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I mean, the first third party character ever introduced to Smash was Snake, a famous franchise, sure, but not quite the most important non-Nintendo game character ever that could have been added. Hell, wasn't he added cause Sakurai was friends with Kojima and he requested his inclusion?
Yeah, though I just don't get why they're having cold feet over this, is all. The closest we got so far to fighting a Western third party is Shovel Knight as an AT. We're so close that we can almost taste it.
After all, Sakurai considered Heihachi before Pac-Man, and the reason why Heihachi isn't playable is solely failing to make him work. Not because Pac-Man is more iconic. Not because Heihachi is more associated with Playstation, and for that matter, is in Playstation All-Stars.
isnt that the only request someone ever actually gave sakurai so far
Arguably. Corrin was also picked by other members of the development team and Sakurai only accepted adding them later.
ok on second thought maybe no more favors
"How dare people use precedent from past games to make educated guesses!"
Pac-Man was chosen by Miyamoto for Brawl, if that counts. I know Pac-Man wasn’t in Brawl, but I would guess that the request still lingered.
To be fair, Metal Gear was probably the biggest at the time as it just came off it’s high period of the PS1 and PS2 era, where it was consistently creating classics. Other than Sonic and Pac-Man, the other legendary franchises were either dead, dwindling in popularity, or didn’t exist, so the choice made sense.
It’s also do to the constant rumor of a Microsoft rep joining, which would have to be Western. Steve is just the most likely as Minecraft has many fans at Nintendo and is popular in Japan.
fifa guy is obviously in smash
probably a mistake. i wouldn't put too much stock in it.
You know, maybe since they are adding Erdrick due to no Goku then they are adding Peeb from Mass Effect Andromeda due to no Shrek.
I mean Ryu already runs slower than Plant (Plant is 1.72, Ryu is 1.6). 10% slower than Ryu would be a run speed of around 1.4545 which is between Zelda and Isabelle in terms of run speed.
Is this the Unravel thing or something else, it's probably ads being screwy again
I've thought about that too, but I think that Unravel 2 switch ad was a placeholder advertisement video for smash ultimate DLC content.
But it's not unprecedented. Robin and Lucina were chosen over Chrom to represent Awakening. So no, it's not using precedent to make an educated guess. It's making a fan rule that has literally never existed. Pikachu was the chosen character to represent Pokemon, and that was in the very first Smash game! Having to have the main character of a franchise as the first rep in Smash Bros was literally never unprecedented at any point in time. I hope this makes you understand what I'm trying to say a bit better.
reminder that it could've been leif instead of marth
the definition of "iconic" seems super subjective too because everyone has their own different opinion on whose iconic and who isnt
Can we all agree Mario is iconic?
once they choose what color they want his mustache to be
I feel like this is inevitably going to wrap around to Erdrick and his chances, and yes I do agree that iconicity (god I hope that's a real word) doesn't play as big of a factor as we think. We got Richter Belmont for crying out loud.
Quality mods will probably take a bit longer.
doesn't nintendo kill you and your online interactivity if you're caught with mods too?
wii homebrew didnt really have that much of a risk except those brawl days where maybe once a week you'd find that hacker who plays as wario man or giga bowser
Not to be that guy, but Richter was literally the main character of the biggest changing point in Castlevania’s history with Symphony of the Night being the transition to a Metroidvania. The idea that he was a nobody who isn’t iconic isn’t correct, it’s just that Nintendo fans are out of the loop on the PlayStation titles. Again, we label Castlevania under Metroidvania, a genre it co-founded, but it was Richter’s game that turned Castlevania into one.
I feel iconic falls into a three categories when it comes to Smash, the top two I look at the most to deem worthy of being a character if they are 3rd party.
Yeah, I've been reading a ton of reasons why I don't think Erdrick is in and they boil down to the possibility of Erdrick being leakbait (do you seriously think Square would let something leak half a year early? Not even Pokemon is that bad and they suck with leaks, much less Square Enix, who actively fights leaks) and how an Erdrick reveal at E3 would be stupid marketing since the Direct would be airing when the target audience for Erdrick (Japan) would be asleep while the E3 audience (which is pretty Western focused) would have a mixed reception to Erdrick (at best, they would be alright; at worst, they would accuse Nintendo of using Smash to advertise DQ in the West) compared to the extreme excitement of the Japanese audience. Then again, this stuff was mostly from me reading a different Newcomer thread and Nintendo is no stranger to making incredibly stupid Marketing and Business decisions (Ken and Incineroar being the last base roster reveals and SMM2 having no online co-op comes to mind for recent stuff)
But obscurity in the East is?
We truly do live in a society.Blufever leaks were a thing with FFXIV, and those were released last year and cover content up to the next expansion. While the leakers don't guarantee Erdrick, no company is immune to leaks and a bad one could've happened.
dude im pretty sure everyone gave 0 ****s when palutena was revealed at E3 2014 im sure they could handle erdrick 5 years later
something something poor sales means nobody knew what an earthbound was in 1999
Richter was in Rondo of Blood/Dracula X first. SotN was more so Alucard's game, but yeah, Richter was in it, and he was in the "What is a Man?" meme. I think CV2 was what started the Vania part in MetroidVania, but obviously SotN's the one to do it well.
I don't think I'm fear mongering, I'm just saying that it would make more sense to reveal a DQ rep in a later direct when the target audience is actually awake (someone compared it to if they revealed Ridley at TGS, it would be completely missing your target audience). Then again, the whole "Erdrick at E3 would be bad marketing" angle is shaky to begin with given Nintendo is no stranger to questionable marketing decisions (SMM2's co-op stuff being the latest one) and it's why I find the "Erdrick is leakbait" angle more believable even though it's a 50/50 chance.
Richter is pretty important to Castlevania lore-wise because he's basically known as "the one who ****ed up". Honestly I was surprised it wasn't Trevor who got the Echo slot because he's way more popular. Dude has his own damn Netflix series. Richter's also pretty popular though, but I think Americans know more Castlevania 3 than Symphony of the Night or the PSP remake.
Back at it again with lore influence. Funnily enough, it involves the newest Dragon Quest. It's getting a port on Switch, wondering if I should bother.
Yeah, I heard he was the one who ****ed up so that the Belmonts couldn't use the whip.
E3 2014 had Palutena and the Miis I think, so it's all possible if the first one was released like, the day of or something. And then the second one was just the teaser for the one after with some dubious hint or just a ****ing render.
I thought Pac-Man was around the same as Palutena? Or was that 3 characters at that E3 then?
I know PAC was at E3 but I remember someone saying he was shown off behind closed doors before the show.
