Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Dukemon102]

*facepalms over people jumping to conclusions again*

When will you guys learn honestly...

You need to stop judging things based on narrow-minded cultural assumptions.

 

[GoodGrief741]

That's literally what people said about third parties being in Smash. Smash was originally a Nintendo All-Stars crossover, then it naturally evolved into a gaming All-Stars crossover. Smash at it's core is a player friendly game that has players knocking others out of the screen, that is what Smash is ever since it's original prototype inception when it was called Dragon King. If non-gaming characters join the roster then Smash will still be Smash.

Nah man at that point you're just doing MUGEN.

 

[7NATOR]

Even so, it will lead to the philosophy that anything can get into Smash, and honestly, people will now wonder, "Smash is a celebration of everything pop culture". Nintendo is strict on making this a gaming crossover.

I guess that's a fair point. It might lead down a road which we may not return. in either case, Decades down the road we could see a change in Mindset for Smash

Also honestly I'd be down for official Mugen

 

[AceAttorney9000]

You need to stop judging things based on narrow-minded cultural assumptions.

Yeah, we all know who the real Ace Attorney character in Smash will be...

 

[Wunderwaft]

Nah man at that point you're just doing MUGEN.

I'm just keeping an open mind about this because I feel like Smash 6 might take a drastic step like this, especially if Sakurai retires and a director with a new vision takes over.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

It feels weird to see so many people smitten with Capcom as a whole when there seems to be so little of that for other companies.

Where's all the SNK, Bandai-Namco, Square-Enix, SEGA, and Pachislot enthusiasm? :-(

 

[Deleted member]

BlackInk is convinced KOSMOS is 100% happening and nobody can convince him they may be wrong, ignore them

Oh I’m guessing it’s from the cat leak his giving her a 100% isn’t it? But man when it gets to the 12th...there will be regrets believing it in here

 

[OrpheusTelos]

I'm just gonna say that the only non video game character that I unironically really want in Smash is Tony Hawk. I dunno, I just think a character that uses skateboarding tricks as attacks would be really fun and we don't really have any other iconic skateboarding characters in gaming. Plus I have a lot of fond memories with the Pro Skater games so I might be biased there. I know it won't and probably should not happen, but if I was allowed only one non-video game character I'm going straight for skamtebord.

 

[Dukemon102]

Yeah, we all know who the real Ace Attorney character in Smash will be...

But ladders are already in Smash

 

[Eldrake]

It feels weird to see so many people smitten with Capcom as a whole when there seems to be so little of that for other companies.

Where's all the SNK, Bandai-Namco, Square-Enix, SEGA, and Pachislot enthusiasm? :-(

To be fair, Capcom is a treasure hoard of video game IPs.

 

[Hinata]

But ladders are already in Smash

Excuse you, that's a step ladder.

 

[BlackInk]

BlackInk is convinced KOSMOS is 100% happening and nobody can convince him they may be wrong, ignore them

So instead of talking like adults and trying to understand each other’s sources or reasons, let’s ignore it.
One big thing about this board is that it’s so focused on the idea of “convincing people” as if it’ll do something indirectly to the game. Does anyone really understand how debates go? It’s rare as **** for either party to change their minds. The reason why I think it’s Kosmos is because the whole situation, leaks, and weird behavior seems to lean into her favor. You can argue against that, but don’t ever ***** about “I can’t change his mind, so everything is pointless!” The stuff about Namco’s lacking mii costumes, how Nintendo handles dlc, Sakurai’s views on fighters, color theory, etc. are factors to consider. Dismissing suspicious behavior or the people in control doesn’t make them vanish.

 

[Lamperouge]

I'm just gonna say that the only non video game character that I unironically really want in Smash is Tony Hawk. I dunno, I just think a character that uses skateboarding tricks as attacks would be really fun and we don't really have any other iconic skateboarding characters in gaming. Plus I have a lot of fond memories with the Pro Skater games so I might be biased there. I know it won't and probably should not happen, but if I was allowed only one non-video game character I'm going straight for skamtebord.

Boy, do I have good news for you:

 

[TheCJBrine]

I don’t think non-videogame characters will happen, but I unironically want SpongeBob and Popeye, and the latter was almost Mr. Nintendo before it turned out they couldn’t have the rights and we got Mario.

I don’t think there’s any problem with people wanting non-videogame characters, even if it clearly isn’t going to happen.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Boy, do I have good news for you:

Even better news: he comes with his own Echo Fighter!

 

[TwiceEXE]

Leaks are fun but now that we are under 2 weeks away, I'd rather the fighter remain a total surprise.

 

[SvartWolf]

Even better news: he comes with his own Echo Fighter!

I though was well established that shrek was teh only natural tony hawk echo posible.

