Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Rie Sonomura]

OOF. Astral Chain is dead

https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1216887991160827904

On the plus side... feel an announcement is all but imminent now

on the minus side... Three Houses Spirit event all but guaranteed now

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Oof, now I am worried 3H will get one.

 

[andree123]

OOF. Astral Chain is dead

https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1216887991160827904

I'm disappointed that we lost one,
Don't let FE three houses be the next one,
And Sakurai, you better include a playable Dragalia Lost rep which releases the the gates of a mobile rep.

 

[Droodle]

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Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

Didn't really think the twins were likely at all. So I'm not surprised by this at all. Hopefully this isn't hinting at a delayed direct.

Also this goes to show that Spirits from things like FE3H can still come out of nowhere, even if it doesn't make sense.

 

[Deleted member]

there goes astrial chain

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[zeldasmash]

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Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

OOF....ouch, that hurt. Akira was one of my front runners for post-pass. This one stings a little bit.

 

[Hinata]

IS THIS HOW RESIDENT EVIL STANS FELT?

I NEVER WANTED TO FEEL THIS PAIN

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Keep in mind there still won't be much to speculate about. We just won't have all of those disconfirmations.

That's true still though I just rather this cycle be over with and we get to the next one.

OOF. Astral Chain is dead

https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1216887991160827904

Aw man gotta admit the game sounds intrigued I plan to grab it at some point. I would had welcomed Akira into the game. There goes his/her chances...

 

[Icedragonadam]

Well this definitely confirmation for me that all DLC characters will be new 3rd party franchises.

The only pluasible 1st party character left is Fire Emblem 3H rep, but as we seen just right now a spirit event for it can come at any moment.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Perhaps Fire Emblem: Three Houses's spirit event is taking so long because it includes 29 of them...

 

[N3ON]

Getting an Astral Chain character was a long shot for this title; I'm just happy the game is being acknowledged in Ultimate.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

TH spirits are inevitable now, ain't they?

 

[Will]

Meanwhile they STILL haven't done anything for 3H despite winning more awards than Smash did
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Fire Emblem wins again bayBEEEEEE

 

[RouffWestie]

Astral Chain may have a Spirit Event, but I'm gonna go against the expectation it sets and predict that Three Houses won't get a spirit event, instead getting post-pass DLC characters; I'm banking on all 3 of the main protags in a special FE-themed DLC pack, but they might end up only choosing just the two or one most popular characters of the group.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

TH spirits are now inevitable, ain't they?

Yep, all those Byleth vs Edelgard debates will be for naught.

 

[RileyXY1]

Well this definitely confirmation for me that all DLC characters will be new 3rd party franchises.

The only pluasible 1st party character left is Fire Emblem 3H rep, but as we seen just right now a spirit event for it can come at any moment.

I highly doubt that because it would mean that it will become impossible to rerelease Ultimate on any future console.

 

[PSIGuy]

PLEASE let Three Houses be the next one.

Can we go one reveal cycle without Fire Emblem getting special treatment? ONE CYCLE?

 

[Will]

TH spirits are now inevitable, ain't they?

No, you're just pessimistic.

 

[Droodle]

Honestly speaking I think an FE3H event will be seen REALLY soon.

My prediction is that they'll likely do Fighter Pass 2, and add a bonus Byleth costume (kind of like Rex in FP 1). Byleth makes a ton of sense as a mii costume they'd use to add as an incentive, they can also throw in a couple bonus tracks with him too. Then they'll announce the FE3H event on the direct/stream.

Honestly think that is the most likely scenario for FE3H.

 

[Will]

The only pluasible 1st party character left is Fire Emblem 3H rep

I'll win the upset eventually.

 

[Nemuresu]

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Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

Huh, so recent game spirits can come late to the party. While TH is still in the air, it sometimes feels like Nintendo keeps telling me to expect nothing but third-parties with stuff like this.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I highly doubt that because it would mean that the next Smash game would have to cut the roster down.

With the amount characters already in the base game, it's going to happen regardless. It's pretty clear Sakurai is using the DLC period to make Smash Ultimate the ultimate crossover game period as he won't have a chance to do it next game.

 

[Flyboy]

OOOH THAT STINGS....Hopefully Astral Chain 2 sells well like the first one and they get in the next Smash, though who knows how long this DLC cycle will go.

PLEASE let Three Houses be the next one.

Can we go one reveal cycle without Fire Emblem getting special treatment? ONE CYCLE?

they're gonna add five fire emblem characters in one pass

 

[StarBot]

Bruh why take so long to do the Astral Chain spirits lmao

This probably hard to believe due how unimportancely and lowly Spirits are viewed around here

Buuuut, the Spirit team has to specifically get the rights of the characters

Then specifically has to get the okay form the dev, and see if there being represented properly

They have to program it

Then release it

 

[Lamperouge]

TH spirits are inevitable now, ain't they?

Yeah, because they're coming with Dimitri when he becomes playable.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Probably hind sight bias, but it does make sense.

• Pokémon Sword and and Pokémon Shield were critically panned.
• Astral Chain was new.
• Fire Emblem characters make Super Smash Bros. fans angry more than any other series.

I highly doubt that because it would mean that the next Smash game would have to cut the roster down.

They're already going to have to do that. The only uncertainty is the extent it will need to do so.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Huh. I always thought Astral Chain would be a great candidate for a Fighter, and now it’s out.

