Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

Just you wait until Sabi or Verge confirm that a Capcom character is FP5.

Then you'll all see.

Haggar time, baby!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Haggar time, baby!

But we already have Zangief in the game.

 

[Hexodus]

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Sabi's done killing for now.

Honestly, I was kind of getting some sick pleasure out of watching beloved characters and series get deconfirmed left and right. Guess we have to rely on just Vergeben (and Nintendo if they pull a RE again) for that now. Yanno, unless Verge also decides it's time to stop.

 

[Leotsune]

So it comes down to Wright and KOS-MOS?
Either way, its a win for me!
but gog, i really want Ace Attorney representation in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

No it’s not

Its a text leak, its neither dead or alive until its confirmed or debunked.

 

[Plank08]

Updated FP #5 deconfirmation list:

• Crash
• Tracer
• Hayabusa
• Doomguy
• Geno
• Scorpion
• Gordon Freeman
• Dante
• Nippon Ichi rep
• Resident Evil rep
• Falcom rep
• Ubisoft rep
• Lloyd (the first Bandai-Namco victim)

I feel like this list is going to be even longer than it already is.

Also sora, and any company that’s been in the fighters pass like Sega, Square Enix, Microsoft, and SNK

 

[perfectchaos83]

With all that's happened the past few weeks, I'm actually going to say what I'm honestly feeling for FP5. IMO, it's Reimu or KOS-MOS.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So let's see who could be left...

Phoenix Wright is still in the running, even after a fake leak
Katalina from Granblue Fantasy was a rumor that never quiet came home to roost
Doomguy isn't in there but Bethesda's other properties could such as Fallout or Elder Scrolls
Square could possibly get a second fighter but I don't see it as likley. Sora however has his copyright under the banner of the Mouse
Namco still has those unreleased Mii costumes so I'm thinking a BN character can still be possible. Feeling KOS_MOS the most of them
Minecraft content was apparently in the works for Smash U at least at one point.
Professor Layton is still a Nintendo character in the mind of the public
As is Cooking Mama

Any I missed?

 

[frozolloyd]

So Lloyd is out for FP 5, huh. Dang that hurts. Hopefully he was considered for post pass. From what I have seen from the comments above, a surprising amount of people are sleeping on a Dark Souls rep or Nightmare from Soul Caliber. Those two characters have just as much of a chance for the spot as Kos Mos honestly.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I highly doubt Heihachi, mostly because we've just had Terry. Say what you will about the JPRG duo opening the Pass, Joker and Hero have very little in common outside the genre of their origin game, but Heihachi is bound to be a close-range fighter with an emphasis on combos (even if Tekken combos are very different), which gameplay-wise is very similar to Terry.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

Updated FP #5 deconfirmation list:

• Crash
• Tracer
• Hayabusa
• Doomguy
• Geno
• Scorpion
• Gordon Freeman
• Dante
• Nippon Ichi rep
• Resident Evil rep
• Falcom rep
• Ubisoft rep
• Lloyd (the first Bandai-Namco victim)

I feel like this list is going to be even longer than it already is.

Sabi:

 

[Hexodus]

Also sora, and any company that’s been in the fighters pass like Sega, Square Enix, Microsoft, and SNK

Source for the Sora deconfirm? I support him, but if he's not getting in I'd like to know now instead of two weeks from now.

 

[Calamitas]

So let's see who could be left...

Phoenix Wright is still in the running, even after a fake leak
Katalina from Granblue Fantasy was a rumor that never quiet came home to roost
Doomguy isn't in there but Bethesda's other properties could such as Fallout or Elder Scrolls
Square could possibly get a second fighter but I don't see it as likley. Sora however has his copyright under the banner of the Mouse
Namco still has those unreleased Mii costumes so I'm thinking a BN character can still be possible. Feeling KOS_MOS the most of them
Minecraft content was apparently in the works for Smash U at least at one point.

Any I missed?

