Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Wunderwaft]

At least during pre-E3, you got the Hero talks and the BK VS Steve wars. At least there you had info to work with. But here, it's basically a dead zone.

At this point we'd sooner get a REALLy credible leak that would make Verge quake in fear.

If you were around during that period you wouldn't wish to relive it again.

 

[Cosmic77]

To be fair, Piranha Plant's a hell of a lot better of a choice than R.O.B. or Wii Fit Trainer.

They're all terrible.

I don't really have an issue with any of them.

ROB has some historical significance with Nintendo, so I don't think people should have an issue with him. Projectile-heavy characters are low in supply anyway.

WFT comes from a franchise that's largely responsible for the success of the Wii, as well as convincing a demographic that typically doesn't play video games to give them a try. You can't argue that she didn't bring anything to the table either because she brought an entirely new franchise with her, and that seems to a popular argument for characters these days.

I won't say much about PP because convincing people that it's a decent addition is a lost cause. I'll just add that it's unique, iconic, and doesn't deserve half the hate it gets simply because it's a mook.

 

[Deleted member]

If you were around during that period you wouldn't wish to relive it again.

But still it was worth it for all the info you had going on about. Yeah sure, it's toxic, but hey, I'm used to it by now.

Sigh...if nothing goddamn significant happens any way else, I gotta go. Better things to do.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I got something to talk about!

Vocaloid is doing a crossover with Pokemon. Well Alolan Vulpix in particular as part fo the Hokkido snow festival but it's something

I wonder if it means anything going forward or if it's just a one off.

 

[Koopaul]

Vocaloid? Daigasso Band Brothers P used Vocaloid. It all makes sense now! Barbara the bat is in!

 

[Deleted member]

I got something to talk about!

Vocaloid is doing a crossover with Pokemon. Well Alolan Vulpix in particular as part fo the Hokkido snow festival but it's something

I wonder if it means anything going forward or if it's just a one off.

Mostly a one-off, I assume.

 

[TheCJBrine]

But still it was worth it for all the info you had going on about. Yeah sure, it's toxic, but hey, I'm used to it by now.

Sigh...if nothing goddamn significant happens any way else, I gotta go. Better things to do.

Steve vs. Banjo gave us nothing worth the stupid, annoying toxicity; there was no info that came out of it. It had nothing to do with any Banjo leaks or whatever. The Brave codename was really the only concrete thing people had to talk about, with people arguing whether or not it was Dragon Quest.

 

[Deleted member]

Steve vs. Banjo gave us nothing worth the stupid, annoying toxicity; there was no info that came out of it. It had nothing to do with any Banjo leaks or whatever. The Brave codename was really the only concrete thing people had to talk about, with people arguing whether or not it was Dragon Quest.

And then it got worse with Google Theory.

 

[Flyboy]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside of the box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

 

[Deleted member]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside fo teh box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

I agree.

Say what you will about the current period.

But at least I don’t have half an entire Discord server, a part of the Banjo thread and people on Twitter wanting my head and the ones of every Dragon Quest fan who happens to play Smash just for wanting a rep from the series instead of worshipping a Dark Souls character who “will save Banjo and destroy the evil Erdrick”. Not to mention that it isn’t happening in between the worst period of my life when I got this close to ending it up due to how bad things were going.


Because yes, I’ll take some months without news and people just having fun imagining Fighter Pass 2 over those awful days anytime.

 

[Deleted member]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside of the box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

I'd say the same, though speculation was never my thing anyway; I'm only in it due to desperation. If I get what I want, I'll just stick around here.

Something a la Villager? Hmm...I was thinking about Idol Singer archetypes (idolm@ster, Hatsune Miku), since they'd be interesting. Hell, Idol Singer archetypes in fighting games is a thing (Lucky Chloe, Athena Asamiya)

 

[Ridrool64]

Technically, we'd known that Terry was coming since September.

We've currently gone 111 days without any new Fighter info. The wait between Joker and Hero/Banjo was 187 days, and we probably won't beat that unless January is dry, too, and the end of the pass is delayed to March.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

Does Arle count? She has fighting capabilities but usually doesn't put them to the test. Otherwise, I have nobody who isn't really a combatant in mind.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside of the box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

Most of my most wanted are character that are not known to fight in their original game, I always like this concept and characters like that are most of the time my favorite (like Villager, Wii fit trainer, Duck hunt). My most wanted is chorus kids (or anything else related to Rhythm heaven) and they don't fight at all. Porky is also actually not really a combatant, because out of his mech he actually do nothing, so if Sakurai would include him out of his mech that would be new to him.

