Fire Emblem character though, like I did.
Of course people who stuck to the very end liked the video.

Anyway sorry for bringing this back. I just knew I had missed something.


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On Crash.
I didn't play much, but I like him, wouldn't mind him being in Smash actually.
 
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Who is the one character everyone wants, but they know in their hearts of hearts it’ll never happen?

For me, it’s Cooking Mama.
I'll never say never, but Amaterasu is not going to be in a Super Smash Bros. game any time soon.

What are you talking about, Byleth gimmick is her weapons

It's literally in his portrait artwork
It's not some sort of centralizing mechanic though such as the Rebel Gague or Command Selection. EDIT: I'm sure that was what was meant by gimmick.
 
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Man, look at all these slapdash wishlists. Where's the photoshop?!

I want reactions from you all if this was our Fighter’s Pass Vol. 2:
I give it a 2/6.
Aight dawgs I'm making me list
2/6
Ok but try THIS challenger’s pack on for size:
1/6
Dream Pass:
0.5/6
Who is the one character everyone wants, but they know in their hearts of hearts it’ll never happen?
No such thing as a character everyone wants.
 
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Ingoreing that people told you to stop already, what characters would make a good pass for you then?

Because honestly it just seems that you aren't going to be satisfied no matter what
He actually has shown off his wishlist. It was full of characters that really only existed in the 80's/90's. Not a bash or anything that's just his taste.
 

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I kind of don't like the idea of Fruit Bazooka being his Neutral Special. I think the Spin Attack/Death Tornado Spin should be his Neutral Special, with his Side-Special being something else. My idea is that he'd pull out a hog and ride it around to deal damage, but as soon as you jump off of it, the hog just runs off, most likely off stage. You can't create another hog until the one currently on stage disappears, but if you press the Side-Special imput while Crash is near it, he can get back on. I also think that his Final Smash should be a cinematic Final Smash where he rides in on a stampede of hogs that runs over the opponent.
The hog just seems more appropriate as a stage hazard because it's not something Crash Bandicoot can use in his games for any situation. That's why the Fruit Bazooka works better.

People are still forgeting about Incineroar and Plant lol
Pokemon is the lesser of the two evils.
 

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Only reason I was asking is because apparently everyone else’s is “lazy” and receiving low scores.
I believe he scores them based on which characters you put. Put a character he thinks has a good chance +1. Character kind of cool, half a point for you. Character he doesn't think is worth the time, 0. That's why it's out of 6.
 
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Who is the one character everyone wants, but they know in their hearts of hearts it’ll never happen?

For me, it’s Cooking Mama.
Marina Liteyears from Mischief Makers and it's been that way since 1999. Somehow against all odds someone made a fan render and did a fun fake leak with it and that was really nice. Gave me a glimpse into a future that will never be.
 

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What are you talking about, Byleth gimmick is her weapons

It's literally in his portrait artwork
I'd agree if they had 4 movesets they could switch between but they're just attacks. No "When you fill the gauge", no limited resources, no command inputs, just... Other attacks. Would you call the Links gimmick characters? Or Samus for having multiple different projectiles? If you modded the game and replaced the other weapons' models with just the sword, the moveset wouldn't change because how you can still swing or stab with a sword
 

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I believe he scores them based on which characters you put. Put a character he thinks has a good chance +1. Character kind of cool, half a point for you. Character he doesn't think is worth the time, 0. That's why it's out of 6.
Okay. That puts thing into context a little.
 

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What would your list be then?
Hmm, I put a link to mine in that post, but it broke somehow.

Because honestly it just seems that you aren't going to be satisfied no matter what
Any 6 out of these 30 would earn a 6/6.

I believe he scores them based on which characters you put. Put a character he thinks has a good chance +1. Character kind of cool, half a point for you. Character he doesn't think is worth the time, 0. That's why it's out of 6.
Not based on their chances, just how much I want them. But yes, the lack of a photoshop doesn't effect the score. :p
 
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Only reason I was asking is because apparently everyone else’s is “lazy” and receiving low scores.
None of them are lazy anyway(the lazy bit may have been a friendly jab though). Basically, the rating system has no context and forces you to ask for more information or just ignore it. The lack of substance has many treating it as spam, so if you believe it's spam, just report it in general(instead of replying if you want).
 
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I'd agree if they had 4 movesets they could switch between but they're just attacks. No "When you fill the gauge", no limited resources, no command inputs, just... Other attacks. Would you call the Links gimmick characters? Or Samus for having multiple different projectiles? If you modded the game and replaced the other weapons' models with just the sword, the moveset wouldn't change because how you can still swing or stab with a sword
I mean, the "gimmick" is switching weapons in her moveset. It still brings a unique, new playstyle to Smash.
 
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