Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[RileyXY1]

Simon, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, and K. Rool are my favorite fighting game characters.

That trailer was after EVO and not at the event itself.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Evo Japan is on the 24th of January, we are likely gonna get a direct before hand, especially since outside of Xenoblade Remake, New Horizons, and TMS we know nothing of Nintendo's first party 2020 line up and TMS would of already been out by then.

 

[Sphenodon]

Thoughts on a Direct at or near Christmas?

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

I doubt it'll happen, but it's be cool if the DLC lasted long enough for a BotW 2 character to be considered.

Hot Ganondorf for Smash.

(btw, the model is fanmade, using elements from the BotW2 trailer as well as general Gerudo traits from BotW as inspiration)

I know some people would prefer a non-triforce wielder but i would unironically be down for a 2nd Ganon. Especially if it'd mean that he could be totally unique this time, as in, not a clone of Captain Falcon i mean. Of course, we don't know enough about BotW2's Ganon to even speculate about him right now but yeah, just a thought.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Thoughts on a direct at or near Christmas?

Not gonna happen, Nintendo is likely gonna wait until the Holiday's are well over and do their typical January/February direct mid January at the earliest.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Thoughts on a direct at or near Christmas?

Well, we are approaching the week when the final Smash 4 Direct aired. It could happen if we get a confirmation in the next few days, otherwise we wait for January.

I know some people would prefer a non-triforce wielder

These people should make an exception for a second Ganon. You just know he wouldn't be a clone. And these people should also campaign against the next Pokemon rep being Greninjaroar 3, but that's a story for another time.

 

[perfectchaos83]

So KOS-MOS is truly disconfirmed? Or is she like Geno/Doomguy where it's still possible that she's actually in due to a lack of evidence suggesting otherwise?

Apparently Verge and Sabi's source still didn't say anything about whether she's out or not, plus FP5 not being shown at VGA kinda makes me think the character is a little more on the obscure side.

I heard about the KOS-MOS mod video though, that's really sad :/

Nothing really changed. Her not being at the VGAs doesn't negate the oddities both Verge and Sabi have had in trying to deconfirm her at the present time.

This is something I'm not sure why people gloss over. Sabi nor Verge's statements about fighter 5 have changed due to no reveal at the VGAs. What they said still stands.

 

[RileyXY1]

Nothing really changed. Her not being at the VGAs doesn't negate the oddities both Verge and Sabi have had in trying to deconfirm her at the present time.

This is something I'm not sure why people gloss over. Sabi nor Verge's statements about fighter 5 have changed due to no reveal at the VGAs. What they said still stands.

However, there are still some problems, such as that Verge didn't even know what company KOS-MOS belonged to.

 

[Ura]

Thoughts on a direct at or near Christmas?

I reckon there's a 10% chance for a Smash Direct next week (IIRC, Fighter 5's page was updated recently or something) but otherwise 2 reveals are all but assured for January's Direct.

 

[perfectchaos83]

However, there are still some problems, such as that Verge didn't even know what company KOS-MOS belonged to.

Verge very much knows what company KOS-MOS belongs to. It's the knowledge his chain of information has that made him question it especially after he got a "not sure" from his source.

 

[Fenriraga]

I can't see there being a direct this month. Not only did we just have the Nindies and VGAs, but looking back, Nintendo hardly ever does December directs, only ones I saw were Wii U era. No point in getting people hyped for stuff that WON'T be around before Christmas, I'd imagine.

However, I still feel like we'll get the fighter reveal this month. Question is when and how.

 

[RileyXY1]

I myself am thinking that Fighter 5 will just be shadowdropped in a Smash direct in February.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I do feel it's a missed opportunity to not have announced the entire pass and advertise the living hell out of it for the Holiday rush. But what do I know.

 

[Fenriraga]

I do feel it's a missed opportunity to not have completed the pass and advertise the living hell out of it for the Holiday rush. But what do I know.

