Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

RE Spirits came because Sakurai discussed with Capcom about Phoenix as a fighter, and Capcom gave him RE spirits as a bonus prize.

You jest but...

 

[Icedragonadam]

Yeah that’s something that’s been on my mind as well, she fits the Bosatu leak’s description almost perfectly (She can use throwing weapons and she wears Japanese clothing) plus with the fact that SEGA seemingly seems to be preparing to extensively push the series in light of Shin Sakura Wars and the series being immensely impactful even outside of Japan (I mean it inspired Mass Effect even for crying out loud) I really am starting to grow suspicious that maybe, just maybe, Sakura is FP5, we’ll have to wait and see but if so it’d make sense because she’s the PERFECT shocker.

Can't wait for the "gee Sega, how come Sakurai lets you have 4 characters" memes to happen if that's the case.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

RE Spirits came because Sakurai discussed with Capcom about Phoenix as a fighter, and Capcom gave him RE spirits as a bonus prize.

*Crashes into thread*

Link! Source! NOW!!!!

 

[Guynamednelson]

. I think a few people would at least be able to guess what franchise BWD and Dixie come from.

While we shouldn't be focusing on recognizability after "fun to play, not just recognizable", shouldn't Waddle Dees being recognizable help the bandana one?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Can't wait for the "gee Sega, how come Sakurai lets you have 4 characters" memes to happen if that's the case.

Pac-Man crying in the corner alone.

Couldn't even have his wife as an easy echo.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Would just like to point out that if Sakura wars does get a rep in smash, we'd most likely get Ichiro not Sakura.

 

[Hinata]

You jest but...

Is it truly a jest? Who's to say?

 

[Lady Kuki]

Pac-Man crying in the corner alone.

Couldn't even have his wife as an easy echo.

Apparently Ms. Pacman has weird copyright issues making it difficult for Sakurai to rep her in Smash Bros. Something to do with Midway partially owning her, I think. Don't remember the whole story.

 

[Cosmic77]

While we shouldn't be focusing on recognizability after "fun to play, not just recognizable", shouldn't Waddle Dees being recognizable help the bandana one?

In Japan, most people should know where Waddle Dees come from. Kirby is a merchandise giant over there.

It's not anywhere close to being like that overseas, but yeah, BWD being based off of the most recurring generic Kirby enemy helps a ton.

 

[BZL8]

*Crashes into thread*

Link! Source! NOW!!!!

Hinata was speculating.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Hinata was speculating.

Aw man...Too good to be true...

 

[Guynamednelson]

Apparently Ms. Pacman has weird copyright issues making it difficult for Sakurai to rep her in Smash Bros. Something to do with Midway partially owning her, I think. Don't remember the whole story.

Midway hasn't existed for years. The company that's a problem regarding Ms. Pac-Man is now AtGames.

 

[Garteam]

I fail to see how are Bandana Dee, a secondary character; or Paper Mario, the protagonist of an RPG series that's gotten worse and worse in reception; any more recognizable than the MC of a GOTY nominee (a recent one nonetheless) or an iconic fighting game mascot.

I really like Joker's inclusion and I'm glad he's in the game, but there's no way you'll be able to convince me he's more recognizable than Bandana Dee and Paper Mario.

Persona 5 has sold about 2.7 million copies, which is still very impressive, but is a drop in the bucket compared approximately 10 million copies of the Paper Mario series sold. Likewise, Kirby's Return to Dream Land and Star Allies, the two games where Bandana Dee plays a prominent playable role, have sold about 4 million combined. That's not even factoring in people who may recognize Bandana Dee from a non-playable role or simply recognize him by his species' prominent role as Kirby's main goon.

 

[ChronoBound]

Geno and Dixie Kong are the obvious choices.

I see Geno as the only spirit that will be promoted, maaaaaaaybe Rayman too. No Nintendo characters. If an Assist Trophy gets promoted, it is going to be Waluigi.

Right lol. I already knew the answer: They need more money, but man, it would've been nice to see them take risks every now and then.

