Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[ProfPeanut]

RTC thought Terry and Erdrick weren't gonna happen so who cares

TBF, most of the fanbase was in denial over Hero (since Banjo wasn't in yet), and almost no one thought Terry would happen until that SNK leak blindsided everyone.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Why Tekken or Tales of? They’re already decided deconfirmed by having smash 4 costumes.

By you maybe.

 

[Hinata]

RTC thought Terry and Erdrick weren't gonna happen so who cares

RTC gave a lot of low scores to characters who actually ended up happening, to my knowledge.

which means the chronically low scores for phoenix work in his favor

 

[BlackInk]

By you maybe.

By Reggie, since the characters were... mii FIGHTERS.

 

[TheYungLink]

Even if Vergeben deconfirmed Falcom for Fighter Pack 5, I think a Falcom character will happen sooner or later. Adol Christin and Estelle Bright would both be real cool to see, and the former has a huge legacy spanning over 30 years.

If Adol does get in, then I think he'll continue what The Hero started and inherit a Spirit power as part of his moveset. With The Hero, they got the random critical hit ability, but with Adol, he'd get the "attack by dashing" ability, i.e. just running with Adol will count as an attack. This is because in the Ys games, you attack by running straight into an enemy with no button presses required.

 

[GoodGrief741]

RTC thought Terry and Erdrick weren't gonna happen so who cares

Actually those two got pretty high scores. Well, not exactly Terry, but the concept of an SNK rep did.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

TBF, most of the fanbase was in denial over Hero (since Banjo wasn't in yet), and almost no one thought Terry would happen until that SNK leak blindsided everyone.

Wasn't Erdrick rated a while before the leaks? Cause that's my point, it's just a game about a game

 

[Icedragonadam]

I think it's pretty clear the DLC fighters need:

A Character
A Stage
Music
A Spiritboard

Mii Costumes are clearly optional as they have to be purchased outside of the pass and Banjo's release didn't have any mii costumes from his own series. Tales and Tekken don't have any of the above in Ultimate, while series like Monster Hunter have a spirit and music already in the game as well as an assist trophy/boss.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

By Reggie, since the characters were... mii FIGHTERS.

He never said "Characters who were Mii costumes will not be DLC", and if I remember correctly, his statement could logically be interpreted multiple ways, thus rendering it meaningless. His statement is not a reliable thing to go off of for absolutes.

 

[Hinata]

I think it's pretty clear the DLC fighters need:

A Character
A Stage
Music
A Spiritboard

Mii Costumes are clearly optional as they have to be purchased outside of the pass and Banjo's release didn't have any mii costumes from his own series. Tales and Tekken don't have any of the above in Ultimate, while series like Monster Hunter have a spirit and music already in the game as well as an assist trophy/boss.

Ace Attorney doesn't have any of the above either.

And unlike Tales and Tekken, it has never been represented in Smash in any way, period, despite being a very Nintendo-loyal series.

then again very few capcom series really had representation until mega man and ryu in smash 4

 

[cothero]

Can I get links to where Ubisoft and Gordon Freeman have been deconfirmed? I'm gonna feel really awkward about arguing strongly for Valve's chances in RTC if that's solidly true.

Gordon: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78195785?jumpto=41#41 (this one really made me sad )

Ubisoft: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78203375?jumpto=27#27

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

As far as Reggie’s statements, he said that the fighters will be new to Smash. He more or less insinuated they’d be similar to Joker, in that regard.

I’m not sure what that’ll mean for Heihachi or Lloyd though.

When it comes to the overall idea of the Fighter’s Pass, I think it very clearly has been shown by its contents. It’s all brand new characters, mostly from franchises people didn’t expect, or that bring new fans in.

This, frankly, is why I expect more of the same. If that strategy brought the...what was it, like a majority of the digital sales came from Smash DLC? It would appear that that strategy worked and paid off.

Not to say first parties aren’t going to happen. But it’s entirely possible it continues with 3rd parties going forward.

 

[Izanagi97]

Wonder who will get deconfirmed on Thanksgiving (will probably be more interesting to read about than watching the Thanksgiving Football games if only because the Sunday games look more interesting)

 

[Will]

As far as Reggie’s statements, he said that the fighters will be new to Smash.

Mr. Hahn you gotta cite your sources in MLA format

Wonder who will get deconfirmed on Thanksgiving

 

[ProfPeanut]

Gordon: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78195785?jumpto=41#41 (this one really made me sad )

Ubisoft: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78203375?jumpto=27#27

Thanks. Well, it would've been a stretch to think Half-Life Alyx also meant Gordon was FP5 anyway, but I do think we'll be seeing him more in the future.

