Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

Imagine for a moment, due to the massive succes of Fire Emblem Three Houses, and the series owing their coming to the West thanks to Smash Bros., we get an entire Fire Emblem Fighters Pass with Byleth, Dimitri, Edelgard and Claude as newcomers.

Your reaction?

Would buy the whole thing out of curiosity’s sake.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I don't think you should take someone seriously if they judge a series based on how much content it gets in Smash.

Normally yes, but that would be so egregious and tone-deaf that I wouldn't be able to blame someone who doesn't care about FE for despising it.

That would just be terrible marketing from Nintendo's part.

I have a different Fire Emblem related question. If you were able to replace a Fire Emblem character on the roster with a 3 Houses rep, would you do it? And if yes, who would you replace and which 3 Houses character would you pick?

Cut Corrin, let's get Byleth.

 

[Deleted member]

nessdeltarune00 I just wanna say that just because what burb said will make judgegeno freak out dosent mean it’s 100% geno it could just be steve since some mention hes a big steve supporter(idk if this is true. is it?) most thought verges square rep claim was gonna 100% lead to geno at first but look where that went()

also who knows if this is still standing it’s probably dead since burb never mentioned it again ever since And told us this isn’t concrete

 

[Cosmic77]

I know most of Smashboards would be ecstatic because it'd give them an opportunity to rub it in the faces of those who dislike FE, but an all-FE pass would be blatant favoritism for a franchise that's already had "win the lottery twice" luck when it comes to good timing and getting new characters. You could've given one of those spots to a new Pokemon or Astral Chain rep, or maybe even a fan-favorite like BWD or Dixie.

I'm not taking this too seriously though, because I know the scenario was made just to spark discussion.

 

[Deleted member]

we thought verges square rep claim was gonna 100% lead to geno at first but look where that went

We did?

 

[TheCJBrine]

Anything Vergeben has said about Minecraft can likely be dropped now, if we get Minecraft stuff it will likely be in the next season and what Vergeben heard was most-likely before they did more negotiations since he first claimed the stuff back in May 2018.

Watch we get Master Chief and said Minecraft content is a Creeper hat and a Steve Mii costume ().

Please stop...

 

[Ura]

Imagine for a moment, due to the massive succes of Fire Emblem Three Houses, and the series owing their coming to the West thanks to Smash Bros., we get an entire Fire Emblem Fighters Pass with Byleth, Dimitri, Edelgard and Claude as newcomers.

Your reaction?

Moving to Canada although I already live in Canada.

plz don't do this to me sakurai have some mercy on my soul

I have a different Fire Emblem related question. If you were able to replace a Fire Emblem character on the roster with a 3 Houses rep, would you do it? And if yes, who would you replace and which 3 Houses character would you pick?

This is a much more sensible question. Thank you for not being outrageous like our little fella Diddy over here lol.

Yes I would. I would axe Corrin and add in Byleth in a heartbeat even tho I don't have much of a desire for anything 3H related. Whipsword is neato I guess so it's a bonus.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I have a different Fire Emblem related question. If you were able to replace a Fire Emblem character on the roster with a 3 Houses rep, would you do it? And if yes, who would you replace and which 3 Houses character would you pick?

Yes, I'd do it.

If Byleth gets whip sword moves like Ivy Valentine, then I would cut any or every Fire Emblem character in Smash to put them in.

 

[Ura]

I know most of Smashboards would be ecstatic because it'd give them an opportunity to rub it in the faces of those who dislike FE, but an all-FE pass would be blatant favoritism for a franchise that's already had "win the lottery twice" luck when it comes to good timing and getting new characters. You could've given one of those spots to a new Pokemon or Astral Chain rep, or maybe even a fan-favorite like BWD or Dixie.

I'm not taking this too seriously though, because I know the scenario was made just to spark discussion.

I don't doubt that for a second. I mean giving any franchise an entire pass is like a really, REALLY dumb idea. I don't even care if your Mario or PKMN. Thankfully, Sakurai has enough sensibility to not do something like this haha.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't doubt that for a second. I mean giving any franchise an entire pass is like a really, REALLY dumb idea. I don't even care if your Mario or PKMN. Thankfully, Sakurai has enough sensibility to not do something like this haha.