As for Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, Akira Howard etc. not being as "hype" as third parties, this just makes me wish Sakurai just added Dixie or Dee as the final first party DLC instead. I know he felt that Piranha Plant would've been more interesting due to no one seeing him coming, but if he wasn't ever going to add anymore first parties after that, you'd think that instead of working on PP he could've just worked on one last iconic first party just to make the first party section feel more... complete. Like, it's especially weird to me that Dixie got overlooked considering she appeared in a lot of DKC games, including a few Mario spinoffs.

I feel the same too, especially towards Dixie Kong. On the Nintendo side of things she really feel like the most conspicuous absence. Its a shame she does not have a loud vocal fanbase, because that is the only way I ever see her making it in.

Here is an essay I wrote explaining Dixie's worth as a game icon.

Spoiler: Long Dixie Kong essay

I long promised an essay in support of Dixie Kong's inclusion in Smash Bros., and I guess this is it (I am sorry if you were expecting something even longer than what you will all are about to read). I will not make much mention of moveset arguments for Dixie Kong, but I think there are plenty of others that can make the argument, and I feel after Piranha Plant, that "moveset potential" is a "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" style argument. There is a great diversity of ways to which Dixie Kong can be approached as a fighter, from a fully unique one to a semi-clone or even an echo (though I think Ken-style is the only one that really fits). I feel for Dixie Kong that passion and belief about what type of fighter she should be is proportional to just how much passion and interest there is in her. If she was on par with the likes of Waluigi and Geno for requests among the Smash Bubble, she would be universally deemed to be only fitting to be a fully unique fighter. However, with her fanbase and requests in the straits that they are in, she mostly is settled for as an echo fighter addition or semi-clone outside of her most passionate supporters. I do have confidence in Sakurai and his team to faithfully implement Dixie and her appeal regardless of what type of fighter she they ultimately do choose for her (assuming she ever does happen as a fighter). Some of my favorite characters in the Smash Bros. series are semi-clones (like Roy), and I think Dark Samus was captured very well as to who she is despite nearly all of her differences being animation based (there is actually some great subtle references to her source material in them). However, this piece is not to argue about what kind of fighter Dixie should or will be, but rather her merits are, and what she means to Smash Bros., Nintendo, and gaming as a whole.

Spoiler: Long Dixie Kong essay

With all that being said, let me explain just why Dixie Kong is not just Nintendo All-Star, but a gaming all-star as a whole.

Dixie Kong is truly something special. She might not ultimately make Ultimate's roster, but she is still one of Nintendo's best and most iconic heroines. At a time where some people complain about there being no female characters as part of the Fighters Pass, its peculiar that much of this crowd continues to ignore the sub-100 pound monkey in the room. Dixie Kong, is not just one of Nintendo's most iconic and legendary heroines, but among gaming as a whole. She became popular and well known even before Lara Croft and Jill Valentine, and moreover she was popular among boys for reasons beyond sex appeal ("WHOA SHE CAN FLY! LOOK AT HOW SHE CAN SHRED ON HER GUITAR!").

Dixie Kong was groundbreaking. As another Dixie fan noted, Samus might have been Nintendo's first prominent heroine, but Dixie was the first major one to wear her femininity on her sleeve. Back in the 90's, you could definitely be in the dark about what Samus's gender was, Dixie however, was definitely a girl, and a girly girl one at that. She liked the color pink, had long flowing hair, long eyelashes, colored toenails, and cried when she got hit. Everything about this character would make you think that she would not go over well with demographics outside of little girls. However, Dixie Kong was a rare breed of a character. She is among the few that has "Mario appeal". She is a character that manages to be popular and appealing across demographics despite her unorthodox design due to just how fun she is to play as and the charm of her character, just like Mario, whose design is of a portly middle aged mustachioed man in overalls with a high-pitched voice, but is among the most loved and iconic character in all of gaming.

Dixie is a character that embraces her femininity without having to rely on sex appeal or "waifuism", and for that she is not only just one of the best heroines in gaming but also among the most interesting. While she may cry when she got hit, or due a female tween-like pout about being thrown in a crib with Kiddy (DKC3's game over screen), she at the same time subverted tropes by managing to be one of the few Kongs (especially playable Kongs) that never got kidnapped by K. Rool, and moreover, she canonically insulted/sassed him to his face. She is not a support character like most other major prominent female Nintendo characters, but a co-protagonists in two of the Top 10 best selling SNES titles (DKC2 and DKC3). As another Dixie fan put it, she is "cute, cool, bad***".