 

[Will]

All wrong!

**** i gotta go back to school now

thanks ben holt im truly enlightened

 

[P.Kat]

Phoenix hands down has the best shot out of any Capcom character, especially in the fighter pass considering Dante got deconfirmed, he has virtually no competition

Amaterasu: "Am I a joke to you?"

 

[Dukemon102]

Excuse you, that's a step ladder.

What's the difference?

 

[Flyboy]

After FP5's reveal, it suddenly cuts to a new trailer. Then it all leads up to the reveal of the first Capcom character, showing them side by side with Mega Man and Ryu facing against Mario, Link and Kirby in a MvC style match-up, with 4 unknown shadowed characters behind the former 3, then revealing that the Capcom character is coming with 4 other Capcom characters with the new "Fighter's Pack" titled "Smash Bros vs Capcom Pack".

No joke, I would lose my mind. That's a genuine dream for me. I've been a Capcom fan since middle school. And the crazy part is, even with five slots you would still have characters to add.

In this hypothetical situation I'd go with Phoenix Wright, Chun-Li, Amaterasu, Dante, and Viewtiful Joe. If Phoenix is fighter 5 I'd have Dante revealed first and add Jill to that list. And even then there's characters like Strider, Mike Haggar, Morrigan, M. Bison, Monster Hunter, Tron Bonne, and more that I'd love to see.

Amaterasu: "Am I a joke to you?"

Uh I mean, comparitively speaking, yes.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Even better news: he comes with his own Echo Fighter!

Yes, I always knew Tom Hanks would be the perfect echo fighter for Tony. I hope they come with no less than 50 licensed ska tracks or I'm calling Sakurai bias.

 

[Will]

Amaterasu: "Am I a joke to you?"

Compared to Phoenix Wright?

Yes. A total joke.

 

[Douglas J. Walker 94]

So instead of talking like adults and trying to understand each other’s sources or reasons, let’s ignore it.
One big thing about this board is that it’s so focused on the idea of “convincing people” as if it’ll do something indirectly to the game. Does anyone really understand how debates go? It’s rare as **** for either party to change their minds. The reason why I think it’s Kosmos is because the whole situation, leaks, and weird behavior seems to lean into her favor. You can argue against that, but don’t ever ***** about “I can’t change his mind, so everything is pointless!” The stuff about Namco’s lacking mii costumes, how Nintendo handles dlc, Sakurai’s views on fighters, color theory, etc. are factors to consider. Dismissing suspicious behavior or the people in control doesn’t make them vanish.

Unless Vergeben, Sabi, Or V.R Plant Laker (Papageno's talked about him in some of his leak videos) actually comes out and says Kos-Mos is coming to the game. I don't beleive that Inkleak for a 2nd (Those three I just described are the only leakers I trust).

Also. This might just me. But considering the fact that Xenosaga And Xenoblade take place in the same universe and the fact that Reggie specifically said that the Smash Ultimate newcomers said were going to be new to the series.

As in. The fighter will be from series that aren't represented in Smash yet (I forget how he phrased his statment).

And the fact that Xenosaga doesn't have any new games coming out soon (With only one exception, all the DLC newcomers for Ultimate were thrown in to promote new games).

Kos-Mos seems highly unlikely at this point. Feel free to be at my throat and yell at me for saying this. But I'm only giving my honest opinion on where I stand on Kos-Mos getting Smash Ultimate (I also have a bad feeling they would just make her a Shulk clone with they threw her into Smash Ultimate since she uses a giant lightsaber as well)

 

[GKMLTTSB]

To be fair, Capcom is a treasure hoard of video game IPs.

True, but SEGA is just as strong (if not stronger), and Bandai-Namco is honestly pretty damned close (if not there).
Konami has a bit less on their side, but with Hudson's properties, they have enough to stand out too.

And for SE... they're huge. You have all their classic properties (FFs, Crono, Mana, Star Ocean, etc.), then the acquired properties (Thief, Tomb Raider, Gex, Legacy of Kain, Just Cause, etc.)

For SNK, I can kind of get not having as huge a following since they've largely faded from the public eye (and their most notable feat being the MVS hardware itself also contributes), so seeing less fixation there makes sense, I suppose (though they do still have a good catalogue).

It just always feels weird to suddenly see an influx of "**** yeah! Nintendo vs. Capcom!" hype. >_>

 

[Hinata]

What's the difference?

You've insulted me and my beliefs for the last time!

 

[Wigglerman]

True, but SEGA is just as strong (if not stronger), and Bandai-Namco is honestly pretty damned close (if not there).
Konami has a bit less on their side, but with Hudson's properties, they have enough to stand out too.

