Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

Then I guess it's Sephiroth with One Winged Angel.

Pfft, he comes with Those Chosen By The Planet. One-Winged Angel is long enough to be like three songs.

 

[Izanagi97]

Ok I’ve said this once, and I’ll say it again

It looks like a gun
It works like a gun
It act like a gun
It sounds like a gun
The fact that it’s air soft never comes up in smash
ITS
A
GUUUUUUUUNNNNN

It's not brought up in Smash but it is brought up in Persona 5 in that the guns are basically air soft replicas that function like real guns because of how the Metaverse works. Basically if the thought based residents of the metaverse believe something is real, then it's real. Since they can't tell the difference between a real gun and an air soft replica, they think they are being shot at with real firearms so they behave like real firearms.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It act like a gun

Not true. The bullets don't count as projectiles.

 

[Opossum]

It's not brought up in Smash but it is brought up in Persona 5 in that the guns are basically air soft replicas that function like real guns because of how the Metaverse works. Basically if the thought based residents of the metaverse believe something is real, then it's real. Since they can't tell the difference between a real gun and an air soft replica, they think they are being shot at with real firearms so they behave like real firearms.

Yes, but the ratings board doesn't look at Persona 5 when Joker's in Smash...they only look at Smash. For all intents and purposes, Joker uses a real gun.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

It's not brought up in Smash but it is brought up in Persona 5 in that the guns are basically air soft replicas that function like real guns because of how the Metaverse works. Basically if the thought based residents of the metaverse believe something is real, then it's real. Since they can't tell the difference between a real gun and an air soft replica, they think they are being shot at with real firearms so they behave like real firearms.

Didn’t they use those same air soft replicas in Persona 3 for the evokers? (I.e. it looks like the person is putting a gun to their head to summon their persona)

 

[osby]

Didn’t they use those same air soft replicas in Persona 3 for the evokers? (I.e. it looks like the person is putting a gun to their head to summon their persona)

Not really.

Evokers only resemble guns, they're not exact replicas. They also contain Plumes of Dusk to help summoning.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Not really.

Evokers only resemble guns, they're not exact replicas. They also contain Plumes of Dusk to help summoning.

That makes more sense. I don't know anything about airsoft guns, but I don't think shooting yourself in the head with one at point blank range would be a good idea.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Do I need to start bringing up examples of kids shows using real guns that are explicilty used to kill with, including kid shows with people getting shot by real guns?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Do I need to start bringing up examples of kids shows using real guns that are explicilty used to kill with, including kid shows with people getting shot by real guns?

It's ok in those instances because they sound like lasers.

 

[Plank08]

It's not brought up in Smash but it is brought up in Persona 5 in that the guns are basically air soft replicas that function like real guns because of how the Metaverse works. Basically if the thought based residents of the metaverse believe something is real, then it's real. Since they can't tell the difference between a real gun and an air soft replica, they think they are being shot at with real firearms so they behave like real firearms.

Yeah but that’s info only brought up in an outside game, if someone played smash and saw joker with a gun, but never played persona 5, they would believe it’s a real gun.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Lisa from PSO2 proves toy guns can be just as dangerous anyway...

But seriously, I doubt any rating board is going to go play a character's original game to go, "Oh! Lore-wise, it's different, so it doesn't count!"
It's like having a case where, "The character's actually fully-clothed, but she's projecting an illusion of being half-naked, so no problem!"

steve from where?

Steve Burnside from RE:CV

>_>


But here's to hoping we get a real horror-game rep anyway.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's ok in those instances because they sound like lasers.

I mean... Again, this is a kid's show


Also an old ass educational cartoon from the 70's did this too

 

[TheCJBrine]

Reminder that a small detail was added to Joker’s gun in Smash, making it resemble a real pistol even more.