Dixie is a character that goes beyond "girl Diddy". She has a lot of charm and personality. From sipping a drink in the middle of a journey, to lapping up honey while storming a Zinger stronghold, to taking DK's Switch for herself. Dixie is a character that knows how to smell the roses and enjoy the moment, which is why she does not hesitate to enjoy some honey in an environment full of giant bees, hijack DK's Switch from him, or mock K. Rool to his face. Dixie likes having fun just as much as we have fun playing as her. That is part of her endearment. In many ways, she might possibly be the pinnacle of the characters Rare created (and that truly says something), and it is a shame she basically went a nearly 20 year stretch without any sort of prominent role.

Dixie Kong is not just a character that stands out among heroines, but all heroes. She is a character that managed to simultaneously embrace and subvert tropes, and somehow manage to become one of the most endearing characters within not just her franchise, but gaming as a whole.

While most of the Smash Bros. Bubble continues to basically ignore her, they simply do not know the breadth to which Dixie Kong was a trailblazer and the subtle charm to her character. Dixie in many ways is the female Mario. Unlike most heroines, most of her appeal is not due to sex appeal/"waifu factor", but rather because of her gameplay mechanics and personality, much like Mario is not someone you would initially think of as cool or endearing without having a hands on experience with the character.

Dixie Kong is a character that is exemplary of the term Nintendo All-Star in many ways. She is a showcase for the Nintendo brand as a whole. A character, that like Nintendo, has their net cast wide across demographics despite what the industry conventions are to what "appealing" is. If there is one Nintendo character left to ever be added to Smash Bros., I could not think of a finer Nintendo character for the series to close on than Dixie Kong: The Last Nintendo All-Star.

I re-iterate that Ultimate's roster is absolutely fantastic, and I am extremely grateful to Sakurai and his team for everything that they did for Ultimate from finally adding Ridley to the roster (a childhood dream of mine that went on for nearly 20 years), to bringing back every single veteran (another dream I thought was unlikely to ever happen), to bringing in Castlevania (one of my favorite non-Nintendo franchises, and one to which the Smash Bubble seemed to care little for), and recently bringing in Banjo-Kazooie (a character that is outright owned by a console competitor to Nintendo). Sakurai and his team have increasingly broken through each "impossible" bar, and left us in awe of just what we can expect or what we see as "plausible".

Dixie Kong as a character in many ways is someone who seems "on paper" to be the most obvious character that could be added to Smash Bros. She is a popular Nintendo characters that is prominent within her franchise of origin. Of such a basal quality, Dixie has this one in spades. However, after over 20 years of history to the franchise, Dixie is still conspicuously absent from the roster. Moreover, as time goes on. her prospects of ever being added keep becoming lower and lower. Smash now has gone on to become something than just about Nintendo characters. With Smash 4 and especially Ultimate, its about celebrating gaming as a whole.

Dixie is a character in many ways that completes the circle. When I first learned of Smash Bros., I was very (pleasantly) surprised Samus was part of the roster when every other character on the roster had an upcoming game for the Nintendo 64 at the time except her. Samus beat and exceeded the odds of what most would have put on a roster of 12 Nintendo characters back in 1999. However, regardless of the Metroid series having gone into hiatus during those past five years, there was no denying it, Samus and Metroid were still a major part of Nintendo and their brand. Samus and Dixie Kong were both among my favorite gaming heroes during my childhood (and still are). It was Samus's unexpected presence on the Smash Bros. roster that I even got as overwhelmingly hyped for Smash Bros. even months before the game's international release.

Dixie Kong is a character that I believe in my heart does not just fit the descriptor of Nintendo All-Star, but also Gaming All-Star. She might not have launched a franchise, but she is a character that in many way encapsulates just what charm there is to a character in the medium of gaming. She is a character that manages to have a foot both in her criteria to fit what it took to enter Smash Bros. at the beginning of the series and what it means now (importance to gaming as a whole).

