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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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3BitSaurus

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I had a strange thought this morning:

Smash, Tekken, and Soul Calibur all seem to have some overlap regarding which companies get guest characters as DLC. Not only did Square-Enix get a guest character in all three games (Hero in Smash, Noctis in Tekken, and 2B in Soul Calibur), but SNK also got the same treatment (Terry in Smash, Geese in Tekken, and Haohmaru in Soul Calibur).

Given that all three games are developed by Namco, so perhaps this isn't a coincidence? If Namco found negotiating with a company was easy for one game, maybe they're put on a sort of "short list" for future crossovers? In this case, are there any companies that have reps in Tekken or Soul Calibur that would be a good fit for Smash?
Hmm, neither have a company in common besides the two you listed. Tekken got Akuma, and I guess Smash got Ken, but there's no equivalent for SC.

As for the remaining guests... Tekken got Negan and SC got Geralt, neither of which... are... video game characters...

GOKU INCOMING, EVERYONE :ultpacman:
 

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they probably going to announce a new spirit board event later on.
Did they have a tourney yet? What’s the pattern in terms of spirit boards and or tournaments before a reveal?

Also it may be worth checking the copyright list on the new spirit board and/or FP5’s page just in case
 

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My dad is Sakurai and I can confirm that Nintendo himself held him at gun point until he finished Persona 5.
Fun fact: Joker's use of a gun is meant to represent this, not his ability to use one in Persona 5.
 

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I always took plant as Sakurai going "What if I made a common mario enemy a fighter...haha just kidding...unless?"Not really worth getting upset about their inclusion.
 
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Every Smash game so far as added both fan-favorites and non-fan-favourite, I don't see how Plant is much than G&W or Wii Fitt Trainer. You could argue that at least these two represent new franchise and all that, but I don't see how that matters when Geno or Bandana Dee would pretty be on the same level as PP in terms of expanding the world of Smash.
Honestly, I think the communities just needs to accept that not all the "fan-favorites" are on the same level of demand as K.Rool or Ridley and with limited "slots" they have to inevitably exclude some of them. And the notion that characters like Inkling,Terry and Joker as "random nobodies" just because the community didn't scream for their inclusion in the past 20 years is laughable.
It's fine to like not like every character added to Smash. I didn't know what to make of Plant's inclusion myself last year and maybe i only "forgave" Sakurai for this "crime against the fanbase" because the very first FP character reveal was one of my most wanted. But don't act like the developers never listen to fan requests.


That was the same guy on Gamefaqs that stated that Neptunia would be the second FP character, if i recall correctly. That was certainly an odd fellow but he steamed a good ham
Geno and Bandana Dee are characters that were actually important to the games that they hailed from rather than being a stage hazard among dozens of other generic mooks. They also have incredibly large fanbases in it of themselves, while Plant had none. I don't even have either of these two characters as my most wanted, but I can still acknowledge they have a lot more people asking for them than Plant had before.
 

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I always took plant as Sakurai going "What if I made a common mario enemy a character...haha just kidding...unless?"Not really worth getting upset about their inclusion.
The way I see it is Piranha Plant is that character that's in every fan-game that was only there because the creator had a moveset idea, damn the character's actual relevance in the fandom or the narrative. Like Vaporeon in Super Smash Land (the game that went on to become Rivals of Aether) or the one moveset for Pidgeotto that's stuck in my head (I don't even like that Pokemon but there it is.)
 
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Fun fact: Joker's use of a gun is meant to represent this, not his ability to use one in Persona 5.
Eiha specifically was chosen over all other spells to represent all the cursing Sakurai did under his breath as he was force to endure a 100 hour dating sim.
 

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Oh, yes, the character literally designed around a massively popular series to the point where it has 4 unique alts from different games, a Final Smash that includes the remaining protagonists, is one of the most popular game franchises of all time, and specifically a Japanese cultural touch stone that Sakurai and Japanese fans love... only got added to promote one re-release...

Wynn, how long are you going to just rage against Smash not going exactly your way? You've been doing this in the Geno thread for literal months. And it's the same exact complaint over and over again, and any time someone calls you out on it, you dig yourself deeper in the mud and double down. I get it, we all get it, you don't like Piranha Plant and feel that all the newcomers should only be from the ballot and that any other decision making deserves to be as a slight on Sakurai. You have made that abundantly clear time and time, and time, and time again.

But the thing is, there are other people besides yourself who do not share that opinion and are interested in other things beyond the ballot. The ballot is not, can not, and should not be the end all for Smash Bros. for a multitude of reasons that people, including myself, have been over with you consistently. I'm not getting back into it yet again, but the ballot will never cover everyone and there are other people's satisfaction, including Sakurai himself, to keep in mind beyond your own.

