Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Seanapotamus]

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We should investigate if this guy has any credibility when it comes to leaking in general or in Smash specifically before making any judgement. Seeing as we’ve been tricked with fake Discord screenshots already, I’m suspecting this is bunk.

I think we'll wait until someone like Sabi and Verge say something about this. It depends on if this French journalist is making up stuff but based on what I've seen earlier it might be a ruse. Also I remember a French journalist or someone else claim Shigeru Miyamoto would make an appearance at Microsoft's E3 a couple days before Hero and Banjo's reveal, but it didn't happen.

So, anything New? Has Sabi deconfirmed Lloyd?

Other than Phoenix Wright rumors, nothing new. No news on Lloyd yet.

Gonna be real silly if FP5 is another Atlus character, but it’s still not a mainline SMT character.

Watch FP5 be a character from Snowboard Kids

 

[Lamperouge]

I'll only be fine with Samurai adding obscure nobodies when he finally decides to please the masses by giving us Geno.

 

[Gentlepanda]

funny how we're throwing all these characters around as likely but no-one was even close to guessing SNK last time until nintendo themselves leaked it

makes you wonder what crazy left-field **** sakurai actually has planned while we're talking about capcom and namco

 

[cothero]

Vergeben disconfirmed someone's mom.

Damn, that's cold.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

funny how we're throwing all these characters around as likely but no-one was even close to guessing SNK last time until nintendo themselves leaked it

makes you wonder what crazy left-field **** sakurai actually has planned while we're talking about capcom and namco

An Sony rep.

Its Kratos' (And Atreus') time.

 

[SKX31]

funny how we're throwing all these characters around as likely but no-one was even close to guessing SNK last time until nintendo themselves leaked it

makes you wonder what crazy left-field **** sakurai actually has planned while we're talking about capcom and namco

*Realizes Zhao Yun and other Dynasty Warriors characters are still not de-confirmed, and would be prime material if they are indeed planning a reveal in China (with a worldwide mirror) for either FP5 or Post-Pass.*

Crud, I jinxed it right?

 

[Captain Fun]

So basically as long as the Magnum or a shotgun doesn't OHKO or put into crumple it's good?

I would imagine as long as it's not a realistic or excessive (so no blood or dismemberment, not drawn) out it's probably fine. Clearly, just including firearms isn't enough to get a game a T+ rating.

 

[Lamperouge]

funny how we're throwing all these characters around as likely but no-one was even close to guessing SNK last time until nintendo themselves leaked it

makes you wonder what crazy left-field **** sakurai actually has planned while we're talking about capcom and namco

TMW the answer was right in front of us this whole time:

Spoiler

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I was curious, so I checked the age rating of Bayonetta and Metal Gear based on CERO.

From what I’ve found, Bayonetta was the equivalent of an ESRB Mature, which in CERO is “D”. Metal Gear Solid was rated 15+ apparently from CERO.

Might look into Persona 5 next. But comparatively, Resident Evil is rated M by ESRB, Adult by CERO.

I wonder what the actual difference is. Like, maybe the grotesque monsters? A Licker literally has an exposed brain and muscles, most monsters are covered in blood, all that Jazz.

Have to wonder if adding a character from an Adult rated game would immediately mess up the rating.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I was curious, so I checked the age rating of Bayonetta and Metal Gear based on CERO.

From what I’ve found, Bayonetta was the equivalent of an ESRB Mature, which in CERO is “D”. Metal Gear Solid was rated 15+ apparently from CERO.

Might look into Persona 5 next. But comparatively, Resident Evil is rated M by ESRB, Adult by CERO.

I wonder what the actual difference is. Like, maybe the grotesque monsters? A Licker literally has an exposed brain and muscles, most monsters are covered in blood, all that Jazz.

Have to wonder if adding a character from an Adult rated game would immediately mess up the rating.

CERO generally has a distaste for gore from what I can tell as seen with God of War getting censored over there

 

[Gentlepanda]

TMW the answer was right in front of us this whole time:

Spoiler

hrmhmrmhmmrhmm

"in", i am

Spoiler

 

[Curious Villager]

funny how we're throwing all these characters around as likely but no-one was even close to guessing SNK last time until nintendo themselves leaked it

makes you wonder what crazy left-field **** sakurai actually has planned while we're talking about capcom and namco

Clearly we are getting a Natsume rep, their the most slept on company in the speculation community yet.