As much as I think Sakurai isn't even scraping the top of the Pokemon barrel, my ideal DLC selection out of 15 characters would only have two-three of them: Mimikyu/Lycanroc for being a far better Gen 7 rep, Eevee for its mascot status, and for an echo pass an echo of Pikachu or Squirtle. Not filling out an entire selection of DLC with 15 just because another Pikachu would be a better salt mine than another Marth.

 

[Ura]

As much as I think Sakurai isn't even scraping the top of the Pokemon barrel, my ideal DLC selection out of 15 characters would only have two-three of them: Mimikyu/Lycanroc for being a far better Gen 7 rep, Eevee for its mascot status, and for an echo pass an echo of Pikachu or Squirtle.

Sorry but I just don't dig any kind of franchise-specific pass no matter which series lol.

Hell, I know this would never happen in like a trillion years but I wouldn't even like an AW Pass if that was a thing in some alternate timeline. That's how much i'm against a concept like that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Most likely ballot characters:



Could go both ways:



Probably had 0 to do with the ballot:

What do you mean both ways for Chrom and Hero? Remember, Chrom's game was 5 years old, and as seen with Fire Emblem, only the newer installments matter every Smash release and the implication that Dragon Quest, a franchise so massive in Japan that the government told SE not to release new games on workdays after the chaos of DQIII, didn't have ballot support.


Also how the hell is Joker 'probably' nothing to do with the ballot his game wasn't out until after Smash 4 was finished with it's lifespan

 

[Garteam]

I love Fire Emblem, it's a personal favourite of mine, but Byleth is more than enough to represent Three Houses. Work the other lords in his moveset through a gimmick or Final Smash and I don't think anyone would complain.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Sorry but I just don't dig any kind of franchise-specific pass no matter which series lol.

Hell, I know this would never happen in like a trillion years but I wouldn't even like an AW Pass if that was a thing in some alternate timeline. That's how much i'm against a concept like that.

It's not a franchise pass. These would be spread out across general ones.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I love Fire Emblem, it's a personal favourite of mine, but Byleth is more than enough to represent Three Houses. Work the other lords in his moveset through a gimmick or Final Smash and I don't think anyone would complain.

I'd complain alongside anyone who cared about 3H's narrative, so every 3H fan

 

[Ura]

It's not a franchise pass. These would be spread out across general ones.

Ehh, I could do without much more PKMM but to each their own. Support any character you want really.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think whatever Sakurai started doing after Lucario works best for Pokemon. Just add a character from the latest Pokemon game and flesh out the other Gens by adding new Pokeball Pokemon and trophies/Spirits.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't love to see Zoroark or Lycanroc get in, but I think the current process is simple and easy to enjoy for everyone. I'd rather wait until either become extremely relevant again and/or a remake of their Gen is released.

 

[Thermithral]

A franchise pass. Mmm, no, I would not be a fan.

A first party only pass? Yes, that needs to happen.

 

[Garteam]

I'd complain alongside anyone who cared about 3H's narrative, so every 3H fan

I guess I'm not a Three Houses fan, because I support Byleth and think he'd be a fine representation of Three House's narrative in Smash. Byleth being playable is virtually the only consistent thing between all 4 routes, I don't see how his inclusion is a poor representation of Three Houses.

 

[Ura]

A first party only pass? Yes, that needs to happen.

The only 10/10 take in this thread lmao.

 

[Deleted member]

We did?

My bad I should have said most instead

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I guess I'm not a Three Houses fan, because I support Byleth and think he'd be a fine representation of Three House's narrative in Smash. Byleth being playable is virtually the only consistent thing between all 4 routes, I don't see how his inclusion is a poor representation of Three Houses.

Byleth themselves isn't poor per se, but trying to shoehorn all 3 house leaders into their moveset would indeed go against the core theme of inevitable conflict as you'll have all 3 leaders join forces and work together, something literally impossible for well, any of the three

 

[Guynamednelson]

I think whatever Sakurai started doing after Lucario works best for Pokemon. Just add a character from the latest Pokemon game and flesh out the other Gens by adding new Pokeball Pokemon and trophies/Spirits.

I was fine with Greninja because he couldn't tell which was a fan favorite at the time and it worked out well anyway. But he could with Incineroar and chose poorly anyway, and didn't consider what could've been an echo. Hell with K. Rool not representing new DKC games he could've just considered a ballot choice instead of moveset_wrestler.