Also, I highly doubt rating boards are gonna care about canon. If it looks like a gun, and acts like a gun, it may as well count as a gun. Especially so if its bullets bring blood, therefor making it a deadly weapon anyway.

edit: which also reminds me: I haven’t played Persona, but based on what people said, Joker’s final smash’s sequence had blood spatter instead of stars in the original game? Yeah, I don’t think rating boards give a crap about how things were originally as long as there’s no gore in Smash, then.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Interestingly, the disdain for guns in children's media is more of a new thing. Loony Toons characters like Elmer Fudd always had a gun on them and often shot at Bugs Bunny. I've also seen a kids show in which the main character's mother is shot and killed in the first episode. (And no I'm not talking about Bambi.)

EDIT: And of course this:

Spoiler: Video

I mean... Again, this is a kid's show


Also an old ass educational cartoon from the 70's did this too

Yeah but that’s info only brought up in an outside game, if someone played smash and saw joker with a gun, but never played persona 5, they would believe it’s a real gun.

And hence they would be shot.

 

[Kotor]

I just want Phoenix Wright in Smash so I can accuse everyone of committing a crime. Something as absurd as his Hyper from UMvC 3

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I just want Phoenix Wright in Smash so I can accuse everyone of committing a crime. Something as absurd as his Hyper from UMvC 3

"Actually, the one who committed the crime...WAS YOU!"
*Shocked Pikachu face*

EDIT: I'd love it if they gave everyone unique breakdown animations. Things like Terry aggressivly throwing his hat, or Luigi getting scared by ghosts.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

Sabi is LITERALLY tweeting about EVERYTHING, but Lloyd and Tales of involvement in Smash!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Something to think about, but with the disconfirmation of RE and DMC, two of Capcom’s most iconic series, I was thinking...

The whole pass has been characters from series that are lesser known in one way or another. Persona is by no means a huge series, Dragon Quest is much less known in the west (or at least played), Banjo-Kazooie has been dormant for some time now, Fatal Fury/KOF is definitely not as well known as Street Fighter or even Tekken.

Tales is another RPG, but it suffers, I think, from similar to Dragon Quest. It’s pretty easily outshined by western RPGs, but I also think the idea of having these JRPG protagonists in the same game is probably a cool idea for fans.

That said, until disconfirmation I think Phoenix Wright, Ammy, Lloyd, Chosen Undead...I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of them. I mean, I would be. But it may not be THAT much of a stretch.

But whatever. I’m sticking to my gut and saying it’s Pepsiman.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I just want Phoenix Wright in Smash so I can accuse everyone of committing a crime. Something as absurd as his Hyper from UMvC 3

His Smash moveset in general would likely be very different... but I honestly wouldn't mind if Phoenix Wright's Smash moves and animations were just 75% lifted straight from his UMVC3 appearance. They should at least take some inspiration from that Level 3 for his Final Smash.

 

[Dukemon102]

I just want Phoenix Wright in Smash so I can accuse everyone of committing a crime. Something as absurd as his Hyper from UMvC 3

I love how watching 2:17, 4:32, 9:57 and 10:35 is basically a summary of the past Tuesday.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I love how watching 2:17, 4:32, 9:57 and 10:35 is basically a summary of the past Tuesday.

It's entirely possible that 1:03 and 4:20 will happen as well in the coming two weeks.

 

[Hinata]

It's entirely possible that 1:03 and 4:20 will happen as well in the coming two weeks.

Phoenix Wright deconfirms himself.

 

[Curious Villager]

Something to think about, but with the disconfirmation of RE and DMC, two of Capcom’s most iconic series, I was thinking...

The whole pass has been characters from series that are lesser known in one way or another. Persona is by no means a huge series, Dragon Quest is much less known in the west (or at least played), Banjo-Kazooie has been dormant for some time now, Fatal Fury/KOF is definitely not as well known as Street Fighter or even Tekken.

Tales is another RPG, but it suffers, I think, from similar to Dragon Quest. It’s pretty easily outshined by western RPGs, but I also think the idea of having these JRPG protagonists in the same game is probably a cool idea for fans.

That said, until disconfirmation I think Phoenix Wright, Ammy, Lloyd, Chosen Undead...I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of them. I mean, I would be. But it may not be THAT much of a stretch.

But whatever. I’m sticking to my gut and saying it’s Pepsiman.