Also I used to be a Dr. Kawashima supporter back in Smash 4, although now he is an assist trophy and Brain age is kind of dead I don't think he will happen at all but I still like the idea.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside of the box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

Although he certainly can do fighting if he summons weapons, Maxwell from Scribblenauts would be fun considering he can summon nearly everything. His game is more about finding novel ways to solve problems rather than fighting. The sky is the limit with his moveset potential, the hardest part would be trying to narrow down what to actually put in his moveset.

 

[Flik]

I never liked any non-fighter/action game character in Smash Bros, so one of these for FP5 would get a meh reaction from me...

 

[Wunderwaft]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside of the box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

How about Chell from Portal?
I want Freeman more but Chell is my second most wanted Valve rep. I think a moveset that involves the portal gun would be beyond fun and wacky.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

How about Chell from Portal?
I want Freeman more but Chell is my second most wanted Valve rep. I think a moveset that involves the portal gun would be beyond fun and wacky.

It's funny because Portal technically has more of a Nintendo presence than Half-Life because of the spinoff Bridge Constructor game that came out on Switch, as well as its appearance in Lego Dimensions which was on Wii U. It's pretty much on the same tier as Joker and Cloud at this point.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I never liked any non-fighter/action game character in Smash Bros, so one of these for FP5 would get a meh reaction from me...

What if I told you that Professor Layton is from an non-action game series, but is also a capable swordfighter?

How about Chell from Portal?
I want Freeman more but Chell is my second most wanted Valve rep. I think a moveset that involves the portal gun would be beyond fun and wacky.

If Sakurai can figure out a way to get the portal-on-surface mechanics working in a platform fighter, Chell would be absolutely insane to play as!

 

[Garteam]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside of the box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

Shiori Fujisaki time.

Gonna crosspost from my OP for her thread:

Shiori would undoubtedly have a unique playstyle. Being a mundane school girl amongst a cast of intergalactic bounty hunters, legendary warriors, and monsters that fit in your pocket will do that. Additionally, drawing from the mechanics of Tokimeki Memorial’s unique gameplay would distance Shiori from other characters on the roster. Off the top of my head, I picture her playing like a mix between Isabelle, Wii Fit Trainer, and Hero, with some of her own stuff mixed in. Her normals would mostly be similar to the Animal Crossing characters, using average, everyday objects as a reference to the various clubs and activities in Tokimemo, albeit with a more frantic and unpredictable edge to emphasis both that she’s not a fighter and the quirky atmosphere of her home game. For her specials, I could see two types of attacks coming into play. First, specials that raise her various stats could reflect the main challenge of Tokimeki Memorial, boosting your stats to meet the various girls’ expectations. Likewise, I could see her having specials that take advantage of a text box and a series of answers to perform an attack. Shiori’s moveset potential is just defined enough to have clear boundaries, but just loose enough to give her a lot she could do.

 

[Wunderwaft]

It's funny because Portal technically has more of a Nintendo presence than Half-Life because of the spinoff Bridge Constructor game that came out on Switch, as well as its appearance in Lego Dimensions which was on Wii U. It's pretty much on the same tier as Joker and Cloud at this point.

I don't think these spin-off games would affect Chell's chances that much. If Chell gets in it would be on the merit of the original Portal games. Likewise, even though Half-Life doesn't have an appearance on Nintendo consoles, it's not removed from Nintendo's field of view. Sure, a Nintendo appearance helps, but it's not exactly a requirement to be in Smash, Sakurai said so himself.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside of the box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

Professor Layton. I imagine he uses a sword fight weapon for some of his attacks, though it's more like sticks or candles since he never has a sword on hand.
The rest of his moves could be more based around his puzzle origins.

And he could have a gimmick where he collects hint coins to make some attacks stronger.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside of the box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

Ignoring the obvious picks like Wright or Layton, Excitebiker was one of those retro reps I would've been super down for during Ultimate's base game. I could see a moveset revolving around doing various motorcycle tricks and flips to try and rack up aerial combos. Basically, I just wanted the closest thing to Tony Hawk in Smash I could get. Honestly I'm just a sucker for unconventional characters in general so I'd be happy with just about any bizarre character. Stuff like Frogger, Style Savvy, Phoenix Wright, or Carmen Sandiego would be super fun to see in Smash and I really hope we get at least one unconventional fighter for DLC because I live for that kind of stuff.