You're not wrong, having fighter 5 show up before Christmas right as plenty of people get Smash as a gift seems like a smart move. Would absolutely push pass sales.

Which is exactly why it won't happen because Nintendo has to flip-flop between good and bad choices.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I can't see there being a direct this month. Not only did we just have the Nindies and VGAs, but looking back, Nintendo hardly ever does December directs, only ones I saw were Wii U era. No point in getting people hyped for stuff that WON'T be around before Christmas, I'd imagine.

However, I still feel like we'll get the fighter reveal this month. Question is when and how.

It's common to get a Direct within a few weeks of an Indie direct.

 

[Ura]

The only thing that makes me doubtful is that Smash Directs haven't been a thing since the base roster. If there were one next week, it would be a first for this game's DLC.

 

[RileyXY1]

It's common to get a Direct within a few weeks of an Indie direct.

Except, why would they do a Direct now, when it's only twelve days away from Christmas?

 

[KatKit]

I try not to rely too heavily on leaks this late in development. Plans can change, false info can be thrown out to expose leakers, miscommunication can happen, etc.

For example, I knew almost everything about KH3 wayyy before its release; I've worked with Disney (no joke). The final product didn't turn out exactly as I saw it pre-release, but it was close enough. So, I could've leaked most of it years ahead of time, or provided the info to someone else so that they could, but I did not. Now let's assume that I did. Everyone would be like "Yo, we gotta go to Kat for more KH3 info," once KH3's DLC is announced. After all, I have a track record; I had accurate info that the general public did not and I revealed it. But... I don't know anything post-launch. I wasn't involved with that.

Seeing as how confidential info was previously revealed and post-launch content is typically created by a smaller team dedicated to it, it'd be harder to leak. The info I had pre-release doesn't mean anything, regardless of how accurate it was. Sure, I can call someone up and ask how the game is coming along, but aside from being hella suspicious, they'd risk ruining their career, which isn't very likely. Or they'd give me a general statement like "The project is going well; we're ahead of schedule." There's also the possibility that the info they give me is intentionally wrong and I am exposed. There's even the possibility that a person who's willing to give me info barely speaks English. Heck, it's not even my first language (Español puertorriqueño); I also learned Japanese (which has its uses), but I'm not very proficient. This can be the difference between "Tekken game" and "The Ken game". Miscommunication.

Fortunately for me, some of the early info I had access to was cut content. Remember, plans change. So, I'm able to leak that. My track record is still in tact, but the info is scarce.

Now let's pretend that they announce even more DLC. And it's entirely new content. At this point, I am without a paddle. Maybe someone else steps up to the plate, but I have a reputation to uphold, so I piggyback off of them immediately. I get most of, if not all of the credit; after all, Kat was first, and she was able to leak most of the base game. However, by now, the company is cracking down on this hardcore. It's more tight-knit than ever. And let's say that they decide to release even more DLC. By now I got nothing. Nobody does. And if they did, they'd know who exposed it. It isn't worth the trouble. At best, I could make deductions based on early ideas and concepts I was exposed to.

Does any of this sound familiar?

But yeah, post launch, I think things will be less predictable (and I tried to explain why as eloquently as possible). Nintendo seemed to have caught on, more or less. That's why I'm going to focus on my own predictions. There's always the chance that they can acquire more info or someone else provides it, but that's not assured. This wouldn't be the first time that a fighting game managed to sneak a few characters post-launch completely undetected, after having its pre-release base roster exposed.

I honestly think I'm on to something with this 2B stuff. IDK. It'd be cool if she was fighter #5 or 6, and I still think it's likely. Regardless, I see her getting in eventually.

 

[Deleted member]

How did you deal with the disappointment that was TGA?

I went to bed and got back up 4 hrs later for work since I sacrificed sleep to watch it.

 

[Ura]

It's common to get a Direct within a few weeks of an Indie direct.

Ehh...

There really wasn't one after the March Indie showcase but yeah that's usually the trend. Things add up to well for there not to be a Direct early-Jan IMO.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Except, why would they do a Direct now, when it's only twelve days away from Christmas?