First-party characters.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

I’m not surprised that Lloyd isn’t Fighter 5 and I’m also not surprised that Sabi said he likely for post-pass, he always seemed better fitted to be a Post pass character anyway! Even when people started to throw his name around, it didn't sounded right, that he would be the last character.

Whoever this character has to go one or two ways: this is a big character, and if leakers do know who it is just aren't comfortable with saying a name, and waiting for the reveal. or this is an out there character that no one would've guessed that even the most reliable leakers wouldn't be believed.

Both my heart and mind it's the former than it is the latter.

 

[Deleted member]

Updated FP #5 deconfirmation list:

• Crash
• Tracer
• Hayabusa
• Doomguy
• Geno
• Scorpion
• Gordon Freeman
• Dante
• Nippon Ichi rep
• Resident Evil rep
• Falcom rep
• Ubisoft rep
• Lloyd (the first Bandai-Namco victim)

I feel like this list is going to be even longer than it already is.

It's amazing how this list really doesn't narrow down who FP 5 is.

 

[Megadoomer]

I doubt Heihachi purely on the fact that his Japanese voice actor passed away last year. They retired the character in Tekken because of it and I can see it being a similar case with Smash unless they want to re-use old voice clips.

He was included in a King of Fighters mobile game as part of a Tekken crossover, so Namco-Bandai seems to have no problem with reusing voice clips, at the very least.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

First-party characters.

Fully possible, though I wonder if they'll do another Fire Emblem character.

The memes will be relentless...

 

[ES. Dinah]

Acknowledging a company != hinting the next fighter.

I feel like KOS-MOS is in a similar spot as characters like Amaterasu; She has her merits but there's now way she's getting in over industry juggernauts/characters that are on people's radars beyond the core Smash fanbase.

Industry juggernauts like Terry right?

 

[GoodGrief741]

Industry juggernauts like Terry right?

Compared to Xenosaga? Yeah.

 

[ES. Dinah]

Compared to Xenosaga? Yeah.

KOS-MOS was front and center for the Monolith Soft 20th anniversary this year. I think it is time people start acknowledging that she isn't just Xenosaga. She's the face of Xeno and Namco's crossover queen.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Whoever this character has to go one or two ways: this is a big character, and if leakers do know who it is just aren't comfortable with saying a name, and waiting for the reveal. or this is an out there character that no one would've guessed that even the most reliable leakers wouldn't be believed.

You're likely looking at the latter, honestly. The fact that they are tight lipped likely means it's a character that absolutely very few people know about. Implying that it's a small team or company that control the character.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

I'll just bring up my posts earlier.
Sleeping on KOS-MOS is ridiculous at this point.
She's not guaranteed by any means, but please at least show some tiny bit of respects to niche characters.

Seeing KOS-MOS just as a Bandai Namco rep is only seeing one side of things.
KOS-MOS is important to Monolith Soft and the company is now with Nintendo. They managed to make Nintendo brand modern JRPG which Iwata always wanted and were involved with Nintendo's recent big titles too like Splatoon, BotW, and of course Smash Ultimate. Monolith is important to Nintendo.
Yes, KOS-MOS's right belongs to Bandai Namco and she is not that important character compared to Heihachi or Agumon. But Bandai Namco is not the one deciding the DLC lineup. It's Nintendo. I can totally understand the timeline they go with KOS-MOS instead of other Bamco titans.
Is choosing KOS-MOS over Heihachi a disgrace to Bamco? I don't think so. Business is a business. They still get money. Bandai Namco still gets a slot.
Banjo over Master Chief didn't make MS mad. I'm sure people here gone crazy if Geno was chosen over Hero despite that's an underdog win objectively speaking. And I don't think that made SE salty.
DLC so far has similarities. Joker, he is not a Nintendo boy by any means but SMT has close tie with Nintendo. Hero, the early days of DQ were always with Nintendo. Banjo, even Nintendo said welcome back to them. Terry, he doesn't really has close relation with Nintendo but SNK games had huge influence to Smash itself.
They are coming from out of nowhere at a glance, but they are all somehow related to Nintendo or Smash beneath the surface. I think KOS-MOS fits into this category as well. I wcouldn't say she's likely, but I wouldn't totally count her out.