 

[Inkling Man]

What if Excitebiker was DLC? He can be on his motorcycle at all times while fighting, some of his attacks can be doing tricks on the bike, some attacks can involve turbo charging into opponents and other attacks can be punching and headbutting opponents. His gimmick could be having his engine's temperature gauge. Doing attacks that involve turbo charging heats up the engine and if it gets too hot, Excitebiker will be stunned for a short time. You can cool the engine by pressing and holding B while shielding. It also automatically cools over time but it cools faster when you press and hold B while shielding and:

Neutral B: Speed Bumps. Excitebiker summons a speed bump and makes it appear on the ground in front of him. Opponents who run into it too quickly will trip.

Side B: Turbo Speed. Press and hold B while moving to make Excitebiker turbo charge, this makes him go faster and he damages any opponents he runs into. He can turn while turbo charging and let go of B to stop turbo charging.

Up B: Ramps. Excitebiker summons a ramp to appear in front of him and then he automatically turbo charges drives up the ramp, sending him diagonally upward. This move does not leave Excitebiker in a helpless state and this is move does damage to any opponents he turbo charges into.

Down B: Mud. Excitebiker summons a ball of mud, makes it appear in the air in front of him and then land on the ground. The mud can damage opponents while it's in the air and when it's on the ground it slows down opponents who walk on it.

Final Smash: Pack of Excitebikers. Excitebiker summons an 8-bit Excitebiker to appear in front of him and then charge forward. If the 8-bit Excitebiker runs into any opponents, a short cutscene will play showing all opponents he ran into being run over by a bunch of 8-bit Excitebikers. After the cutscene, all of the opponents who were run over by the 8-bit Excitebikers will be launched.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Imagine thinking a period where we actually get to have fun conversations, make jokes, ****post a silly Fighter Pass 2, and think outside of the box with potential reps is less preferable to the hell that was the Brave datamine and Banjo vs. Steve wars. No thank you. And this is coming from someone who was there for the Grinch Leak. In this case, I'll take this period of no news where people have calmed down and resigned themselves to actually having fun with speculation again and making up questions.

In fact, I'll throw a question at all of you. Let's say Fighter 5 is a character not known for their combat skills. Who would you pick and how do you envision them playing?

Lots of cool choices like Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton (sort of - he is an accomplished fencer), Style Savvy, Pete/Farmer, Cooking Mama, and more, but I'd love to hear some out-of-the-box ideas.

HM/SoS Farmer would be my first choice, but aside from that, How about a Zookeeper from Zoo Tycoon?

They'd quite literally sweep the battlefield and maybe even throw some animal feed that'd cause some stampedes

This one may be cheating because they do use tranquilizer guns when the animals escape the exhibits, but that'd probably be for like one or two moves

Watch everyone's shock and surprise when it's neither Steve or Master Chief that's our second Microsoft character but instead, a random Zookeeper

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So things aren't looking good for KOS-MOS now eh?

 

[Lamperouge]

Regardless of who ends up being fighter #5, I pray that we don't have to deal with too many idiots proclaiming that said character is a "waste of space" simply because it's someone they didn't want.

 

[Deleted member]

So things aren't looking good for KOS-MOS now eh?

It never looked good for her.

Regardless of who ends up being fighter #5, I pray that we don't have to deal with too many idiots proclaiming that said character is a "waste of space" simply because it's someone they didn't want.

I also wish they made a new Strider game but it’s not happening.

 

[Lamperouge]

So things aren't looking good for KOS-MOS now eh?

The tweet stated that things aren't looking good for Xenosaga being remastered. KOS-MOS' chances, however miniscule they may be at this point, haven't been killed just because the series isn't being ported any time soon.

 

[Deleted member]

Regardless of who ends up being fighter #5, I pray that we don't have to deal with too many idiots proclaiming that said character is a "waste of space" simply because it's someone they didn't want.

Unfortunately, that is the Smash community for ya.