 

[BlackInk]

He never said "Characters who were Mii costumes will not be DLC", and if I remember correctly, his statement could logically be interpreted multiple ways, thus rendering it meaningless. His statement is not a reliable thing to go off of for absolutes.

No one has to be that ridiculously specific. To them, they count as fighters. Besides, have you seen the base the roster? It’s literally has all of the characters in smash. Reggie’s statement will actually not make any sense if he isn’t referring to the mii costumes guys as the “characters” who aren’t new to smash. In fact, he doesn’t have to talk about any old “characters” if the Miis don’t count.

 

[TheCJBrine]

If they want to appeal to new demographics with characters from new series, I don’t see why Lloyd and Heihachi would be out just because they were costumes last game. Seems very dumb on their part if they actually didn’t consider them because of this, and I don’t want to think they’re that dumb, so I’m sure this isn’t the case even if they don’t get in.

At the same time, it seems like Sakurai at least has some power in which characters get in, so I don’t think it was all up to Nintendo...

 

[VongolaFair]

If what Vergeben and Sabi are saying actually ends up being true and TGA arrives with Sora still being left as a candidate....... Chaos will OCCUR

 

[Will]

If what Vergeben and Sabi are saying actually ends up being true and TGA arrives with Sora still being left as a candidate....... Chaos will OCCUR

Gee Square, how come Sakurai lets you get TWO DLC characters?

 

[BlackInk]

If they want to appeal to new demographics with characters from new series, I don’t see why Lloyd and Heihachi would be out just because they were costumes last game. Seems very dumb on their part if they actually didn’t consider them because of this, and I don’t want to think they’re that dumb, so I’m sure this isn’t the case even if they don’t get in.

At the same time, it seems like Sakurai at least has some power in which characters get in, so I don’t think it was all up to Nintendo...

https://youtu.be/SHt3FyE-VIQ?t=12633
“Characters that are new to the series, just like Joker from persona 5” (Reggie).

 

[osby]

At the same time, it seems like Sakurai at least has some power in which characters get in, so I don’t think it was all up to Nintendo...

That we already know, he outright said he makes the final decision in whether or not a character can be implemented.

Being completely honest here, i don't think this whole "Nintendo choses the characters" chip chat is true, or at least not entirely true. It's a very good excuse for Sakurai not being hated for choosing whoever he wants to put in the game. Hell, Terry's inclusion screams Sakurai's fanboyism.

Nah, people are just salty because SNK has guts to be influential and popular even though they're not fans of it.

Also, Sakurai gets hate for anything related to Smash, but "Nintendo already decided DLC" was aimed towards dumbasses who spammed "X FOR SMASH!" at every social media they could find.

 

[TheCJBrine]

https://youtu.be/SHt3FyE-VIQ?t=12633
“Characters that are new to the series, just like Joker from persona 5” (Reggie).

Not this again...he even once said something like Waluigi being new or “not in Smash” in an interview before...

I don’t think we should rely on his statement so seriously. It’d still be dumb of them if they actually didn’t consider Lloyd and Heihachi because of last game’s costumes, anyway.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If they want to appeal to new demographics with characters from new series, I don’t see why Lloyd and Heihachi would be out just because they were costumes last game. Seems very dumb on their part if they actually didn’t consider them because of this, and I don’t want to think they’re that dumb, so I’m sure this isn’t the case even if they don’t get in.

At the same time, it seems like Sakurai at least has some power in which characters get in, so I don’t think it was all up to Nintendo...

Nintendo gave the list of every series they'd be willing to negotiate to see in Smash and Sakurai picked from that.

 

[BlackInk]

Not this again...He even once said something like Waluigi being new or “not in Smash” in an interview before...

Have you ever heard of memes?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

No one has to be that ridiculously specific. To them, they count as fighters. Besides, have you seen the base the roster? It’s literally has all of the characters in smash. Reggie’s statement will actually not make any sense if he isn’t referring to the mii costumes guys as the “characters” who aren’t new to smash. In fact, he doesn’t have to talk about any old “characters” if the Miis don’t count.

Having a sentence that doesn't spark a debate about what was meant by it isn't the same thing as being "ridiculously specific".

If you're counting Mii costumes as actual fighters then everyone is not here because Heihachi and Lloyd are still missing.

Reggie's statement does make sense if you interpret it as "all of the fighters will be newcomers". If this is indeed what he meant, then it's nothing we should concern ourselves with because it's not giving us any new information.