For SNK, I can kind of get not having as huge a following since they've largely faded from the public eye (and their most notable feat being the MVS hardware itself also contributes), so seeing less fixation there makes sense, I suppose (though they do still have a good catalogue).

It just always feels weird to suddenly see an influx of "**** yeah! Nintendo vs. Capcom!" hype. >_>

Kings of Crossover fighters uniting is a pretty hype concept. Smash started as a self universe crossover and now is bridging many gaps to include so many other franchises outside of their own. Capcom pioneered the crossover concept ages ago. It would be a pretty rad amalgamation with both Nintendo and Capcom having so many interesting options if they got to split the roster 50/50 amongst themselves.

 

[Flyboy]

On the subject of fourth parties, there's a reason I have Scrooge McDuck in my signature. He's not happening, but he's a pure pipe dream because man I love the DuckTales games. Just getting the Moon theme would be great.

I understand why people wouldn't want them in. That's fine. But Tony Hawk, James Bond, or Scrooge McDuck would be crazy fun for me. I'd lose it. Also the small conversation we had about Luffy had me smiling but he's not seriously on my very short list.

 

[StellerRJay]

I would absolutely love having Amaterasu in Smash. She was one of my mains in UMvC3 and was definitely a ton of fun with all of her unique abilities~

 

[GoodGrief741]

True, but SEGA is just as strong (if not stronger), and Bandai-Namco is honestly pretty damned close (if not there).
Konami has a bit less on their side, but with Hudson's properties, they have enough to stand out too.

For SNK, I can kind of get not having as huge a following since they've largely faded from the public eye (and their most notable feat being the MVS hardware itself also contributes), so seeing less fixation there makes sense, I suppose (though they do still have a good catalogue).

It just always feels weird to suddenly see an influx of "**** yeah! Nintendo vs. Capcom!" hype. >_>

None of those companies are even close to the amount and quality of IP that Capcom had though. Sega has a fair share, but they mostly died out in the collective memory after they stopped making consoles and their creation of new ones after that also toned down.

Capcom, meanwhile, has a huge history of throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Even so, it will lead to the philosophy that anything can get into Smash, and honestly, people will now wonder, "Smash is a celebration of everything pop culture". Nintendo is strict on making this a gaming crossover.

Love me a good old slippery slope fallacy.

If (big if) a non-video game character with impact on the gaming industry were to get in, I'm sure that it wouldn't impact the chances of Ronald McDonald getting in.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

Ok so, what's the list for deconfirming characters for Fighter 5 spot?

 

[P.Kat]

I would absolutely love having Amaterasu in Smash. She was one of my mains in UMvC3 and was definitely a ton of fun with all of her unique abilities~ View attachment 249007

If they do put her in, I really hope Sakurai puts in her ability to swap between her weapons mid battle, but if he doesn't it definitely isn't a deal breaker.

 

[Deleted member]

Ok so, what's the list for deconfirming characters for Fighter 5 spot?

None as of the moment. But there won't be probably since we're inching closer to the Game Awards.

 

[PSIGuy]

Also. This might just me. But considering the fact that Xenosaga And Xenoblade take place in the same universe

they don’t. there’s a stronger case to be made that the DK and BK games (via Diddy Kong Racing and later references) take place in the same universe than there is Saga/Blade (go to DKVine, they’ll redpill you on how all Rare games are connected). saga is not the same as blade at all. they are completely different types of games with different histories and a tiny handful of shared elements and references

I think Kosmos’s chances are overrated but she’s not a Xenoblade character.

 

[RouffWestie]

Compared to Phoenix Wright?

Yes. A total joke.

A week later: Nintendo announces Ace Attorney Spirit Event for Smash Ultimate!

 

[Seanapotamus]

Ok so, what's the list for deconfirming characters for Fighter 5 spot?

The list is: Crash, Tracer, Ryu Hayabusa, Doomguy, Geno, Scorpion, Gordon Freeman, Dante, and Lloyd. Characters from Nippon Ichi Software, Falcom, and Ubisoft were also deconfirmed.

 

[Will]

A week later: Nintendo announces Ace Attorney Spirit Event for Smash Ultimate!

I'm on Porky team chief, you'll never see it coming.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Love me a good old slippery slope fallacy.

If (big if) a non-video game character with impact on the gaming industry were to get in, I'm sure that it wouldn't impact the chances of Ronald McDonald getting in.

Why wouldn't they though? I mean, if you put in Mickey Mouse, what's the justification behind not putting in Goku? Or Spider-Man?

 

[SKX31]

I though was well established that shrek was teh only natural tony hawk echo posible.

Nah, Shrek would obviously have most of the moveset from his Mastahpiece of a fighting game. Including iconic Shrek stuff, such as Air Dashes, Air Fast Fall Shielding and Crumpet Dashing.