While one could argue that it’s good for Three Houses because it hasn’t had one yet, the fact of the matter is that this spirit event isn’t tied to a release of a game, coming several months afterward.

Obviously folks know how I feel about spirits, and that I don’t think upgrades are happening. Three Houses is essentially the last “new” title with a feasible chance of a playable character (as in, we’re not going to see Link’s Awakening Link either, and I find a small chance of an Animal Crossing pick). If we get a Three Houses Pack, things wouldn’t be looking all that great for “new” first parties.

If Spirits count in the all-valued gaming crossover tally, then it wouldn’t make sense to argue you’re expanding the crossover with upgrades. If most high-quality first party titles are spirited, that makes thing difficult for them, in my humble opinion.

I could be proven wrong, but I keep finding fewer reasons to believe I will be.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't think that they would want to be bogged down with too many licensing agreements, and this would cause them to favor characters from companies who already have characters in the game already. It would only be a problem if they decide to rerelease Ultimate on the next Nintendo console.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Bruh why take so long to do the Astral Chain spirits lmao

The Spirit's themselves might just be PNGs, but they have to make a corresponding Spirit battle to go with them which takes a little bit of work to actually develop. Spirit battles are probably on the backburner compared to DLC characters which is why it probably takes them awhile to get out.

 

[Schnee117]

This probably hard to believe due how unimportancely and lowly Spirits are viewed around here

Buuuut, the Spirit team has to specifically get the rights of the characters

Then specifically has to get the okay form the dev, and see if there being represented properly

They have to program it

Then release it

Okay but they could also have done that around when Astral Chain released too.

 

[BZL8]

Astral Chain is getting spirits because 2B is the Platinum representative, right? Right?

NGL I can really, really emphasize with Resident Evil fans who were snubbed by the spirits.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Honestly speaking I think an FE3H event will be seen REALLY soon.

My prediction is that they'll likely do Fighter Pass 2, and add a bonus Byleth costume (kind of like Rex in FP 1). Byleth makes a ton of sense as a mii costume they'd use to add as an incentive, they can also throw in a couple bonus tracks with him too. Then they'll announce the FE3H event on the direct/stream.

Honestly think that is the most likely scenario for FE3H.

I think AC, TH and the next Animal Crossing game might be our first party Nintendo events for this year, like we got Zelda, Toy-Con and Peachette Spirits this year.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Spoiler: Media

I'll win the upset eventually.

Three games down the line maybe.

 

[Megadoomer]

OOF. Astral Chain is dead

https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1216887991160827904

It's a shame, though at least it gives me some motivation to play Astral Chain. I got the game, and I've been meaning to play it, though I'm not sure how well the idea of a puppet fighter works in an action game. (I wasn't a fan of V's playstyle in DMC5 - it felt too "hands-off", for the lack of a better word)

I do wish that Nintendo would do more with the Platinum-developed franchises that they own, whether it's in Smash or otherwise. Between the Wonderful 101 and this, it seems like there's a lot of potential for an interesting Smash character that's being missed out on.

 

[RileyXY1]

I think that DLC Spirits are the only Spirits that actually deconfirm, especially if they are not tied to a release of a character from their game or franchise.

 

[BZL8]

Spirited Away must be Sakurai's favorite film.

 

[Deleted member]

Never expected Astral Chain, but I'm surprised it took this long to get spirits. I would have assumed we wouldn't get them period. Guess that means Three Houses spirits could come out any point then.

 

[N3ON]

I don't think that they would want to be bogged down with too many licensing agreements, and this would cause them to favor characters from companies who already have characters in the game already. It would only be a problem if they decide to rerelease Ultimate on the next Nintendo console.

That'd be a solid theory if not for the fact that the number of parties involved is expanding at an exponential rate. Even for Spirits.

This probably hard to believe due how unimportancely and lowly Spirits are viewed around here

Buuuut, the Spirit team has to specifically get the rights of the characters

Then specifically has to get the okay form the dev, and see if there being represented properly

They have to program it

Then release it

Yes but even with additional parties, they've been able to time the event around release before, so obviously they have foresight. And it's not like Platinum is a tough company to work with, especially when they've been able to time spirits from the likes of Square and TPC.

It is interesting. One theory, Schnee117 , is that an Astral Chain character was on a list of potential characters, but didn't make the cut. So they just opted for Spirits. Of course that's nothing but guesswork.

 

[Deleted member]

RIP the Astral Chain Gang. You will be missed.



I guess it's safe to assume a shadowdrop for FP5 won't be happening this week with this and the Amiibo lineup dropping in a few days. A reveal could still probably happen, but right now, the signs are pointing against a shadowdrop this week.

 

[RileyXY1]

That'd be a solid theory if not for the fact that the number of parties involved is expanding at an exponential rate. Even for Spirits.


Yes but even with additional parties, they've been able to time the event around release before, so obviously they have foresight. And it's not like Platinum is a tough company to work with, especially when they've been able to time spirits from the likes of Square and TPC.

It is interesting. One theory, Schnee117 , is that an Astral Chain character was on a list of potential characters, but didn't make the cut. So they just opted for Spirits. Of course that's nothing but guesswork.

So far, only two new companies were added: Microsoft and SNK. Sakurai might go the route of favoring companies who already have characters. The only way he can avoid this problem is to add some first party characters as DLC, which are easier to implement because he won't have to accept lengthy and costly licensing agreements.