In other words, he's in!

Spoiler

.....

If only....

 

[osby]

I was curious, so I checked the age rating of Bayonetta and Metal Gear based on CERO.

From what I’ve found, Bayonetta was the equivalent of an ESRB Mature, which in CERO is “D”. Metal Gear Solid was rated 15+ apparently from CERO.

Might look into Persona 5 next. But comparatively, Resident Evil is rated M by ESRB, Adult by CERO.

I wonder what the actual difference is. Like, maybe the grotesque monsters? A Licker literally has an exposed brain and muscles, most monsters are covered in blood, all that Jazz.

Have to wonder if adding a character from an Adult rated game would immediately mess up the rating.

Persona 5 is rated "C" in Japan, or for ages 15 and up. Apparently, it's because of sexuality, violence, drugs, crime, and language.

It's rated higher by ESBR: Mature (17+)

 

[Wunderwaft]

I was curious, so I checked the age rating of Bayonetta and Metal Gear based on CERO.

From what I’ve found, Bayonetta was the equivalent of an ESRB Mature, which in CERO is “D”. Metal Gear Solid was rated 15+ apparently from CERO.

Might look into Persona 5 next. But comparatively, Resident Evil is rated M by ESRB, Adult by CERO.

I wonder what the actual difference is. Like, maybe the grotesque monsters? A Licker literally has an exposed brain and muscles, most monsters are covered in blood, all that Jazz.

Have to wonder if adding a character from an Adult rated game would immediately mess up the rating.

Resident Evil 2 Remake had two versions released in japan. The standard D version which is the equivalent of the M rating of the ESRB, and the Z version which is the Adult version and the one we received in the West. The differences are mostly related to the gore of the monsters themselves, the guns aren't the main cause and are not different in both versions. Considering RE characters appeared in crossovers without jacking up the rating I don't think guns are a problem, it's the gory zombies. Zombies could easily be censored for Smash just like how it happened in Marvel vs Capcom, maybe they might turn the blood to green like they used to.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

funny how we're throwing all these characters around as likely but no-one was even close to guessing SNK last time until nintendo themselves leaked it

makes you wonder what crazy left-field **** sakurai actually has planned while we're talking about capcom and namco

The only thing I can think of that would be out of left field would be to use a Level 5 character.

Sakurai-San pls.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Persona 5 is rated "C" in Japan, or for ages 15 and up. Apparently, it's because of sexuality, violence, drugs, crime, and language.

It's rated higher by ESBR: Mature (17+)

p5's ratings are the least consistent things in the world

CERO says both P5 and P5R are 15+
ESRB says both P5 and P5R are 17+
PEGI says P5 is a 15+ and P5R is an 18+

make your minds up guys

 

[SKX31]

p5's ratings are the least consistent things in the world

CERO says both P5 and P5R are 15+
ESRB says both P5 and P5R are 17+
PEGI says P5 is a 15+ and P5R is an 18+

make your minds up guys

Do you have the Australian rating too? That one would be really interesting since its ratings board is conservative like CERO and trigger happy.

I was curious, so I checked the age rating of Bayonetta and Metal Gear based on CERO.

From what I’ve found, Bayonetta was the equivalent of an ESRB Mature, which in CERO is “D”. Metal Gear Solid was rated 15+ apparently from CERO.

Might look into Persona 5 next. But comparatively, Resident Evil is rated M by ESRB, Adult by CERO.

I wonder what the actual difference is. Like, maybe the grotesque monsters? A Licker literally has an exposed brain and muscles, most monsters are covered in blood, all that Jazz.

Have to wonder if adding a character from an Adult rated game would immediately mess up the rating.

I'd probably guess the zombies and Sakurai not being interested in recreating the MVC 3 movesets (for either the RE characters or Frank West). He'd had to come up with a more realistic moveset, which might hint at wounds (Bandages.) or such. I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai got stuck with RE, since IIRC he wants to have the characters dance in his head so he's sure they'll work.

I don't blame Sakurai for taking the safer route regardless, even if it sucks. Chancing a up-rate would not sit well with manufacturers and stores who have to go back on a finished product they're making / selling to redo even a small part of it. I don't think it'd sit well with Moral Guardian parents ether if they hear their kids' games just got edgier.

 

[Lionfranky]

If he was lying, he wasn't necessarily breaking NDA as NDAs don't generally cover misinforming the public through deception and outright lying.