I just don't understand why people keep forcing themselves so hard to try forgetting this.
Fans are important but they already have purchased switch and smash so are not the main target audience anymore.
YouTube reactions don't bring money directly to Nintendo you know.


https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2019/190208e.pdf

Q13:
I'd like to hear about the future of your big hit titles released during October to December last year. The initial response was extremely strong, but will that be met with a drop in sales momentum? Or will the strength of that initial momentum on release help download sales and purchases based on word-of-mouth to grow, resulting in a net positive effect on future sales?

A13:
Satoru Shibata (Director, Senior Executive Officer): We feel very fortunate that the initial sales pace for Super Mario Party, Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu!/Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee!,and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has been so strong. However, that doesn't exactly mean we're satisfied. Before their release, we challenged ourselves to see how we could expand our consumer base with each of these titles. For Super Mario Party, the question was “How could we reach people other than children and parents?” With Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu!/Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee!, we asked “How could we reach people who had played Pokémon GO, for example, but never played Nintendo Switch?” With Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, we asked “How could we reach not only fans of the Super SmashBros. series, but also those who had never played it before?” If you look at the demographics of the consumers who purchased each of these titles, Iʼm not convinced weʼve completely overcome these challenges yet. So our aims are to keep working on them this year, to expand sales of these titles to new consumer demographics, and to keep selling these games for a long time, which is one of our strengths.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Its a text leak, its neither dead or alive until its confirmed or debunked.

So what you're saying is the cat leak belongs to Schrodinger?

KOS-MOS was front and center for the Monolith Soft 20th anniversary this year. I think it is time people start acknowledging that she isn't just Xenosaga. She's the face of Xeno and Namco's crossover queen.

Shulk is the face of Xeno. And the only Namco crossover that even reached my radar is Project X Zone.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Source for the Sora deconfirm? I support him, but if he's not getting in I'd like to know now instead of two weeks from now.

I think he's just basing this off one of the people who works on the KH games said "No but it would be awesome if he was."

 

[AceAttorney9000]

He was included in a King of Fighters mobile game as part of a Tekken crossover, so Namco-Bandai seems to have no problem with reusing voice clips, at the very least.

Not only that, but there's also the possibility of recasting Heihachi with a different voice actor, like Banjō Ginga (his voice actor from the first Tekken game) or someone completely new (the first suggestion that comes to my mind being Norio Wakamoto).

 

[Deleted member]

Its a text leak, its neither dead or alive until its confirmed or debunked.

I’m gonna try talking to sabi about it if he can hear me

 

[Nekoo]

>Sora survived the Killing spree even though he's one of the most popular characters
>But it's because no one think he's possible, so there no need to asks for a deconfirm
>Or actually it's because the Source can't say it's name because there a Mickey Mouse Sith and a Nintendo Yakuza behind them, ready to strike the moment they leak Sora
>But actually it's really nothing



No seriously,

-Crash Bandicoot
-Doom Slayer from Doom
-Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden
-Tracer from Overwatch
-Scorpion from Mortal Kombat
-Dante from Devil May Cry
-Geno from Super Mario RPG
-Any Resident Evil character
-Any character from Ubisoft
-Any character from Falcom
-Any character from Nippon Ichi Software
-Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia


Who the hell it is?

WHO?

ALL AND EVERY SINGLE ONE FRONTRUNNERS GOT SHOT DOWN

Phoenix Time.

 

[Hinata]

Not only that, but there's also the possibility of recasting Heihachi with a different voice actor, like Banjō Ginga (his voice actor from the first Tekken game) or someone completely new (the first suggestion that comes to my mind being Norio Wakamoto).

I've heard recasting a character with a new voice actor after the old one dies is considered disrespectful in Japan.

 

[ES. Dinah]

So what you're saying is the cat leak belongs to Schrodinger?


Shulk is the face of Xeno. And the only Namco crossover that even reached my radar is Project X Zone.