If you couldn't achieve any sort of support to your approach in the freaking Geno thread, what makes you think this specific repeat of old complaints and venting is going to play out here in the newcomer thread where this is even less support for the "all ballot, all the way" you have preached for ages? It's OK to have strong opinions on stuff and I'm not asking you to change them, but you genuinely really need to move on at this point. Not even for others, but for yourself because has this has been going on for over half a year.
You think I'm saying this stuff so I can get people's support? Hell no. I don't give a crap about if people think the same as I do about Piranha Plant or the ballot, I'm just saying it how it is. We all have stupid opinions, such as thinking that Geno still has a legit shot in Ultimate, and we all still say it anyways. I already moved on and made peace that many fan request character that even I don't really care for are dead, but it still doesn't make any of the crappy situation better. People can call me out of this stuff all they want, ain't going to change anything.
 

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I thought Pirahna Plant was a lame addition then and still do now. I'm not going to get my underoos in a twist over it or pretend sakurai had any kind of malicious intent behind it but it was still an incredibly unexciting, disappointing, and definitely poorly-timed inclusion.
 

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I'm still catching up on everything that's been posted, but I'm pretty sure that complaining about Piranha Plant (over a year after Piranha Plant was released) is off-topic for a thread that's about speculating about future DLC.

It's not like this conversation started because someone was speculating about a Moblin or a Goomba being included in Smash and justifying it by pointing to Piranha Plant's inclusion - it just seems to be complaining that "Nintendo/Sakurai doesn't listen to the fans" despite all evidence to the contrary (and because of one or two character additions that some people don't like).
 
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You think I'm saying this stuff so I can get people's support? Hell no. I don't give a crap about if people think the same as I do about Piranha Plant or the ballot, I'm just saying it how it is. We all have stupid opinions, such as thinking that Geno still has a legit shot in Ultimate, and we all still say it anyways. I already moved on and made peace that many fan request character that even I don't really care for are dead, but it still doesn't make any of the crappy situation better. People can call me out of this stuff all they want, ain't going to change anything.
Really don’t want to burst your bubble, but yesterday I discovered something that could potentially point to a Geno Mii costume. Not 100%, but it could be a potential hit against him.


Wanting Geno is fine, but if you are expecting him, even for post pass, I’d advise against it right now.
 

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You think I'm saying this stuff so I can get people's support? Hell no. I don't give a crap about if people think the same as I do about Piranha Plant or the ballot, I'm just saying it how it is. We all have stupid opinions, such as thinking that Geno still has a legit shot in Ultimate, and we all still say it anyways. I already moved on and made peace that many fan request character that even I don't really care for are dead, but it still doesn't make any of the crappy situation better. People can call me out of this stuff all they want, ain't going to change anything.
If you had made your peace with it and moved on, you wouldn't feel the need to comment about it constantly and could be talking about the parts of Smash you enjoy and what else you look forward to. And I get it you're pessimistic, but that doesn't mean exciting additions aren't coming. Geno does still have a chance honestly, as do a great number of characters, especially in a post Fighter's Pass DLC world where the rules are largely unwritten and unknown.
 
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I already moved on and made peace that many fan request character that even I don't really care for are dead,
You say that, but then we got :ultridley::ultsnake::ultbanjokazooie::ultkrool::ultcloud::ultjoker: all in the same video game in 2019. I'm keeping an open mind for now.
 

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Really don’t want to burst your bubble, but yesterday I discovered something that could potentially point to a Geno Mii costume. Not 100%, but it could be a potential hit against him.


Wanting Geno is fine, but if you are expecting him, even for post pass, I’d advise against it right now.
I never said that I think Geno has a shot, I activity saying that he isn't getting in. You're not bursting my bubble, you're just telling something that I knew was going to happen. Guess I word my comment wrong.
 
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You say that, but then we got :ultridley::ultsnake::ultbanjokazooie::ultkrool::ultcloud::ultjoker: all in the same video game in 2019. I'm keeping an open mind for now.
We established that Sakurai hates Persona 5 and Joker's only in to promote Persona 5 on the Switch, why are you using Joker as an example?
 

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Really don’t want to burst your bubble, but yesterday I discovered something that could potentially point to a Geno Mii costume. Not 100%, but it could be a potential hit against him.


Wanting Geno is fine, but if you are expecting him, even for post pass, I’d advise against it right now.
I missed that so can you catch me up to speed?
 
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We established that Sakurai hates Persona 5 and Joker's only in to promote Persona 5 on the Switch, why are you using Joker as an example?
Oh yeah! I forgot! My bad. I forgot Persona 5 only broke 3 million sales worldwide. Man what a trash series.
 