If he wasn't lying...
1) "When I meant dlc, I meant Fighter Pass! I couldn't check other dlc after that!"
2) "I said I checked dlc, but couldn't find Chief. Also, I didn't say I cracked Fighter Pass to confirm my statement!"
3) He's telling the truth, or at least a half-truth. Maybe Chief might be in and he simply doesn't know about it, as this decision wouldn't be up to him.

Grant Kirkhope didn't know about Banjo in Smash until January of this year. He had assumed it was going to be a Raving Rabbid or something.

Or maybe he was just being coy and speaking i the present tense, like "[At the time of this tweet], Master Chief is not in Smash."

There's also a curious typo in the tweet. "Master Chief is not is Smash DLC. Although I did just download Smash." Could be nothing, or...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

CERO generally has a distaste for gore from what I can tell as seen with God of War getting censored over there

Persona 5 is rated "C" in Japan, or for ages 15 and up. Apparently, it's because of sexuality, violence, drugs, crime, and language.

It's rated higher by ESBR: Mature (17+)

Resident Evil 2 Remake had two versions released in japan. The standard D version which is the equivalent of the M rating of the ESRB, and the Z version which is the Adult version and the one we received in the West. The differences are mostly related to the gore of the monsters themselves, the guns aren't the main cause and are not different in both versions. Considering RE characters appeared in crossovers without jacking up the rating I don't think guns are a problem, it's the gory zombies. Zombies could easily be censored for Smash just like how it happened in Marvel vs Capcom, maybe they might turn the blood to green like they used to.

Thanks for the information, my dudes.

So then...guns aren’t the problem. Gore can be censored a certain way and is just as present in Bayonetta.

Maybe...hm. Y’all know I’m in the camp that Spirits are a disconfirmation. But humor this: Might the spirits have been added because they weren’t fighter 5, and Sakurai/dev team wanted them represented in some form? This was prior to the second wave being decided, and therefore wouldn’t have the opportunity to consider Resident Evil for playable candidacy.

Eh, it’s easier for me/my heart to assume they’re dead and gone (heh). But I just find the whole thing interesting. Make Spirits for one of the highest earning Japanese-created series ever, likely because other picks were made, but then it turns out it wasn’t the rating of the source material that kept them out, nor the guns...

Really curious to see if Sakurai says anything about it. That’s really all I can say at this point.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Do you have the Australian rating too? That one would be really interesting since its ratings board is conservative like CERO and trigger happy.

P5 is 15+ in australia and from what i can gather P5R is most likely an 18+

so same as pegi surprisngly

 

[Deleted member]

Hate to break it to ya, but with how this Fighter Pass is going, I think you're gonna have to wait until AFTER the 5th fighter on the pass goes through before hope for spirited characters reignites.

I already know they won’t be in the pass but the thing that bugs me is that the'll keep saying it after the pass

 

[TheCJBrine]

> Guns aren't the problem

Doomguy win.

 

[osby]

P5 is 15+ in australia and from what i can gather P5R is most likely an 18+

so same as pegi surprisngly

I wonder why Royal is rated higher in some places. Yeah, some of the new content is quite heavy but I can't think up anything worse than the original game.

 

[Pinguino21v]

I'll only be fine with Samurai adding obscure nobodies when he finally decides to please the masses by giving us Geno.

Geno would fit both categories, doesn't he? /s but not totally /s

An Sony rep.

Its Kratos' (And Atreus') time.

There's a crack in time, it's Ratchet!

 

[Lamperouge]

I already know they won’t be in the pass but the thing that bugs me is that the'll keep saying it after the pass

Well, yeah...

It's fair for most people to assume that spirit upgrades aren't happening until solid evidence turns up suggesting the contrary.

Geno would fit both categories, doesn't he?

That's the joke.

 

[Gentlepanda]

I wonder why Royal is rated higher in some places. Yeah, some of the new content is quite heavy but I can't think up anything worse than the original game.

rated A for Absolute bangers

but i'd say it's probably a combination of some of the content in the new cutscenes + the additions made to certain early game dungeons

 

[Calamitas]

funny how we're throwing all these characters around as likely but no-one was even close to guessing SNK last time until nintendo themselves leaked it

makes you wonder what crazy left-field **** sakurai actually has planned while we're talking about capcom and namco

Maybe the most outlandish concept of them all.


A first-party character.