If I'm not mistaken, Sakurai did state at some point that he knows about the potential impact Smash can have for lesser known franchises.

I think that was part of what he was interested in pursuing as well as celebrating Japanese gaming.

Which probably explains why the current DLC seems to be the way it is and why he's doing these in depth character showcases now.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Since Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 was brought up, I also want to bring this up...

This is a 6-minute long cinematic trailer for the game, featuring every single playable character in it. It's just a slow-pan over 3D models positioned in a specific way... yet it does such an excellent job of capturing the essence of UMVC3 and Marvel vs. Capcom in general.

When Super Smash Bros. Ultimate reaches the end of its DLC cycle, after the last DLC character ever made for the game is released... I hope we get a trailer just like that one, one that showcases every single character in the game (including the DLC characters) and is able to show why Super Smash Bros. is quite possible one of the best video game crossovers of all time.

 

[Dukemon102]

Phoenix Wright deconfirms himself.

He's actually deconfirming the Edgey alt, which is WORSE than deconfirming Wright himself.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Since Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 was brought up, I also want to bring this up...

This is a 6-minute long cinematic trailer for the game, featuring every single playable character in it. It's just a slow-pan over 3D models positioned in a specific way... yet it does such an excellent job of capturing the essence of UMVC3 and Marvel vs. Capcom in general.

When Super Smash Bros. Ultimate reaches the end of its DLC cycle, after the last DLC character ever made for the game is released... I hope we get a trailer just like that one, one that showcases every single character in the game (including the DLC characters) and is able to show why Super Smash Bros. is quite possible one of the best video game crossovers of all time.

I'm hoping the intro gets updated with the full version of Lifelight and scenes involving all the DLC fighters.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So it's been a day and Sabi has said nothing about any Tales reps. I shouldn't get my hopes up yet.

Something to think about, but with the disconfirmation of RE and DMC, two of Capcom’s most iconic series, I was thinking...

The whole pass has been characters from series that are lesser known in one way or another. Persona is by no means a huge series, Dragon Quest is much less known in the west (or at least played), Banjo-Kazooie has been dormant for some time now, Fatal Fury/KOF is definitely not as well known as Street Fighter or even Tekken.

Tales is another RPG, but it suffers, I think, from similar to Dragon Quest. It’s pretty easily outshined by western RPGs, but I also think the idea of having these JRPG protagonists in the same game is probably a cool idea for fans.

That said, until disconfirmation I think Phoenix Wright, Ammy, Lloyd, Chosen Undead...I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of them. I mean, I would be. But it may not be THAT much of a stretch.

But whatever. I’m sticking to my gut and saying it’s Pepsiman.

Well that doesn't help at all.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I mean I could have told you that that French leak was fake but sure Sabi tell us our fortunes I guess.

 

[Hinata]

Sabi's gotta be asking her source about Phoenix at this point, right? And the fact that she hasn't reported anything back is a good sign, right?

...Right?

 

[Megadoomer]

Something to think about, but with the disconfirmation of RE and DMC, two of Capcom’s most iconic series, I was thinking...

The whole pass has been characters from series that are lesser known in one way or another. Persona is by no means a huge series, Dragon Quest is much less known in the west (or at least played), Banjo-Kazooie has been dormant for some time now, Fatal Fury/KOF is definitely not as well known as Street Fighter or even Tekken.

Tales is another RPG, but it suffers, I think, from similar to Dragon Quest. It’s pretty easily outshined by western RPGs, but I also think the idea of having these JRPG protagonists in the same game is probably a cool idea for fans.

That said, until disconfirmation I think Phoenix Wright, Ammy, Lloyd, Chosen Undead...I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of them. I mean, I would be. But it may not be THAT much of a stretch.

But whatever. I’m sticking to my gut and saying it’s Pepsiman.

I'm not sure if I missed something. Has Devil May Cry been given a spirit event or something else in-game that makes it seem like it won't get a character, or are you referring to Sabi saying that Dante isn't the fifth Fighters Pass character?

 

[GoodGrief741]

Vergeben's gotta be asking his source about Phoenix at this point, right? And the fact that he hasn't reported anything back is a good sign, right?