 

[Garteam]

Byleth themselves isn't poor per se, but trying to shoehorn all 3 house leaders into their moveset would indeed go against the core theme of inevitable conflict as you'll have all 3 leaders join forces and work together, something literally impossible for well, any of the three

This is true, but you could easily get around this by having the characters appear as their pre-time skip versions when everyone is getting along fine, even if its just in a Final Smash cutscene. Part of the tragedy in Three Houses is the way that the relationships between the students break down once the war starts, so having them function as one unit isn't necessarily a betrayal of their characters. Having the lords be somewhat amicable with each other is a key part of their character arcs.

 

[StarBot]

I was very underwhelmed by Plant's inclusion though not really mad about it or anything. But adding a character just for the sake of some variation from heroes and villains isn't instantly going to make the character likable or a good inclusion. I get that some people enjoy the Plant, but for me he does absolutely nothing and I think there were better options even considering the criteria Sakurai was looking for. It's all in the past now though, so meh whatever.

I will admit I kinda find the reason funny because I distinctly remember how "we need more villians" rally cry around here was

And here Sakurai admitted he added a character because "we need more villians" and not alot of people enjoyed it

Now that this site has a "we need more female characters" identify, I wonder what Sakurai is going to add to dispoint those people s/

yes, I know he added and before so this joke doesn't hold up well

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This is true, but you could easily get around this by having the characters appear as their pre-time skip versions when everyone is getting along fine, even if its just in a Final Smash cutscene. Part of the tragedy in Three Houses is the way that the relationships between the students break down once the war starts, so having them function as one unit isn't necessarily a betrayal of their characters. Having the lords be somewhat amicable with each other is a key part of their character arcs.

It still goes against the main theme of the entire game as the second half of the story is where the meat is and feels incredibly forced, you have a character with a whipsword, a degree of time manipulation, magic and fisticuffs, that's more than enough to sell a character on and just randomly slapping the house leaders would make Byleth lose some potential, it's hella awkward to have 3 different characters randomly teleport in to do something when the character you're playing is supposed to be this mercenary trained fighter who's a force to be reckoned with on their own.

 

[Nethermoosen]

I will admit I kinda find the reason funny because I distinctly remember how "we need more villians" rally cry around here was

And here Sakurai admitted he added a character because "we need more villians" and not alot of people enjoyed it

Now that this site has a "we need more female characters" identify, I wonder what Sakurai is going to add to dispoint those people s/

yes, I know he added and before so this joke doesn't hold up well

What if the female ended up being Salazzle or Vespequen?

 

[SlickWylde]

Man, it's weird to me that people didn't like PP's inclusion but got excited for Fire Emblem. PP was a little off putting at first, mostly just because of the trailer and his quasi DLC status, but when I realized what it was I was hyped! Him, K Rool and Ridley and Banjo are my favorite newcomers!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The only thing Smash needs is a continued focus on inventive, fun gameplay that brings in new people. That can be done with first parties AND third parties.

Also, for what it’s worth, as a previous skeptic of Incineroar, I think he turned out great. Doesn’t even play like a Pokémon, but a wrestler, and that’s a lot of fun.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Doesn’t even play like a Pokémon, but a wrestler,

Why is that a good thing? A Pokemon shouldn't have a moveset fully interchangeable with someone from another franchise. Greninja isn't interchangeable because no other ninja can squirt water to boost itself upwards or hit people with their tongue.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Why is that a good thing? A Pokemon shouldn't have a moveset fully interchangeable with someone from another franchise. Greninja isn't interchangeable because no other ninja can squirt water to boost itself upwards or hit people with their tongue.

I don’t think rocketing upwards before diving diagonally in an explosive blaze is really all that interchangeable. Nor is Revenge. At least, he’s no more an average wrestler archetype than Greninja is the average ninja archetype.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don’t think rocketing upwards before diving diagonally in an explosive blaze is really all that interchangeable. Nor is Revenge. At least, he’s no more an average wrestler archetype than Greninja is the average ninja archetype.

One thing Incineroar's supposed to do is shoot flames from its belt. This is part of the reason why I cringe at its design, but having that be a part of its Smash moveset would be a better indicator that this moveset was made for Incineroar, rather than one that was lying around.

 

[Deleted member]

A franchise pass. Mmm, no, I would not be a fan.

A first party only pass? Yes, that needs to happen.

I'd like that too.