TMW the answer was right in front of us this whole time:

Spoiler

Is this the music used for the trailer, then?

Spoiler

 

[Seanapotamus]

I've recently seen gameplay of Sol Badguy to get an idea of how he could work in Smash (since I've seen a mention or two of him being possibly in), and I think he could make a cool addition to the roster. "Ride the Fire" or bust.

Now that I said it, he and Arc System Works as a whole will probably be added onto the deconfirmed list amongst others.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I think Paul Newmaker from the hit PS1 game Petscop will be Fighter #5.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Aight, so here’s what I’m thinking.

Nearly every major 3rd party gaming company that has a shot in Smash gets shot down.

Even Nintendo isn’t it, so we can say goodbye to any chance of playable Gooigi, otherwise known as “Moist Green Mario”.

I’ve got it. I know who it is.

It’s

Spoiler: Challenger Pack 5

 

[Deleted member]

Aight, so here’s what I’m thinking.

Nearly every major 3rd party gaming company that has a shot in Smash gets shot down.

Even Nintendo isn’t it, so we can say goodbye to any chance of playable Gooigi, otherwise known as “Moist Green Mario”.

I’ve got it. I know who it is.

It’s

Spoiler: Challenger Pack 5

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Captain falcons echo fighter?

 

[Seanapotamus]

Aight, so here’s what I’m thinking.

Nearly every major 3rd party gaming company that has a shot in Smash gets shot down.

Even Nintendo isn’t it, so we can say goodbye to any chance of playable Gooigi, otherwise known as “Moist Green Mario”.

I’ve got it. I know who it is.

It’s

Spoiler: Challenger Pack 5

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Spoiler: Regarding Challenger Pack 5

PEPSI MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!

FINALLY.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Aight, so here’s what I’m thinking.

Nearly every major 3rd party gaming company that has a shot in Smash gets shot down.

Even Nintendo isn’t it, so we can say goodbye to any chance of playable Gooigi, otherwise known as “Moist Green Mario”.

I’ve got it. I know who it is.

It’s

Spoiler: Challenger Pack 5

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reminder that back when smash 64 was still in it's dragon king phase, it was nicknamed "pepsiman"

we've gone full circle

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I've recently seen gameplay of Sol Badguy to get an idea of how he could work in Smash (since I've seen a mention or two of him being possibly in), and I think he could make a cool addition to the roster. "Ride the Fire" or bust.

Now that I said it, he and Arc System Works as a whole will probably be added onto the deconfirmed list amongst others.

Let's rock!

We're still alive so far, just like how Sol is alive despite killing his past self

 

[CharacterCrisisKing]

No it ain't.

Doom is comiNG.

> Guns aren't the problem

Doomguy win.

A FRIEND TO THE CAUSE!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Guys! Here me out!

The ultimate surprise we would not expect.

Segata Sanshiro.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Aight, so here’s what I’m thinking.

Nearly every major 3rd party gaming company that has a shot in Smash gets shot down.

Even Nintendo isn’t it, so we can say goodbye to any chance of playable Gooigi, otherwise known as “Moist Green Mario”.

I’ve got it. I know who it is.

It’s

Spoiler: Challenger Pack 5

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His final smash is turning the opponents' entire family and food supply into Pepsi.

 

[Jomosensual]

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We should investigate if this guy has any credibility when it comes to leaking in general or in Smash specifically before making any judgement. Seeing as we’ve been tricked with fake Discord screenshots already, I’m suspecting this is bunk.

Oh boy here we go

 

[osby]

Guys! Here me out!

The ultimate surprise we would not expect.

Segata Sanshiro.

When you select him, he materializes in the real world and kicks you to kingdom come for not playing the game on Sega Saturn.

 

[SKX31]

Aight, so here’s what I’m thinking.

Nearly every major 3rd party gaming company that has a shot in Smash gets shot down.

Even Nintendo isn’t it, so we can say goodbye to any chance of playable Gooigi, otherwise known as “Moist Green Mario”.

I’ve got it. I know who it is.

It’s

Spoiler: Challenger Pack 5

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Especially if we get the remix comboing it with my favorite Wonky-but-Entertaining-Movie from the same decade:

When you select him, he materializes in the real world and kicks you to kingdom come for not playing the game on Sega Saturn.

Especially since he taunted Lucina and Chrom about not playing on Classic mode.

And both of them reacted with fear just by his words alone.