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cothero

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Jon from Gamexplain has thoughts about speculation. I hope his guess about FP5 is right
This video just reminds us of another possibility: what if an assist trophy end up being fighter #5? That'd blew everyone's mind out of the predictability radar. This Fighters Pass doesn't apply too much on rules (Joker has never being on a Nintendo platform and Banjo is now from a rival company for example), so i think that's pretty much possible.
 

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At this point fighter 5 has to be someone that would bring a massive amount of hype, there's honestly very few characters I can think of who would fit this mold, so I would be genuinely surprised if it isn't any of the characters that immediately come to my mind.

The one recurring aspect is that all the pass characters are from companies that had business with Nintendo within the past few years.
 
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Will say again, base game spirits most likely won't have baring in DLC after the final pass character but post game DLC spirit is probably do as they'd have to have been negotiated after the fact.

Three Houses and Astral Chain are currently waiting in the wings...
 

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Imagine seeing Sakurai apologize for not including a character, adding a bunch of content to make up for it, and then adding that character anyways. While your favorite gets nothing. I'd be so ****ing mad.

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I don’t think there’s any way that Verg or Sabi know post-pass content if they can’t flat out say who Pick 5 is.

The cat leak was absolutely a copycat (heh).

Text leaks and random tweets that spread rumors are almost never legit, and therefore shouldn’t be treated as such. You want to know why people make **** up? It’s because the Smash fan base entertains literally everything.

No problem with talking about it, but 99% of leaks are pure Garbo.
 

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At this point fighter 5 has to be someone that would bring a massive amount of hype, there's honestly very few characters I can think of who would fit this mold, so I would be genuinely surprised if it isn't any of the characters that immediately come to my mind.
Character 5 is whoever they decided they wanted it to be. There's no precedent on them saving a big hype announcement for last (barring maybe Bayonetta). Remember, their goal is to sell Fighters Passes. It makes sense to frontload the announcements with the characters that would drive the most sales, so more people buy it. It doesn't make as much sense to arbitrary save the last character as a big hype getter when 80% of the people who would have bought a Pass probably have by now.

That doesn't mean 5 can't be a massive hype bringer... but it can really be whoever they want it to be.
 
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Imagine having Sakurai apologize for not including your favorite character, getting a bunch of content to make up for it, and then getting that character anyways. I'd be so ****ing mad.
Trust me, I wouldn't be mad in the slightest. Even if by some weird twist of events Rex ends up being fighter #5 I still would've bought the pass not for the Mii Costume but for the DLC, and if it happens to include my most wanted there's no way in hell I'm going to complain.

Though Rex himself is not my most wanted but you get my point.
 

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Trust me, I wouldn't be mad in the slightest. Even if by some weird twist of events Rex ends up being fighter #5 I still would've bought the pass not for the Mii Costume but for the DLC, and if it happens to include my most wanted there's no way in hell I'm going to complain.

Though Rex himself is not my most wanted but you get my point.
By "your favorite" I mean literally anyone else's favorite. I'd sure like an apology for basically no XBX content in the game. Or no Wario Land content in the game. ...Or no SMT content in the game.
 
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This video just reminds us of another possibility: what if an assist trophy end up being fighter #5? That'd blew everyone's mind out of the predictability radar. This Fighters Pass doesn't apply too much on rules (Joker has never being on a Nintendo platform and Banjo is now from a rival company for example), so i think that's pretty much possible.
It'll be sooooo hard to program. To me, it's plausible to rerelease the game with an update that promoted them to playable. At this rate, it's kinda difficult, but give it some time and it will be all good to go. The models are already built into the game anyway, so all they have to do is code a moveset for them.

At this point fighter 5 has to be someone that would bring a massive amount of hype, there's honestly very few characters I can think of who would fit this mold, so I would be genuinely surprised if it isn't any of the characters that immediately come to my mind.

The one recurring aspect is that all the pass characters are from companies that had business with Nintendo within the past few years.
I am a firm believer that things don't always have to start and end with a bang. For all we know, Fighter#5 could be revealed to a smaller audience (in a Direct) than the grander Game Awards like what everyone is hypothesizing. I mean, if you really want to set up the mood for Season 2, you can do this.

Will say again, base game spirits most likely won't have baring in DLC after the final pass character but post game DLC spirit is probably do as they'd have to have been negotiated after the fact.

Three Houses and Astral Chain are currently waiting in the wings...
Barring the Smash 4 Trophy discussion, this is kinda plausible. I mean, they'll just have to make the Smash renders the primary Spirits while keeping the older spirits. I could be wrong, but I could see this happening.