However, just like Samus before her, conventionally she does not seem likely at all. Dixie is not a character even Nintendo fans are clamoring for (or rather the "Smash Bubble"). Dixie might very well never be added to Smash Bros.'s roster (Ultimate or any future installment).

However, even if she is never added, she is still an incredible heroine, and Ultimate's roster is still incredible. However, if by some miracle, and it would be an absolutely incredible miracle, Dixie Kong were added as DLC, it would be one of the greatest miracles of Ultimate's roster yet. Dixie, a character that does not meet the criteria of what is expected for DLC newcomers for Ultimate, might somehow, someway, managed to be selected to be DLC. That would be a miracle on par with Ridley being playable, EVERYONE IS HERE!, and Banjo-Kazooie making it in.

I do not know what Sakurai and his team's interpretation of Dixie Kong as a fighter will be (assuming if it ever does happen), but regardless, I have hope that Sakurai will implement her in a way that captures just what is so endearing and charming about Dixie Kong.

Dixie paradoxically is a character that makes the most sense on paper as a Smash Bros. addition, yet is also unlikely to be added in the future even among actual Nintendo characters. It is poetic this unconventional circumstances matches her unconventional appeal.

Sakurai and his team have my gratitude for making Ultimate the way they did (aside from the things I mentioned before, there are even small touches that I am grateful for like giving my favorite F-Zero character Pico, a role in the World of Light) , but like RomanceDawn, I have one more request (and it is the same as his), and that is to the complete the circle. Make Dixie Kong join the fight. Samus, one of Nintendo's AND gaming's biggest and beloved heroines joined the battle at the dawn of the franchise (the very dawn of it, she was even among the four fighters to the demo pitch Sakurai made for the original Smash Bros.). Ultimate in many ways is the apex of the Smash Bros. series. Dixie Kong joining the fight now, while long overdue, would be a moving swansong to what is shaping up to Masahiro Sakurai's magnum opus.

Dixie Kong is a character that epitomizes what Smash Bros. is, then and now. She is important to both Nintendo and gaming.

Dixie is a character that I have been very fond of going back over 20 years ago. My Dixie Kong figurine was one of my favorite toys from my childhood and was consistently near my bedside as I went to sleep every night. Having a physical object to enjoy and play with was something that I wish had extended to Samus, my other favorite gaming hero from childhood. However, I was happy to have just Dixie Kong (and Yoshi) to play with and enjoy, Now 20 years later, I am grateful that Sakurai and his team have added in not just nearly all of my favorite Nintendo characters but also my favorite gaming characters in general. Dixie this time though is the one not part of the toy box.

For many of Dixie's fans and supporters, the love and support for her runs deep. BirthNote, has been courteous enough to chronicle many of these stories into the opening post of this thread. Much like Roy (another character I deeply wanted to see, although to return), much of his appeal was not easily apparent to those who did not experience him, but rather from those who played with him hands-on and thus got appreciate his personality charm and gameplay flair. Dixie is much in the same way, to many people who never or barely played DKC2, DKC3, and Tropical Freeze, Dixie is just "girl Diddy" just like Roy was "fire Marth". However, I think the comparisons are even more unfair because Dixie's differences from Diddy are much readily apparent than Roy and Marth's were.

Thus, even if I were to craft the best prose ever written on the merits of Dixie Kong's value and worth to be a part of Ultimate's roster, it never ever would be enough to grow her fanbase and the passion for her possible inclusion. Words may touch, but actions MOVE. The best way to truly appreciate Dixie is to enjoy her source material. She is one of the two protagonists for both DKC2 and DKC3, with the former regarded as one of the best 2D platformers of all time (and the latter a very underrated game, and I personally believe to be among the best platformers for the SNES even if it is not quite as good as DKC2, it is stronger than the first DKC entry). In Tropical Freeze, she is arguably the most helpful of all the support Kongs and the game itself is argued to be the pinnacle of 2D platformers as well.