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I missed that so can you catch me up to speed?
What I am about to share is very likely going to get me a ton of hate. But since we have nothing to talk about, I might as well just humor it for now.

I just discovered these posts on an old Gamefaqs thread

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78003945?page=1

And just to prove he did talk to Sabi in the past.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77982399?page=7


If Burb is to be believed, could he be potentially hinting at a Steve or Geno Mii costume?
This is what I discovered yesterday. It was posted back in September, and I guess it kind of flew under eveyones radar.
 

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Honestly, it's really bold to assume anything about the ballot when we never got numbers for it. All we know is Sakurai said most of the newcomers that have been added were on it in some shape or form and had a noticeable presence.
 

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If you had made your peace with it and moved on, you wouldn't feel the need to comment about it constantly and could be talking about the parts of Smash you enjoy and what else you look forward to. And I get it you're pessimistic, but that doesn't mean exciting additions aren't coming. Geno does still have a chance honestly, as do a great number of characters, especially in a post Fighter's Pass DLC world where the rules are largely unwritten and unknown.
I keep forgetting that negativity is not allowed in Smash Boards, you can only say happy positive things. No, I'm criticizing what's been going on and how things are playing out. The more we keep trying to sweeping all the negativity under the rug means it's more likely to happen all over again. For a lot that Smash Bros Ultimate does right it does stuff wrong as well that should be address, and it hasn't done anything to make me think that things will be different. Geno isn't coming, many fan favorite characters are never going to make it in, not even in the post Fighters Pass. I made peace that many of these fan favorite characters from the ballot are never going to see the light of day, but it doesn't mean I need to grind my teeth and be excited for Ultimate's future while ignoring all the signs that point in what direction it's going which just so happens to be in same directions that I keep complaining about. I made peace with the present and past, but the future isn't going to be different.
 

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I keep forgetting that negativity is not allowed in Smash Boards, you can only say happy positive things. No, I'm criticizing what's been going on and how things are playing out. The more we keep trying to sweeping all the negativity under the rug means it's more likely to happen all over again. For a lot that Smash Bros Ultimate does right it does stuff wrong as well that should be address, and it hasn't done anything to make me think that things will be different. Geno isn't coming, many fan favorite characters are never going to make it in, not even in the post Fighters Pass. I made peace that many of these fan favorite characters from the ballot are never going to see the light of day, but it doesn't mean I need to grind my teeth and be excited for Ultimate's future while ignoring all the signs that point in what direction it's going which just so happens to be in same directions that I keep complaining about. I made peace with the present and past, but the future isn't going to be different.
Not to be rude, but...why take part in speculation, then? You clearly don't like the direction the game has taken and are convinced it won't get better, so why spend so much energy on something that bothers you and you don't find fun or interesting anymore?
 

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Oh for peak sakes people still mad about that

This is why piranaha plant got in
https://mobile.twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1087127235155218432

He wanted to step back from “hero’s” and “villains” and it would be boring to keep going with that trend so they went outside that with a enemy (also most recognizable of the bunch)

And just to go for everybody else (outside passes)

Everyone is here was due to ballot and a chance nintendo came clean that snake actually beat bayonetta in that
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2019...popular-bayonetta-super-smash-bros-4s-ballot/

:ultridley::ultkrool::ultsimon::ultrichter: All ballot and :ultchrom: was he held requested in the east :ultdarksamus: in the west
https://www.sourcegaming.info/2018/...smash-direct-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-561/

Decidueye was almost the one but incineroar trumped due to the “pro wrestling” aspect and they did and wanted to present for ultra sun and moon”
https://mobile.twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1062726902341746691

As for :ultisabelle::ultinkling::ultken: :ultdaisy:pretty much all logical based on request (even if daisy was not shown as the first new echo it was safe bet after that)
 
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Yeah because you know you can never be creative or innovative with characters that the fanbase have been requesting for for years. Nope, can't be creative with characters like Waluigi, Ashley, Banadana Waddle Dee, Geno, Paper Mario, Isaac, Chibi Robo, Shantae, Wonder Red, Sora, Skull Kid, Krystal, Bomberman, or Rayman. Totally can't make a creative moveset with any of these guys, so just scrap them and just put in characters that nobody have been asking for instead.
I wanna note that dragon quest was actually requested in the west back then before all of this
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And this was during the smash 4 ballot days
https://youtu.be/rhNdhal0uTU

As for the requested ones there’s nothing holding them back like shantae or geno they still have a chance and the ones that are unrepresented...there are some the people didnt ask for but most of them are ones people have been asking for in the ballot days Like Dante,Layton,and Lloyd Irving
 
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