Character 5 is whoever they decided they wanted it to be. There's no precedent on them saving a big hype announcement for last (barring maybe Bayonetta). Remember, their goal is to sell Fighters Passes. It make sense to frontload the announcements with the characters that would drive the most sales, so more people buy it. It doesn't make as much sense to arbitrary save the last character as a big hype getter when 80% of the people who would have bought a Pass probably have by now.

That doesn't mean 5 can't be a massive hype bringer... but it can really be whoever they want it to be.
That's the point.
 

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It'll be sooooo hard to program. To me, it's plausible to rerelease the game with an update that promoted them to playable. At this rate, it's kinda difficult, but give it some time and it will be all good to go. The models are already built into the game anyway, so all they have to do is code a moveset for them.
All they gotta do is disable the assist trophy when the fighter is on stage.
 
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Jon from Gamexplain has thoughts about speculation. I hope his guess about FP5 is right
And then thunder productions comes in the comments and tells everyone spirits deconfirm and move on with their lives

Well he dose it a lot
 
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Imagine having Sakurai apologize for not including your favorite character, getting a bunch of content to make up for it, and then getting that character anyways. I'd be so ****ing mad.
A few pngs, three songs (one of which I don't think is even that great), and a costume for a fighter that I don't enjoy using doesn't satisfy my needs for XC2 content in Smash.

not sure if you were just being sarcastic btw
 

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I think the presence of Assist Trophies in Spirit Battles makes it harder for me to imagine the AT being disabled if a character is on the field.

I'd sooner believe they would just let them overlap.
 
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I think the presence of Assist Trophies in Spirit Battles makes it harder for me to imagine the AT being disabled if a character is on the field.

I'd sooner believe they would just let them overlap.
If anything, they'd just rerelease the entire game with the promoted assist trophies.
 

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It's probably a miracle that no one is getting deconfirmed today. In my place at least. Pretty much everyone is sweating bullets after yesterday's events. Back then, once people get a leak, it'll be tons of advanced celebration. Now, it's more like the countdown to getting your hopes crushed coz honestly, the higher-ups are starting to get really off-putting to say the least.

My guts say that we're getting another fighting game character to "bring balance to the Fighters Pass", as we already have 2 JRPGs, a platformer, and a fighting game rep. I don't usually make theories like this but it's something I'd feel like sharing, if everyone is okay with it.

We're just a matter of time before the Game Awards. Assuming we do get a reveal, I honestly don't think it'll be a "niche character". You're broadcasting your biggest announcement to kick-start Season 2 and you show us said niche character, then everyone's probably rolling eyes. If the Pass will end with a niche character, they probably want to reveal it in a Smash Bros Direct some time before the Game Awards.

I just wish that after all of this, everyone would be at least impressed and welcome the characters with open arms. If anything, it's gonna truly be a great December for the community.
A fighting game character? Then it must be Phoenix Wright. He was in UMVC3, so he's technically a fighting game character. :4pacman:

Joking aside, if it's a fighting game character and it follows the pattern that the four previous DLC characters have followed (a third-party character from a series completely new to Smash), it could probably be either Soulcalibur, Guilty Gear, or Mortal Kombat. If we're gonna ignore the "completely new to Smash" thing, there's also the possibility of a Tekken character.

I think the presence of Assist Trophies in Spirit Battles makes it harder for me to imagine the AT being disabled if a character is on the field.

I'd sooner believe they would just let them overlap.
If they do that, I could see them altering the playable characters' appearances to make them look different from the Assist Trophy character. For example, the Akira Yuki Assist Trophy uses his old, heavily-polygonal model from the first Virtua Fighter, whereas a playable version of Akira could just use his Virtua Fighter 2 appearance with a more modern-looking model.
 
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Jon from Gamexplain has thoughts about speculation. I hope his guess about FP5 is right
Pretty decent explanation but at the same time, it ends up with a hypothetical situation.

We won't know if there are upgrades (AT, Spirits, costumes) until those upgrades are released but if their focus with the post pass characters are the same as this one, stage+music+spirits, I would find it difficult to imagine upgrades if the focus remains the same.

I really don't like much the idea of upgrades due to making DLC seem more like a waitlist which so far hasn't really been the case with the game so far at least during this cycle.
 

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I don’t think there’s any way that Verg or Sabi know post-pass content if they can’t flat out say who Pick 5 is.

The cat leak was absolutely a copycat (heh).

Text leaks and random tweets that spread rumors are almost never legit, and therefore shouldn’t be treated as such. You want to know why people make **** up? It’s because the Smash fan base entertains literally everything.