I said almost a year ago (back in December), that Dixie Kong was a treasure to the future. She might be the last long running Nintendo character left that is both a main character to their franchise (as in actual main protagonist level) that is still not part of the roster to the Smash Bros. series. Going forward Dixie is a throwback to the possible newcomer pools that Smash Bros. fans who anticipated Melee, Brawl, and Smash 4 had access to. The likes of Wario, Diddy Kong, Ridley, King Dedede, Olimar, Little Mac, Meta Knight, K. Rool, Ganondorf, Zelda, Bowser, Peach, and Bowser Jr. have all been added in now. Dixie Kong (and arguably the Toads) are all that is left from the ages of where characters had to fit "the old criteria" (namely being an integral character to a major Nintendo franchise). In an era where the most wanted characters are retro Nintendo characters, side Nintendo characters, and third-parties, Dixie Kong is a throwback to the very beginning of this legendary game franchise for character requests. She is a character that Smash fans back in 2001 would agree deserves to be in Smash Bros., which is something that I think few other characters left at this point could say (again, aside from Toad), and would be surprised to find out, nearly 20 years later, still did not make it in yet.

Dixie might not have much internet "cool kids" saying she is a great possible addition, or a massive online fanbase, but she is an absolutely legendary character, and I think even if I might not follow a future installment that does end up adding her in down the road, I think that it is something that Nintendo and Smash Bros. fans who were not around for Melee, Brawl, or Smash 4 newcomer support periods should have, an unequivocal Nintendo All-Star to support and champion . Sometimes the shiniest jewel goes unnoticed.

However, my personal hope, my hope beyond hope, is that somehow Sakuai and his team once again make the impossible possible and decide to implement Dixie Kong even though she is not a third-party character or promoting an upcoming Nintendo title. Her addition would not only be unprecedented as DLC newcomers go, but it would fittingly show how Smash Bros. has come full circle. One of its first newcomers being Samus, and if Dixie Kong were added, one of the last, for what is arguably the culmination for the franchise and what it has been building toward. It would be perhaps the last miracle (or one of the last) of Ultimate's many miracles.

I am not going to get my hopes up though. I expect only third-party characters as DLC (Geno still counts as third-party). I have very limited free time, and I think at this point in time, it is a poor usage of my time to write up grandiose and passionate posts about a character whom I can do basically nothing in terms of moving the needle towards their possible inclusion. I have been a fan of Smash Bros. for over 20 years, a member of the online Smash Bros. community for over 18 years, and part of SmashBoards for nearly 13 years (going to be 13 next week). I have gotten nearly everything I ever could have wanted or hoped for in relation to Smash Bros. Ridley being a part of the Smash roster was a childhood dream of mine that I thought was likely never going to be realized after Sakurai's own statements on him back in November 2014. Not just Ridley, but so many other things with Ultimate. I have won the lottery multiple times with this title, and yet I still am asking for more. As I said before, I have been spoiled rotten, and I think the best way I can show gratitude moving forward is through moving on.

If there is any profound news in relation to Dixie's prospects made in the future I will comment on it, but I think what I have said here will be my final profound word in relation to Dixie unless in the event of either a confirmation as a newcomer for Ultimate's DLC or when Ultimate's DLC wraps up and Dixie is not one of them (in that case I will give a short essay pep talk to Dixie fans that are disappointed but plan to support her for the next title).

The Dixie fanbase has a lot of fans with diverse talents. From SeashoreWar's talented artwork, to BirthNote's caretaking of the support topic. While many do appreciate my character support prose and introspective and detailed analyses, I cannot keep doing this forever, nor do I want to. While Dixie Kong being in Smash Bros. is something reminiscent of the dreams I had throughout my childhood and young adulthood (Ridley in Smash Bros., and Roy's return in Smash), it is something I have to relinquish to the rest of you. I feel Ultimate is as beautiful a sendoff for a longtime fan of Smash Bros. such as myself could hope for, and gradually over the course of this year I found myself posting less and less with Ultimate's actual release. I feel with this essay, I can finally pass the baton to the next generation.

It is likely going to be a long and arduous journey Dixie fans. How long that journey ultimately is, or whether it even leads to the destination you are all hoping for (Dixie being a part of the roster for Ultimate or a future installment), only time will tell. I wish you all the best regardless of whether you decide to support Dixie in the months and years ahead, or even if you decide to give up on character support and speculation entirely.