Whether or not we actually get Heihachi or Lloyd that doesn't change the fact that as of now there has been no official disconfirmation for either character.

Gee Square, how come Sakurai lets you get TWO DLC characters?

According to everyone Sora is not a SquareEnix rep.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Have you ever heard of memes?

What he said was regarding fans asking for him and he was being serious, he also likes Waluigi. I don’t think him being memed matters.

And it’d still be completely stupid of them to think 2 absent (or even present) mii costumes actually attract new demographics. If Lloyd and Heihachi aren’t in, it’s not because of this.

 

[Will]

According to everyone Sora is not a SquareEnix rep.

it's either sora or using club penguin for disney if they're bold to make such a claim

 

[BlackInk]

Having a sentence that doesn't spark a debate about what was meant by it isn't the same thing as being "ridiculously specific".

If you're counting Mii costumes as actual fighters then everyone is not here because Heihachi and Lloyd are still missing.

Reggie's statement does make sense if you interpret it as "all of the fighters will be newcomers". If this is indeed what he meant, then it's nothing we should concern ourselves with because it's not giving us any new information.

Whether or not we actually get Heihachi or Lloyd that doesn't change the fact that as of now there has been no official disconfirmation for either character.


According to everyone Sora is not a SquareEnix rep.

Because the fifth fighter is a Namco rep. Thus, the Namco mii costumes are coming with its release. Honestly, I think people have a pretty strong sense of denial since the characters like Joker are ones that have never touched this series before the pass.

 

[TheCJBrine]

For all we know, Reggie could’ve just been reiterating the fact that we’d be getting newcomers even if it was obvious.

I swear the argument over what he meant died early this year, why is it back?

 

[BlackInk]

For all we know, Reggie could’ve just been reiterating the fact that we’d be getting newcomers even if it was obvious.

This actually sounds like denial.

 

[TheCJBrine]

This actually sounds like denial.

Or maybe it’s entirely possible because he’s a human being and can make mistakes or state the obvious just ‘cause.

“denial” seriously, get out of here with that crap. People considering other possibilities aren’t in frickin’ denial, don’t act like you’re smarter than everyone else. Heihachi and Lloyd may very well not be fighters, but I don’t think they’d actually not consider them to attract new demographics just because of two cosplay costumes.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It isn't Smash Speculation without hyperfixating on PR I suppose

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Because the fifth fighter is a Namco rep. Thus, the Namco mii costumes are coming with its release. Honestly, I think people have a pretty strong sense of denial since the characters like Joker are ones that have never touched this series before the pass.

Not necessarily. Banjo & Kazooie didn't come with any Banjo-Kazooie or even Microsoft related Mii costumes.

 

[VongolaFair]

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Gee Square, how come Sakurai lets you get TWO DLC characters?

Kingdom Hearts is owned by Disney 100% yo

 

[Calamitas]

Oh, so Ubisoft is entirely out, too? These disconfirmations sure seem to be getting quicker. Anyone else feel like this is an indication that the next fighter reveal could be sooner than TGA we think?

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Gee Square, how come Sakurai lets you get TWO DLC characters?

All these Squares make a circle. . .

 

[BlackInk]

Not necessarily. Banjo & Kazooie didn't come with any Banjo-Kazooie or even Microsoft related Mii costumes.

Because it’s Microsoft.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, so Ubisoft is entirely out, too? These disconfirmations sure seem to be getting quicker. Anyone else feel like this is an indication that the next fighter reveal could be sooner than TGA we think?

For all intents and purposes I gotta feeling that we get FP5 before we get the Game Awards reveal. Just my hunch, because if they really want a Game Awards reveal it'll be someone hype-worthy.

Every day we get closer to the truth.

 

[Banado_Boy]

I never really see this brought up much, but here’s a fun fact (that could possibly be in favor of Lloyd in Smash): one of the producers for Smash Ultimate, Yo****o Higuchi, was also one of the directors for Tales of Symphonia. lol his name gets censored here

 

[perfectchaos83]

I never really see this brought up much, but here’s a fun fact (that could possibly be in favor of Lloyd in Smash): one of the producers for Smash Ultimate, Yo****o Higuchi, was also one of the directors for Tales of Symphonia. lol his name gets censored here

He was also the director of Abyss and Vesperia. It really doesn't mean anything. He was also a producer for 3DS/Wii U as well.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Because it’s Microsoft.

Well on the note of that non-argument, I'm going to bed.