 

[PSIGuy]

The nature of fighter packs having a stage, music, and spirits associated with a fighter does mean if that a series isn't considered viable for new games, it probably lacks interest in things like side characters and music. Yes, Kos-mos herself has popularity but we have proof that the stuff around her DOESN'T.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

The nature of fighter packs having a stage, music, and spirits associated with a fighter does mean if that a series isn't considered viable for new games, it probably lacks interest in things like side characters and music. Yes, Kos-mos herself has popularity but we have proof that the stuff around her DOESN'T.

I don’t think Banjo’s getting any new games?

 

[PSIGuy]

I don’t think Banjo’s getting any new games?

Even then, they came out with tons of merchandise to coincide with his addition because he has a large enough fanbase that it's viable to cater to to them. It's not a game but it's a damn lot for a 'dead franchise'. Xenosaga can't really say the same outside of Kosmos getting yet another figure.

 

[Cosmic77]

I'm not paying much attention to the KOS-MOS talk because Verge is largely responsible for it, and he just proved a few weeks ago after a huge list of deconfirmations that we need to take what he says with a grain of salt because, despite what base game speculation seemed to engrave in our heads, no, Verge is not all-knowing.

Another reason why I'm not quick to overestimate her chances is because lots of people assume a Namco character is likely because Sakurai would want to be fair. The last two characters were from entirely new companies, so I don't really believe that Namco or Capcom have a leg up on the competition.

 

[Wigglerman]

I always figured Excitebiker on his bike all the time would be incredibly difficult to make work. I figure the character might play normally but not unlike Wario could pull his bike out with a Forward Special which, while on it, could have access to differing moves (Even be able to jump while on it) and might be easier to handle than Wario's motorcycle. Since Excitebiker is capable of falling off in his game, it'd not be weird to have him on foot. It'd also just be clunky to be on the bike at all times.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Were less then a week from January. Hope for everyone's sake that we don't have to wait until February for FP5.

 

[Renmazuo]

The nature of fighter packs having a stage, music, and spirits associated with a fighter does mean if that a series isn't considered viable for new games, it probably lacks interest in things like side characters and music. Yes, Kos-mos herself has popularity but we have proof that the stuff around her DOESN'T.

Well Nintendo doesn't even consider Xenoblade X worth porting over Fire Emblem Idol Edition so I guess you can forget about Elma too.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Were less then a week from January. Hope for everyone's sake that we don't have to wait until February for FP5.

We'll wait until February... and then Fighter 5's reveal gets delayed until Spring 2020.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I don't think that the tweet means a lot for Kos-mos in Smash. It just says that right now, Namco don't think that there's a large audience for Xenosaga. That doesn't mean that Kos-mos is deconfirmed. I'm even going to play the devil advocate and say that maybe the would want to put her in Smash to have a bigger audience. The fact that Katsuhiro Harada even made a tweet about Xenosaga means that he haven't forgot about the franchise, so a revival in the future is not impossible.

 

[Deleted member]

Were less then a week from January. Hope for everyone's sake that we don't have to wait until February for FP5.

Thing is, I want FP5's reveal shown before my college semester starts. Really hope that the wait doesn't mess up my mindset for school.

 

[KatKit]

If you were around during that period you wouldn't wish to relive it again.

Back then, I mostly just frequented a bunch of support groups I liked, especially the Elma thread. Every one was noticeably active at the time... it was actually pretty cool.

Somewhere down the line, folks are going to look back at this period of time negatively like "Remember the Game Awards drought of 2019? You wouldn't wish you were around, kid" like a war veteran or something lol. It's not serious.

I kinda just beat to my own drum when it comes to this sort of thing. It's always been fun, or at least a good way to kill time and talk about videogames and share ideas and stuff; otherwise I wouldn't be here. I guess my point is that it was fun then and it is now.

I wish I could contribute more to the current convo, but I'm behind about 28-ish pages. I'm glad someone mentioned Carmen Sandiego and Style Savvy on this page though. Those two will never get old for me.

Speaking of Style Savvy... I posted these a couple of times now, but I haven't done it in here in a cool minute. These two songs for sure need to be in the game. Not everything sounds upbeat like Smash portrays it. This is legit battle music:

Anyways... I played some casual 8 player Smash with the fam yesterday (items on and everything). I needed that. Seriously, y'all. Play the game! I don't even care who fighter number is or how long the wait is. The game is so good as it is.