On the fifth day of Christmas Sakurai gave to me.

FIGH TER 5

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Thats a weird way to spell Morrigan hehehe...




and why this is stupid? although for completionism this ones should come as a free update IMO.. or tied to a non fighter content pack with enough pack to justify itself (stage, or music?)

I’d love a general pack of music, stages and various other small additions. It would open speculation up a ton, at least. More fun when stages and items and AT’s are in discussion. Nowadays it’s all character talk

 

[perfectchaos83]

Except, why would they do a Direct now, when it's only twelve days away from Christmas?

Because Nintendo does what Nintendo wants. They don't exactly follow reason.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

I find the likely hood of Nintendo doing any kind of direct for the rest of the year to be pretty unlikely. They're still focusing on marketing their holiday line up like Sword and Shield, Luigi's Manson 3, Link's Awakening, Switch Lite, and some of the third party games like Overwatch and The Witcher 3.

The last time they held a general direct in late December was 2013 and they typically do a general one that covers a decent amount of that year's line up in January (or in the case of this year February) and chances are since we are close to a general Nintendo direct they will likely save fighter 5 for that.

As I said earlier, we only know three first party games set for 2020, being TMS, New Horizons, and Xenoblade 1's remake. TMS is set to release in January, so they need to reveal what else they got coming out next year since its so far looking pretty barren first party wise.

We also need some actual gameplay details on some third party exclusives like No More Heroes 3, Rune Factory 5, Deadly Premtion 2, Bravely Default 2, and SMTV.

Also its been 2 years since Bayonetta 3 was announced and still no gameplay footage and only statements like development is going well, despite how it only took Bayonetta 2, 2 years to go from reveal to release.

 

[Fenriraga]

I find the likely hood of Nintendo doing any kind of direct for the rest of the year to be pretty unlikely. They're still focusing on marketing their holiday line up like Sword and Shield, Luigi's Manson 3, Link's Awakening, Switch Lite, and some of the third party games like Overwatch and The Witcher 3.

The last time they held a general direct in late December was 2013 and they typically do a general one that covers a decent amount of that year's line up in January (or in the case of this year February) and chances are since we are close to a general Nintendo direct they will likely save fighter 5 for that.

As I said earlier, we only know three first party games set for 2020, being TMS, New Horizons, and Xenoblade 1's remake. TMS is set to release in January, so they need to reveal what else they got coming out next year since its so far looking pretty barren first party wise.

We also need some actual gameplay details on some third party exclusives like No More Heroes 3, Rune Factory 5, Deadly Premtion 2, Bravely Default 2, and SMTV.

Also its been 2 years since Bayonetta 3 was announced and still no gameplay footage and only statements like development is going well, despite how it only took Bayonetta 2, 2 years to go from reveal to release.

In all fairness, Platinum wasn't doing quite as much around Bayo 2's development, unless I'm mistaken.

They had a good chunk of the team on Astral Chain duty.

But everything else I agree with.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Bayonetta 3 is a myth. It doesn't exist. Just like Pikmin 4.

 

[Fenriraga]

Bayonetta 3 is a myth. It doesn't exist. Just like Pikmin 4.

Laughs in Tekken x Street Fighter

i mean Harada has given very good reasons as to why it's on an indefinite hold, but I don't care, I want to see these two series cross over in a game that's not bad.

 

[TheYungLink]

I know some people would prefer a non-triforce wielder but i would unironically be down for a 2nd Ganon. Especially if it'd mean that he could be totally unique this time, as in, not a clone of Captain Falcon i mean. Of course, we don't know enough about BotW2's Ganon to even speculate about him right now but yeah, just a thought.

Psst, you might want to take a look at this thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/gam...epping-down-thread-open-for-take-over.448263/

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Exactly, that just adds another group to negotiate with on top of Disney and Square.

plus Yoko Shimomura seems like she'd be easy to work with since Nintendo already deal with her

 

[Nemuresu]

Laughs in Tekken x Street Fighter

i mean Harada has given very good reasons as to why it's on an indefinite hold, but I don't care, I want to see these two series cross over in a game that's not bad.