Hell, I'd settle for a pass that turned 5 Current or Past assist trophies into full playable (non-Echo) characters. Skull Kid, Isaac, Samurai Goroh, Midna (with Wolf Link), Ashley, Ghirahim, Krystal, Waluigi (to satisfy the meme group that somehow made it a real want), Shadow, Dillon, Phosphora, Takamaru, Spring Man; there's more than enough for a pass. And if they really wanted to, they could introduce new Assist trophies to take the previous' place.

 

[Deleted member]

I don’t think rocketing upwards before diving diagonally in an explosive blaze is really all that interchangeable. Nor is Revenge. At least, he’s no more an average wrestler archetype than Greninja is the average ninja archetype.

The first move you mentioned is similar to a move from a street fighter called Urien, except he does it with his knees. You could have mentioned side B but instead for one of the moves inspired by Street fighter.

 

[Nethermoosen]

One thing Incineroar's supposed to do is shoot flames from its belt. This is part of the reason why I cringe at its design, but having that be a part of its Smash moveset would be a better indicator that this moveset was made for Incineroar, rather than one that was lying around.

I imagine Sakurai is trying to avoid making a bunch of newcomers with so many moves similar to others. Flamethrower from Charizard and Fire Breath for Bowser serve the same purpose.
In the games, he never learned anything like that other than Flamethrower(which he wasn’t even that good with).
he was much better known for his Darkest Lariat.

it was the anime that portrayed him using the belt. Probably not Sakurai’s first choice when making decisions.

@Jack_White I never said his moves were entirely unique. There’s only so many directions someone can attack.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The only thing Smash needs is a continued focus on inventive, fun gameplay that brings in new people. That can be done with first parties AND third parties.

Also, for what it’s worth, as a previous skeptic of Incineroar, I think he turned out great. Doesn’t even play like a Pokémon, but a wrestler, and that’s a lot of fun.

What does "doesn't even play like a Pokemon" even mean these stupid ****s all have some theming behind their designs and I'm like "Oh wow what a surprise the big dragon fights like a dragon, the martial artist fights like a martial artist, the ninja plays like a ninja and the wrestler plays like a wrestler" as Smash tends to keep their general design motives intact, the yellow rats, fetus, turtle and frog dino plant thing are the exceptions

 

[blackghost]

Lets not revise history here there were Definitely requests from the fanbase for a character that was 1. surprising 2. has no advanced mechanics 3. no inputs 4. fits "naturally" in smash as people still had/have bayo phobia. 5*. hopefully was a villain. PP fit all of that criteria and also fits sakurai personally as a dev because he likes to create move sets for a surprise/joke (depending on viewpoint).

im not saying you have to like every addition i found PP to be a funny addition, i found banjo to be the boring one to each their own.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Lets not revise history here there were Definitely requests from the fanbase for a character that was 1. surprising 2. has no advanced mechanics 3. no inputs 4. fits "naturally" in smash as people still had/have bayo phobia. 5*. hopefully was a villain. PP fit all of that criteria and also fits sakurai personally as a dev because he likes to create move sets for a surprise/joke (depending on viewpoint).

im not saying you have to like every addition i found PP to be a funny addition, i found banjo to be the boring one to each their own.

If you're implying that there was demand for Plant you're the revisionist here, I don't think even the staunchest of its defenders would back you up on this one.

There was demand for characters fitting those criteria, not a single character for all. The people who supporter those kinds of characters didn't necessarily support all of those at one. And wanting those kinds of characters still doesn't mean you want Piranha Plant.

That's like saying that because certain groups of people want 1. Solo female characters 2. First party characters 3. Grass-type starter Pokemon 4. Old characters then all of a sudden Bayleef is in demand.

 

[Deleted member]

Smash fans who spent years complaining about Corrin because "it doesn't matter how unique they are, they still use a sword" annoy me to no end because we finally have 3 perfect FE candidates who all use anything but swords yet ya'll keep pushing the boring ass silent protagonist with blue hair and a sword because you think their whipsword would bring anything that Belmonts already don't and I'm sorry Brent but it going into the Z-axis changes jack **** in how they play especially when Belmonts already do that anyways.

 

[Schnee117]

Byleth with all three house leaders is easily one of my least wanted ideas for a Smash character.
All four of those characters can stand alone on their own merits without being shoehorned into an absolute mess of a moveset.