Imagine calling Shulk the face of Xeno. Yikes

 

[perfectchaos83]

Imagine calling Shulk the face of Xeno. Yikes

Especially when Fiora got in PxZ before him.

 

[Lamperouge]

Imagine calling Shulk the face of Xeno. Yikes

That's not entirely untrue thanks to his appearances in Smash.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Imagine calling Shulk the face of Xeno. Yikes

I think it's entirely reasonable to call the most notable character from one of the most recent games when everything before his game is super obscure.

 

[GoodGrief741]

KOS-MOS was front and center for the Monolith Soft 20th anniversary this year. I think it is time people start acknowledging that she isn't just Xenosaga. She's the face of Xeno and Namco's crossover queen.

And Xenosaga, and great as the games were, was also not very successful commercially and fell into obscurity. As much as Namco might like to put her in crossovers, KOS-MOS has zero claim to fame as a gaming icon. It's not Namco or Monolith Soft who's picking characters, it's Nintendo (who's looking for series and characters that are bound to do good business-wise) and Sakurai (who wants to make Smash a pantheon of the games that made history).

If it was Namco making the videogame crossover, you wouldn't be betting on Captain Falcon to get in.

 

[ES. Dinah]

I think it's entirely reasonable to call the most notable character from one of the most recent games when everything before his game is super obscure.

No it just shows how poor researched you are on the Xeno franchise. I'm sorry but Shulk got in smash because of promotion for Xenoblade. If KOS-MOS was on a main console Nintendo game I guarantee you she would have been in a long time ago. Your point is moot.

 

[Seanapotamus]

Also sora, and any company that’s been in the fighters pass like Sega, Square Enix, Microsoft, and SNK

Pretty sure Sora's owned by Disney iirc

It's amazing how this list really doesn't narrow down who FP 5 is.

Makes me think it might be someone who is off the radar. Lloyd was one of the bigger frontrunners for this spot so his deconfirmation makes things more interesting.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

No it just shows how poor researched you are on the Xeno franchise. I'm sorry but Shulk got in smash because of promotion for Xenoblade. If KOS-MOS was on a main console Nintendo game I guarantee you she would have been in a long time ago. Your point is moot.

But she wasn't. And she isn't.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

>Sora survived the Killing spree even though he's one of the most popular characters
>But it's because no one think he's possible, so there no need to asks for a deconfirm
>Or actually it's because the Source can't say it's name because there a Mickey Mouse Sith and a Nintendo Yakuza behind them, ready to strike the moment they leak Sora
>But actually it's really nothing



No seriously,

-Crash Bandicoot
-Doom Slayer from Doom
-Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden
-Tracer from Overwatch
-Scorpion from Mortal Kombat
-Dante from Devil May Cry
-Geno from Super Mario RPG
-Any Resident Evil character
-Any character from Ubisoft
-Any character from Falcom
-Any character from Nippon Ichi Software
-Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia


Who the hell it is?

WHO?

ALL AND EVERY SINGLE ONE FRONTRUNNERS GOT SHOT DOWN

Phoenix Time.

Well Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton and Cooking Mama are all still in the running. Looks like the DS's fortunes may improve for Smash representation.

 

[cmbsfm]

So I'mma say that the Dragonborn is looking most likely to me at the minute.

At least if we start thinking that and Sabi looks into it it'll leak pretty fast. Bethesda is a watertight as a rowboat with termites these days.

Bethesda is pretty much out of the FP5 race at those point. Sabi said that if the mii costumes are real they have nothing to do with FP5, and Cacodemon would be related to Dragonborn since it’s from a series from the same parent company.

 

[Dark Bagel]

That's a weird way to spell Gatekeeper.

If he gets in, the roster will have bigger things than Galeem to worry about.

"Greetings, Professor! Nothing to re-"

"Wait... YOU'RE NOT PROFESSOR."

 

[Deleted member]

Good morning everyone and...uh...uh...

What...the...hell...happened? Why is everyone mourning?