Street Fighter X Tekken wasn't bad at core. It's just the DLC on disc and the clear PS bias that ruined it.

 

[Megadoomer]

plus Yoko Shimomura seems like she'd be easy to work with since Nintendo already deal with her

You'd think so, but we didn't get Final Fantasy 7 music in spite of Nobuo Uematsu working on Brawl's soundtrack, or Final Fantasy 7 artwork for spirits in spite of Tetsuya Nomura providing Cloud's artwork for Smash 4.

I don't know what's going on with Square-Enix when it comes to art and music, but whatever the situation is, it seems like a weird one.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Exactly, that just adds another group to negotiate with on top of Disney and Square.

Yoko has done plenty of work for Nintendo in the past like being the Mario & Luigi RPG composure, composing some tracks for Xenoblade 1, and I am certain she has done some remixes for Ultimate already and hell let's not forget what might be her most iconic game she composed for Street Fighter 2 has plenty of tracks already in Ultimate.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Bayonetta 3 is a myth. It doesn't exist. Just like Pikmin 4.

Haha... I am sad.

 

[SvartWolf]

Bayonetta 3 is a myth. It doesn't exist. Just like Pikmin 4.

All hail Shin Megami Tenseir V as our new saviour... of games taht we barelyknow stuff but are kinda coming?

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Psst, you might want to take a look at this thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/gam...epping-down-thread-open-for-take-over.448263/

lol thx a lot but i already found it a while ago. I love the idea of Pig Ganon, the moveset concepts for him are really interesting.

The illustrated one is super well done imo:

But yeah, i put him in my 'pipedreams' category. Not sure it could happen, realistically i mean.. idk. But i sure love the idea.

 

[KillerCage]

Please disregard this if you still believe if Vergeben and Sabi.
Otherwise...

Spoiler: Cacomallow "Leak"

Yeah I get that, but there's a huge difference between the Grinch Leak and the CacoMallow post. The Grinch Leak only gained attention due to a procession of conveniences. On it's own merits, it's as believable as a random 4chan post, that is to say not at all. But then there was the weird green discoloration on the banner art around where Isaac would be on the mural according to the Grinch Leak, there was that Wendy's video that had that new healing item that looked like a Golden Sun icon, when people looked into it the company they found they took down their information. Before we knew it, this post became bigger than anyone would've expected.

Meanwhile, the CacoMallow post only has itself to go off of. No coincidental timing, no wild conspiracy theories, nothing but an image and two videos. It's practically night and day compared to the Grinch Leak, which honestly leaves me baffled as to why people keep comparing the two.


It's funny that you say that it, because a lot of the arguments I've heard against this post actually use the fact that it looks as convincing as it is as a point against it, because somebody could've taken a lot of time to make it look real. And to their credit, the CacoMallow post hats look really good, almost official, which is why I say that this isn't a case of people having to prove it's legit per se, rather it's a case of the people needing to prove it wrong.


It's Mallow AND Smithy, @Fatmanonice confirmed it with the guy himself.
https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/post-23730048


Sans is owned by one guy, and that guy happens to be Sakurai's friend. If he asked Sakurai to put Sans in Smash as a costume, the only people Sakurai would've most likely needed to communicate with is Toby, his 3D modelers, and the couple people at most who compile and edit the presentations. How likely do you think it is that any insiders would've heard about it? I'd imagine they'd all be as tight-lipped as possible, lest they lose their jobs, so I'm not suprised Sans isn't on the list.


But those three leaks were massive, though. The ESRB Leak had actual gameplay of Smash 4 3DS, the Pokemon Leaks had a deluge of actual gameplay and images both from in-game and from the strategy guides, and when Ultimate leaked it was the real deal game in full. Of course they'd be taken down in those cases, it's so obviously 100% legit that Nintendo couldn't just ignore it. The CacoMallow post is incredibly small scale in comparison, it only shows off a couple of random costumes, it doesn't spoil anything too major and can be safely ignored for the most part.