To sum it all up, Dixie Kong is a legendary heroine. She is a character that is only under Samus as far as Nintendo heroines go in terms of legacy and prominence to their own franchise and Nintendo as a whole. She is an exemplary heroine for gaming a whole, a rare heroine whom most of their appeal and charm goes beyond sex appeal or the "waifu factor", and one that also embraces and utilizes her femininity to further enhance her character appeal and endearment. She is a character that has "Mario appeal", able to be appreciated by a diverse array of demographics despite her unconventional design through her personality charm and the fun of her gameplay abilities. This particular resume arguably sets her in a league of her own not just as far as Nintendo characters go, but gaming ones as a whole as well.

Whether Dixie is ever eventually added in or not, Dixie Kong is a Nintendo All-Star. She may be underappreciated, and many not actually know or understand just why she is such an endearing character and worthy addition, but in our hearts she is truly special and the ultimate heroine.

Dixie Kong might very well be The Last Nintendo All-Star, and you know what they say about saving the best for last...

DIXIE KONG FOR SMASH BROS.

 

[SneakyLink]

Apparently Ms. Pacman has weird copyright issues making it difficult for Sakurai to rep her in Smash Bros. Something to do with Midway partially owning her, I think. Don't remember the whole story.

First off, Ms. Pac-Man is in Smash as a background cameo though an easily removable one.

As for the legal issues, back in September, ATGames bought the rights to Ms. Pac Man, and Namco is currently in legal red tape with her.

 

[Icedragonadam]

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Would just like to point out that if Sakura wars does get a rep in smash, we'd most likely get Ichiro not Sakura.

Doubt it. He may be the main controllable character for most of the games, but Sakura is easily the most recognizable character from the series, the game's name was based on her.

 

[?????????????]

Doubt it. He may be the main controllable character for most of the games, but Sakura is easily the most recognizable character from the series, the game's name was based on her.

Don’t know much about this series, but is this like a Link/Zelda thing?

 

[Nemuresu]

Most of the people who know Joker and Terry probably don't qualify as "casual gamers". I'd be very surprised if you could walk into a random store, show people pictures of Joker and Terry, and have them correctly guess their name and/or franchise.

I don't expect much luck with the first-parties either, but I definitely know Paper Mario would do decent. I think a few people would at least be able to guess what franchise BWD and Dixie come from.

If you're gonna use that as an excuse, then Bandana Dee isn't recognizable either again, for being a secondary character, same with Dixie Kong; and I'm pretty sure if I showed someone a picture of Paper Mario, they'd be able to tell he's Mario, but not from which game or why the looks.

Also, Persona 5 wasn't too long ago, it won different prizes and a re-release is on its way, and KOF is well known in fighting game communities and different countries outside of USA. So no, I'm pretty sure people could tell the games if I showed the characters to them.

 

[Dukemon102]

Friendly reminder to people calling again 1st party characters "4th filler slot" or "not popular with casuals". Even if they have been in Nintendo games that have sold millions of units and that users of Nintendo consoles play (Which mind you, you have to be one to play Smash).

 

[P.Kat]

So originally with Sakura yesterday I was kinda spitballing.... Then I realized something interesting...

Shin Sakura Wars comes out the literal night of the Game Awards in Japan.

Exactly that's why I think she could our 5th fighter.

 

[BZL8]

So originally with Sakura yesterday I was kinda spitballing.... Then I realized something interesting...

Shin Sakura Wars comes out the literal night of the Game Awards in Japan.

If Sakura arrives, so must he.

 

[?????????????]

I’m pretty certain that if you boot up any Kirby game these days, you’ll meet some kind of Waddle Dee.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

So if we are to belive that rumor that there's two post pass characters that are already spirits but not Assist Trophies, who do you think they could be?

Geno and Dixie Kong are the obvious choices.

Jill Valentine and Leon Kennedy. Source: me trying to cope by being in denial that RE is totally disconfirmed

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Don’t know much about this series, but is this like a Link/Zelda thing?

