Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Nap_]

Well, another one down, so long without something tangible in speculation or new spirits. My condolences to the fans.
3 Houses stuff will happen for sure, fighter is possible but at least spirits, I can't see Ultimate closing without something related to Eldegard's crew.
Talking about event spirits... I know it's not the correct thread but... The Daemon ex Machina ones are still unavaliable for the ones we missed them?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So think we can kiss all 1st parties goodbye for DLC?

 

[Rangez]

• Pokémon Sword and and Pokémon Shield were critically panned.

....

Yeah sure, whatever you say. (BTW, the Metascore is still in the 80s to this day, while the User Score grew much more negative to a 4.5.)

 

[RileyXY1]

So think we can kiss all 1st parties goodbye for DLC?

No. Not really. It would be throwing money away.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait...Astral Chain deconfirmed? Ouch.

Wala na, finish na

 

[StarBot]

The Daemon ex Machina ones are still unavaliable for the ones we missed them?

Yep

 

[Deleted member]

So think we can kiss all 1st parties goodbye for DLC?

Why? Sakurai hasn't deconfirmed every new 1st party series yet.

 

[Schnee117]

It is interesting. One theory, Schnee117 , is that an Astral Chain character was on a list of potential characters, but didn't make the cut. So they just opted for Spirits. Of course that's nothing but guesswork.

Honestly I could buy that. Maybe the Legion stuff was a big hurdle they couldn't figure out for whatever reason.

 

[Lamperouge]

So think we can kiss all 1st parties goodbye for DLC?

The first pick for post-pass should be pretty telling of the direction for the next wave of characters.

 

[Deleted member]

On the plus side, M MooMew64 might be onto something with Gooigi after all.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah sure, whatever you say. (BTW, the Metascore is still in the 80s to this day, while the User Score grew much more negative to a 4.5.)

You know what I mean. A lot of people were pissed at the games.

Why? Sakurai hasn't deconfirmed every new 1st party series yet.

True but I no longer think there are any more realistic third party options.

 

[Souless_shadow]

Me, sitting in the corner holding all of my Ace Attorney and Three Houses babies protecting them from spirit board events

 

[Schnee117]

....

Yeah sure, whatever you say. (BTW, the Metascore is still in the 80s to this day, while the User Score grew much more negative to a 4.5.)

Also they're not gonna know how the critic reception is gonna be ahead of time.

 

[Deleted member]

True but I no longer think there are any more realistic third party options.

You wanna edit that post real quick?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

So when is Professor Layton getting a spirit event?

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Astral Chain may have a Spirit Event, but I'm gonna go against the expectation it sets and predict that Three Houses won't get a spirit event, instead getting post-pass DLC characters; I'm banking on all 3 of the main protags in a special FE-themed DLC pack.

That sounds horrible.

Either way, I feel bad for Astral Chain, but I'm honestly not surprised that this happened. And if anything it helps tell us a bit as to how future DLC characters are gonna shape up. We may get a Three Houses costume for post pass DLC if they decide to reuse the pass format, but I'm expecting a Three Houses spirit event soon enough. Likely candidates are falling left and right.

I also had another game idea.
Say Sakurai decides to add Geralt and states that 4th parties are now okay BUT said character has to have at least one of their games on a Nintendo system. Barring grey area characters like Geralt himself, Sora-related Disney characters, and stretch characters like Miku (they're already discussed a ton), who do you think would be likely choices?

One of mine has to be Charlie Brown/Snoopy. While they aren't known for games, they do have a couple of games on Nintendo systems. The two characters are iconic, had a 50-year comic run (and reruns of the comics and specials are still around to this day), and Peanuts is a western property that is extremely popular in Japan. If 4th parties were somehow on the table I could actually see it happening.

 

[RileyXY1]

You know what I mean.


True but I no longer think there are any more realistic third party options.

Yeah. If you take Vergeben's word, there are no realistic third party options left for FP5. It leaves just a bunch of obscure, unrealistic characters and any Spirit/AT promotions.