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...Right?

Ftfy

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So it's been a day and Sabi has said nothing about any Tales reps. I shouldn't get my hopes up yet.



Well that doesn't help at all.

Depends on how you look at it.

If they’re not going for the “biggest” series, then that might throw out Tekken, which may sound reasonable given the fact that we JUST got Terry Bogard from a smaller fighting game.

Dragon Quest is probably the closest thing to a legacy series that we got in DLC, and while I wouldn’t rule another one out there was a reason to try exposing it to the west.

Seems like our answer will only be from leakers.

I'm not sure if I missed something. Has Devil May Cry been given a spirit event or something else in-game that makes it seem like it won't get a character, or are you referring to Sabi saying that Dante isn't the fifth Fighters Pass character?

Might double post, but yeah. It’s really just Sabi’s source, and while I don’t care for Sabi I think it’s worth considering it if Verge is backing things up elsewhere.

Believe you me, I’d probably **** a brick if it’s Dante.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

At this point i'm only praying that Phoenix doesn't get deconfirmed... Seriously, i'm worried

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

What has Sabi ever gotten right about Smash?

 

[Megadoomer]

Might double post, but yeah. It’s really just Sabi’s source, and while I don’t care for Sabi I think it’s worth considering it if Verge is backing things up elsewhere.

Believe you me, I’d probably **** a brick if it’s Dante.

Okay, good - I was worried that something had confirmed that Dante wouldn't be an option for DLC in general. If it's just that he won't be in the Fighters Pass, then he's still an option for further down the line. (and I'm not sure what Sabi's track record is like for Smash specifically, though I know that they were extremely if not completely accurate about all of the line-ups for the past E3)

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Depends on how you look at it.

If they’re not going for the “biggest” series, then that might throw out Tekken, which may sound reasonable given the fact that we JUST got Terry Bogard from a smaller fighting game.

Dragon Quest is probably the closest thing to a legacy series that we got in DLC, and while I wouldn’t rule another one out there was a reason to try exposing it to the west.

Seems like our answer will only be from leakers.


Might double post, but yeah. It’s really just Sabi’s source, and while I don’t care for Sabi I think it’s worth considering it if Verge is backing things up elsewhere.

Believe you me, I’d probably **** a brick if it’s Dante.

Just seems a little odd to me that they would even need to really focus on "smaller franchises" when the only "big" Japanese franchises left were Resident Evil, Tekken, Souls and Puyo Puyo. One of those is still super small in the West, and the other three are admittedly titans of Japanese gaming, but they're once again, just how little Smash hasn't already incorporated. If neither Tekken nor Resident Evil get in by the end of Ultimate, they're always going to feel super missing because of just how close we were to having every major Japanese franchise with major representation (Monster Hunter as playable would preferrably also be a part of this given it's 54 million sales).

Seriously the list of major Japanese franchises without playable characters above 20 million sales (our seeming cut-off for smaller since we're talking like Persona, SNK stuff, etc) was just:

Resident Evil - 92 Million
Monster Hunter - 54 Million
Tekken - 48 Million
Souls - 30 Million
Puyo Puyo - 27 Million

and Kingdom Hearts at 30 million if you count it (which is more of a grey area I suppose). We were pretty much already to the point where smaller franchises had to be the inclusions going forward if we kept exploring Japanese third parties (though not that small because 20 million or about sales is damn impressive for most franchises).

 

[JustMyself13]

It’s important to remember that Sabi’s source likely needs to go up a chain of people before reaching who actually has the information like a modern Silk Road; seeing as it’s Thanksgiving in the U.S., it’s entriely possible that this delay of Tales info is related to people simply being too busy to answer quickly.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So has anything changed since Ubisoft and Falcom got dropped?

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

So has anything changed since Ubisoft and Falcom got dropped?

Phoenix wright leak was fake

 

[Curious Villager]

So has anything changed since Ubisoft and Falcom got dropped?

Other than the French Phoenix Wright Leak being fake and Vergeben disconfirming some guy's mom.
Not much no...