In Nintendo terms... More like a FE thing... kinda...

 

[NintenZ]

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Would just like to point out that if Sakura wars does get a rep in smash, we'd most likely get this Ichiro not Sakura.

I knew this argument would crop up eventually but I’m gonna address the Ichiro vs Sakura argument.

Ichiro may be the protagonist of the first four games yes, but notice that usually In crossovers the one who always is front and center is Sakura and sometimes Erica and Gemini?

It’s Sakura who’s always the focus and not Ichiro, which is why I think it’s be the same way in Smash.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Doubt it. He may be the main controllable character for most of the games, but Sakura is easily the most recognizable character from the series, the game's name was based on her.

It would be weird though, since he's the MC of the first 4 games.

 

[Nemuresu]

I’m pretty certain that if you boot up any Kirby game these days, you’ll meet some kind of Waddle Dee.

Using that logic, Goomba and Koopa are more recognizable than anything people ask for Smash.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Don’t know much about this series, but is this like a Link/Zelda thing?

Not exactly. With the Zelda series, Link is the most recognizable character of the series despite being named for the princess. But with Sakura Wars's Ichiro and Sakura, it's the other way around.

 

[Cosmic77]

Another reason why I hope we get some first-parties is because I think it'll be a while before the next Smash game, so a ton of games will come out between that time. Characters from games like Three Houses or Sword and Shield only have a small window of time before they get replaced with something new, so it's now or never for them.

Astral Chain should be fine though since it doesn't have a character on the roster yet.

 

[KillerCage]

Any news?
I don't know what is going on right now.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

For Bandana Waddle Dee, I say give us Pyramid Head. Make his neutral summon a second Pyramid Head with a spear.
When Kirby has him copied, Bandana Waddle Dee appears. Bam. >_>

 

[Garteam]

Using that logic, Goomba and Koopa are more recognizable than anything people ask for Smash.

Honestly, yes, Goomba and Koopa are honestly more recognizable than most characters requested for Smash Bros. Appearing as the main enemies in gaming's biggest franchise will make you recognizable.

Sakurai even made this point when discussing Piranha Plant's inclusion. Even though he's an odd choice, he's still more recognizable than most of the roster simply because he's a Mario character.

 

[NintenZ]

Don’t know much about this series, but is this like a Link/Zelda thing?

Kinda, Ichiro is the character you control for most of the game, but unlike Zelda a lot of the focus is on Sakura and not on Ichiro like Link, in fact she’s even the sole main character of the anime and movie so in a lot of ways she has the edge over him.

 

[ES. Dinah]

So KOS-MOS has met Lucina, Chrom, Ken, Ryu, and Megaman X and Fiora in project x zone who are all present in smash in some way. Sakurai could very easily take references such as this if KOS-MOS gets in to put in her trailer

Put KOS-MOS in #SmashBrosUltimate#KOSMOSForSmash #SmashBros #スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/5Q2JwK4awq

— KOS-MOS for Smash (@KOSMOSforSmash) November 28, 2019

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I do wonder if Sakurai went for Pac-Land as it was the only Legal way he could get Ms. Pac-Man in the game.

 

[Cosmic77]

Using that logic, Goomba and Koopa are more recognizable than anything people ask for Smash.

I mean, they kinda are. I think more people know what a Goomba is than who Bayo, Simon, or Terry are.

Doesn't mean they'll get in Smash, but still.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

In Nintendo terms... More like a FE thing... kinda...

I only played the Wii one and the closest I can think of to compare it too is three houses, with the strategy missions and a base to return to in between where you social links with the other party members.

I do wonder if Sakurai went for Pac-Land as it was the only Legal way he could get Ms. Pac-Man in the game.

That would explain a lot.

 

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Using that logic, Goomba and Koopa are more recognizable than anything people ask for Smash.

Um...yeah. That’s factual.

Not that it’s “requested.”

 

[TheCJBrine]

I think a playable Goomba would be cool and fun in Smash.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Midway hasn't existed for years. The company that's a problem regarding Ms. Pac-Man is now AtGames.

Speaking purely from experience of other crap Atgames has pulled, I hope they get taken to the cleaners.