 

[Nemuresu]

You know, I've sticked to the idea that every single DLC character is gonna be third-party, and I still will. Everytime I give Nintendo and Sakurai a chance to break my expectations, they tell me to keep them as they are.

Remember when we all thought that Nintendo chosing the characters meant only ads for the new games? I do, and look at where we are now.

Remember when people thought Joker wasn't enough evidence to think that this line-up would be only third-parties? Now we're four out of five characters from the same pass and none of them belong to Nintendo.

Kept checking interviews and stuff that could show us speculators the kind of approach they're having with these new characters and they all point out to making that copyright notice at the bottom bigger and bigger.

Honestly, the only way to change such views on speculation is for Nintendo to actually show their own guys are fair game. And after so many times going through this, I really don't see it happening.

 

[Yacobo]

RIP to Astral Chain. Had some of the coolest moveset potential for a newcomer imo.

 

[RileyXY1]

You wanna edit that post real quick?

He's technically right if you believe Vergeben is right when it comes to his list of deconfirmed characters.

 

[3BitSaurus]

That sounds horrible.

Either way, I feel bad for Astral Chain, but I'm honestly not surprised that this happened. And if anything it helps tell us a bit as to how future DLC characters are gonna shape up. We may get a Three Houses costume for post pass DLC if they decide to reuse the pass format, but I'm expecting a Three Houses spirit event soon enough. Likely candidates are falling left and right.

I also had another game idea.
Say Sakurai decides to add Geralt and states that 4th parties are now okay BUT said character has to have at least one of their games on a Nintendo system. Barring grey area characters like Geralt himself, Sora-related Disney characters, and stretch characters like Miku (they're already discussed a ton), who do you think would be likely choices?

One of mine has to be Charlie Brown/Snoopy. While they aren't known for games, they do have a couple of games on Nintendo systems. The two characters are iconic, had a 50-year comic run (and reruns of the comics and specials are still around to this day), and Peanuts is a western property that is extremely popular in Japan. If 4th parties were somehow on the table I could actually see it happening.

You said no Disney characters, but... my choice would honestly be Mickey or Scrooge, with their movesets based on Magical Quest and Ducktales, respectively.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

So when is Professor Layton getting a spirit event?

I'd be happy Layton finally made it into Smash in some form, but dang that would disappoint me after all this time.

 

[Neverx]

I really hope this doesn't mean fighter pass 2 is gonna be all third parties again. Really want some new switch first party characters as well as some older nintendo characters that still need to be added.

 

[Lamperouge]

At least we still have Gooigi and Ring Fit Adventure Dude/Dudette for "new" first party reps if TH ends up getting the spirit treatment.

 

[RileyXY1]

I really hope this doesn't mean fighter pass 2 is gonna be all third parties again. Really want some new switch first party characters as well as some older nintendo characters that still need to be added.

I think that it would be a good financial decision to include some first party characters.

 

[Yacobo]

I would've thought people would want a 3H spirit event, considering how much people complained about FE's lack of character content? :thinkingemoji:

 

[Lamperouge]

I think that it would be a financial decision to include some first party characters.

Well, yeah...but it would be a wise financial decision to continue expanding the crossover with third party characters.

 

[Deleted member]

He's technically right if you believe Vergeben is right when it comes to his list of deconfirmed characters.

World's bigger than me. I can totally believe FP 5 is some third party I never considered or heard of...

Or Phoenix.

 

[Ridrool64]

I had a list of 10 characters I'd expect to see the most in the post-pass Season, ignoring anybody who is still alive for FP5. Akira just went off the list, and Bandana Dee gets to get back on there.

Shame too, the kid looked like they had potential. I guess Joker's gonna be the only Akira representation-- oh wait, he's Ren. Two Howards blew their big chance now.

In all seriousness, I expect all third party characters to be new to the series and first party characters to be promotions from base game. There were a few exceptions before, to the latter, but now that's what I think is gonna happen.