No problem with talking about it, but 99% of leaks are pure Garbo.
Case in point, some people thought Gothitelle was going to be base roster.

People will hop on any rumor as long as it's an outcome they like. We've all been guilty of it at some point.
 

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As I said before, I think the most plausible way of thinking is that spirits, ATs, and Mii Costumes disconfirm, and it should be considered utterly unexpected if it happens.

Like hey, if it happens once then sure it’s fair game. But until then, all that stuff is programmed in, used for a specific game purpose. If they make you pay for something (Mii Fighter) I also think it’s out of the running...looking at you Tails and Knuckles!

There are plenty of characters that can be added, be unique, and wouldn’t overlap with anything else. That includes Astral Chain and Three Houses. I do have friends whose opinions I take quite seriously, and they disagree with me on spirits as disconfirmations.

Believe me, this week has made me hope that Spirits don’t disconfirm for future picks.

I just think it’s not illogical to think they do. It can be proven wrong, but it’s got to happen first for it to be considered likely imo.
 

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Rex's mii costume is a weird one though considering you can only get it through purchasing the fighter's pass, while all the other ones are available seperately. If they simply wanted to please Xenoblade fans it would've been far more convenient to just offer him individually and not force people to spend $25 to get a consolation costume. Considering not everyone will be eager to immediately spend more money after purchasing a game it's a bit weird to me.

Not sure if it makes Rex more likely at all but it's something that's always bothered me a bit.
It at least gets Nintendo to say “okay, we need a character that appeals to xenoblade 2 fans!”
 
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A fighting game character? Then it must be Phoenix Wright. He was in UMVC3, so he's technically a fighting game character. :4pacman:

Joking aside, if it's a fighting game character and it follows the pattern that the four previous DLC characters have followed (a third-party character from a series completely new to Smash), it could probably be either Soulcalibur, Guilty Gear, or Mortal Kombat. If we're gonna ignore the "completely new to Smash" thing, there's also the possibility of a Tekken character.
I don't know what logic or philosophy to criticize here, but I feel like criticizing that viewpoint. Again, it'a ll my hunch, don't take it seriously.

I could definitely see Tekken being inevitable picks in the end.

There is a lot of talk about female characters, I'm hoping they know that a female character is in fighters pass.
Okay, now this video channel I don't normally watch got my attention. Dear me, if we're actually getting an all-male pass there's gonna be tons of talk around it somehow.,
 

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I really don't like much the idea of upgrades due to making DLC seem more like a waitlist which so far hasn't really been the case with the game so far at least during this cycle.
Eh...to be fair, we were waiting for that second SE rep, and waiting to see if Banjo could be the second Grinch survivor or if they'd go for more mainstream Microsoft games. Hell, back when the Mii costume theory reigned supreme, you could say it felt like a "waitlist" for Capcom and Namco reps.
 
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All right everyone for spirit Upgrades how Linley would you rate these chances?
Geno
Shantae
Rayman
Bwd
Elma
Dixie kong
Medusa
Rex & pyra
Paper mario
Nitten
Black shadow

Rate em
 

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All right everyone for spirit Upgrades how Linley would you rate these chances?
Geno
Shantae
Rayman
Bwd
Elma
Dixie kong
Medusa
Rex & pyra
Paper mario
Nitten
Black shadow

Rate em
I don't really think any have much of a chance except Geno, if I'm honest, and I say this as someone who has Dixie as their most wanted character left.
 

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All right everyone for spirit Upgrades how Linley would you rate these chances?
Geno
Shantae
Rayman
Bwd
Elma
Dixie kong
Medusa
Rex & pyra
Paper mario
Nitten
Black shadow

Rate em
I'll just say Geno and Rex are most likely, followed by Dee and Dixie.
 

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All right everyone for spirit Upgrades how Linley would you rate these chances?
Geno
Shantae
Rayman
Bwd
Elma
Dixie kong
Medusa
Rex & pyra
Paper mario
Nitten
Black shadow

Rate em
Geno - yes.
Shantae - perhaps.
Rayman - perhaps.
Banana Waffle Doo - perhaps.
Elma - perhaps.
Dixie Kong - perhaps.
Medusa - oof.
Rex & Pyra - perhaps.
Paper Mario - oof.
Ninten - perhaps...?
Black Shadow - oof.
 