And really, I think that may explain why they didn't take any of the videos down. I mean, if the videos were legit and they took it down, that would only lead people into believing it was legit, because why else would they have taken it down? Because they're mods? Then what about all of the other Ultimate mods? Why weren't those taken down? Some of those videos have over hundreds of thousands of views on them, so why are they still up? So when you think about it, leaving the video up and not doing anything is the best route they can take, because it allows people to easily dismiss it as fake and forget about it, which is what's largely happened outside of some more devoted Smash fans. Hell, your post is proof of that.


I'm not saying that Doomguy and Geno are 100%, though. I'm just speculating and arguing for why I believe they may be real, because they very much look legit.


Fair enough, but the Grinch Leak did have an effect on people, namely getting their hopes up too high and tricking them into thinking something was happening when it wasn't.


I agree that the mod looks nice, but just because something can be faked isn't evidence that it is faked. The Mii in that screenshot doesn't have hair, that's clearly part of it's hat, but regardless if it is or isn't, that's still a major problem with the model. For clarity's sake, that model was made to be passed off as the one in the CacoMallow post in an attempt to disprove it. The fact that an error like that is present means that it failed it's purpose.

And as for this being Grinch Leak 2.0, I get the feeling you forgot why that fake leak got as big as it did. The Grinch Leak only gained attention due to a procession of conveniences. On it's own merits, it's as believable as a random 4chan post, that is to say not at all. But then there was the weird green discoloration on the banner art around where Isaac would be on the mural according to the Grinch Leak, there was that Wendy's video that had that new healing item that looked like a Golden Sun icon, when people looked into it the company they found they took down their information. Before we knew it, this post became bigger than anyone would've expected.

Meanwhile, the CacoMallow post only has itself to go off of. No coincidental timing, no wild conspiracy theories, nothing but an image and two videos. It's practically night and day compared to the Grinch Leak, which honestly leaves me baffled as to why people keep comparing the two.


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The inner black section of the hat on the recreation on the right does not at all match the CacoMallow post. The CacoMallow!Hat clearly shows it curving down and around the face, whereas the recreation on the right does not.

Considering that trust in Sabi and Verge are an all time low, this "leak" might be back on the table.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

All hail Shin Megami Tenseir V as our new saviour... of games taht we barelyknow stuff but are kinda coming?

cries in Rune Factory 5 whose announcement was a year ago and we don't anything about it yet outside of existing.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Yoko has done plenty of work for Nintendo in the past like being the Mario & Luigi RPG composure, composing some tracks for Xenoblade 1, and I am certain she has done some remixes for Ultimate already and hell let's not forget what might be her most iconic game she composed for Street Fighter 2 has plenty of tracks already in Ultimate.

I don't think Yoko did the actual themes of the series (Simple and clean, sanctuary, Face my fears)

...Though face my fears in smash would be cool. That one would probably get in purely because it's still technically recent and Disney and Square would want extra promotion.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

You'd think so, but we didn't get Final Fantasy 7 music in spite of Nobuo Uematsu working on Brawl's soundtrack, or Final Fantasy 7 artwork for spirits in spite of Tetsuya Nomura providing Cloud's artwork for Smash 4.

I don't know what's going on with Square-Enix when it comes to art and music, but whatever the situation is, it seems like a weird one.

i mean don't the composers own the rights to there music and not the company itself?

 

[Animegamingnerd]

I don't think Yoko did the actual themes of the series (Simple and clean, sanctuary, Face my fears)

...Though face my fears in smash would be cool. That one would probably get in purely because it's still technically recent and Disney and Square would want extra promotion.

Yeah Utada is a different beast entirely if Nintendo would even bother getting the license for her songs if Sora gets in. Then again I got the songs did for the Evangelion Rebuild Movies in some of my spotify playlists so who knows, maybe they could reach an agreement.