 

[RileyXY1]

Well, yeah...but it would be a wise financial decision to continue expanding the crossover with third party characters.

However, it would backfire on them if they ever decide to make an "Ultimate Deluxe Edition" or something like that.

 

[Idon]

AH ****. THAT'S ALL MY FIRST PARTY WANTS SPIRITED AWAY...

all except... HIM.

Dimitri Fire Emblem announced on 4/20, mark my words.

 

[N3ON]

So far, only two new companies were added: Microsoft and SNK. Sakurai might go the route of favoring companies who already have characters. The only way he can avoid this problem is to add some first party characters as DLC, which are easier to implement because he won't have to accept lengthy and costly licensing agreements.

Atlus co-owns Joker, Armor Project and Bird Studio co-own some part of Dragon Quest (even if they don't show up in the title credits), and other entities such as Yacht Club, Koei-Tecmo, WayForward, Marvelous, Toby Fox have joined since last time (afaik), and that's just off the top of my head.

A copyright is a copyright, and the implementation, whether character or not, legally, is secondary. All those companies are involved.

To that end, Platinum IP is already in the game. Much as they co-own Astral Chain with Nintendo, they also co-own the Wonderful 101 with Nintendo, and that already has content. They'd be new to the credits on the title screen, but not new to the actual game. They're already in the extended credits.

But even if it weren't, there's clearly no reluctance on Nintendo's end to include additional parties.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Sees Akira deconfirmed:

One of my most wanted is out.

Edit: Was trying to find the moment where Volgin says Damn and hits an oil can but this will do. I'm slightly annoyed but that's the way it is. Got people talking again which is good.

 

[StarBot]

You know, I've sticked to the idea that every single DLC character is gonna be third-party, and I still will. Everytime I give Nintendo and Sakurai a chance to break my expectations, they tell me to keep them as they are.

Remember when we all thought that Nintendo chosing the characters meant only ads for the new games? I do, and look at where we are now.

Remember when people thought Joker wasn't enough evidence to think that this line-up would be only third-parties? Now we're four out of five characters from the same pass and none of them belong to Nintendo.

Kept checking interviews and stuff that could show us speculators the kind of approach they're having with these new characters and they all point out to making that copyright notice at the bottom bigger and bigger.

Honestly, the only way to change such views on speculation is for Nintendo to actually show their own guys are fair game. And after so many times going through this, I really don't see it happening.

Exactly all of this, thank you

>Tfw y'all yelled at nessdeltarune00 and me for really doubting 1st party, despite the fact the Smash team keeps reaffirming our doubts

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You wanna edit that post real quick?

Actually yes, but not because of that statement. As far as I'm concerned Fire Emblem: Three Houses is the only Nintendo game they would be able to pull characters from (as characters like Bandanna Waddle Dee aren't exactly in the public eye at the moment). Considering how much the majority of Super Smash Bros. fans hate how many Fire Emblem characters there are I don't think Byleth or Edelgaurd would be a good DLC pick.

Though I would like to see Byleth and/or the three lords in a Smash game at some point.

 

[Krankees]

Wow, from Capcom to Platinum games.

 

[Lamperouge]

AH ****. THAT'S ALL MY FIRST PARTY WANTS SPIRITED AWAY...

all except... HIM.

I'm ready to 3-stock every last one of them.

 

[N3ON]

Honestly I could buy that. Maybe the Legion stuff was a big hurdle they couldn't figure out for whatever reason.

Even if that theory were true, there's no guarantee they'd have even made it to the stage where a moveset gets drafted. It could've just been a long list of possible candidates like the one Sakurai was seemingly presented by Nintendo, of which he culled together the five FP characters.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I'd be happy Layton finally made it into Smash in some form, but dang that would disappoint me after all this time.

I kinda expect it at this point pfff

 

[Idon]

Them failing to implement the legion sounds highly doubtful as Joker is essentially how I'd imagine the Legion would exactly function implemented into Smash. Either that or Rosalina and Luma style.