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All right everyone for spirit Upgrades how Linley would you rate these chances?
Geno
Shantae
Rayman
Bwd
Elma
Dixie kong
Medusa
Rex & pyra
Paper mario
Nitten
Black shadow

Rate em
See my signature for Geno.
But if we get Nintendo characters as DLC, I think Rex and Pyra are most likely, followed by Dixie.
 
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As I said before, I think the most plausible way of thinking is that spirits, ATs, and Mii Costumes disconfirm, and it should be considered utterly unexpected if it happens.

Like hey, if it happens once then sure it’s fair game. But until then, all that stuff is programmed in, used for a specific game purpose. If they make you pay for something (Mii Fighter) I also think it’s out of the running...looking at you Tails and Knuckles!

There are plenty of characters that can be added, be unique, and wouldn’t overlap with anything else. That includes Astral Chain and Three Houses. I do have friends whose opinions I take quite seriously, and they disagree with me on spirits as disconfirmations.

Believe me, this week has made me hope that Spirits don’t disconfirm for future picks.

I just think it’s not illogical to think they do. It can be proven wrong, but it’s got to happen first for it to be considered likely imo.
So what your saying is that you stoped thinking that base spirits might not deconfirm?
 

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All right everyone for spirit Upgrades how Linley would you rate these chances?
Geno
Shantae
Rayman
Bwd
Elma
Dixie kong
Medusa
Rex & pyra
Paper mario
Nitten
Black shadow

Rate em
I want to say Rayman is plausible but I'm just setting myself up for dissappointment for like the 15th time
 
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All right everyone for spirit Upgrades how Linley would you rate these chances?
Geno
Shantae
Rayman
Bwd
Elma
Dixie kong
Medusa
Rex & pyra
Paper mario
Nitten
Black shadow

Rate em
For this Fighters Pass as Fighter 5? None of them are happening. For post-Pass DLC...
  • Very likely...
    • Geno (unique)
    • Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong Echo Fighter)
    • Rex & Pyra (unique)
    • Bandana Waddle Dee (unique)
    • Medusa (Palutena Echo Fighter)
  • Somewhat likely, depending on how much post-Pass DLC we get...
    • Shantae (unique)
    • Rayman (unique)
    • Elma (unique)
    • Paper Mario (unique)
    • Black Shadow (Captain Falcon Echo Fighter)
  • Have no clue because I don't know the character...
    • Nitten
 
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All right everyone for spirit Upgrades how Linley would you rate these chances?
Geno
Shantae
Rayman
Bwd
Elma
Dixie kong
Medusa
Rex & pyra
Paper mario
Nitten
Black shadow

Rate em
I could honestly see Rex, Pyra, and Mythra being playable in the near future. Geno...is most likely there just to make the fans happy. If he gets in, there's gonna be a field day for support.
 

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All right everyone for spirit Upgrades how Linley would you rate these chances?
Geno
Shantae
Rayman
Bwd
Elma
Dixie kong
Medusa
Rex & pyra
Paper mario
Nitten
Black shadow

Rate em
Geno and Rex are the most likely, IMO.

The former because of fan demand and the latter because Sakurai is fond of XC2 and Rex almost made the base roster. I'd definitely love to see Shantae upgraded too, though.
 
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Geno and Rex are the most likely, IMO.

The former because of fan demand and the latter because Sakurai is fond of XC2 and Rex almost made the base roster. I'd definitely love to see Shantae upgraded too, though.
I literally had a dream that Rex would be our free Season 2 starter, much like Piranha Plant.
 

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Case in point, some people thought Gothitelle was going to be base roster.

People will hop on any rumor as long as it's an outcome they like. We've all been guilty of it at some point.
I seem to remember the "the 4th character will be a female character that nobody wants" rumor from 4chan had quite a few people hopping on the rumor, and some people thought the 4th challenger pack character would be Tracer due to Overwatch switch merch showing up on the same day. Then after the SNK leak, some people thought the SNK rep would be either Mai Shiranui (this was before we found out she couldn't appear due to CERO's guidelines), Nakoruru (likely due to rumors of a female character with throwing weapons), or even Fio from Metal Slug (due to a mecha rumor that was likely made by a different anon on 4chan).

As for some people thinking Gothitelle would be on the base roster, I think it was due to a fake leak correctly guessing Richter but incorrectly guessed Gardevior as a fighter and Gothitelle as Gardevoir's echo.
 

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I think the presence of Assist Trophies in Spirit Battles makes it harder for me to imagine the AT being disabled if a character is on the field.

I'd sooner believe they would just let them overlap.
I don't see any world in which an AT gets promoted to a playable character. If they were planning on doing it, they simply wouldn't have made them an AT, right? Just doesn't add up.
 
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