Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Ramen Tengoku]

Athena (not Athena Asamiya, just Athena)

Smash is for good boys and girls of all ages.

 

[Schnee117]

Here's a little game: if every company currently in Ultimate had 5 unique reps from different franchises, what characters would you give them?

Konami: Snake, Simon, Bill Rizer, Frogger, Shiori Fujisaki
Sega: Sonic, Bayonetta, Joker, Kiryu, Axel Stone
Capcom: Mega Man, Ryu, Leon S. Kennedy, Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright
Bandai-Namco: Pac-Man, Heihaichi, Lloyd Irving, Sophitia, KOS-MOS
Square-Enix: Cloud, Hero, Geno, Sora, Lara Croft
Microsoft: Banjo, Steve, Master Chief, Rash, Joanna Dark
SNK: Terry (as a Fatal Fury rep), Kyo Kusanagi (as a KoF rep), Nakoruru, Marco Rossi, Jeanne D'Arc

Konami: Snake, Simon, Bill Rizer, Frogger, Bomberman
Sega: Sonic, Bayonetta, Joker, Kiryu, Alicia Melchiott
Capcom: Mega Man, Ryu, Dante, Asura, Morrigan
Namco: Pac-Man, Nightmare, Alisa Amiella, KOS-MOS, Kazuya
Square Enix: Cloud, Hero, Adam Jensen, Sora, Lara Croft
Microsoft: Banjo, Master Chief, General RAAM, Fulgore, Steve
SNK: Terry (Fatal Fury), Kyo (KoF), Ryo (AoF), Ralf & Clark (Ikari Warriors), Charlotte

 

[Guybrush20X6]

All this talk of TGA and it's three weeks away...

Time's slowing to a crawl again.

 

[MainJPW]

Athena (not Athena Asamiya, just Athena)

Same thing.

 

[Will]

Microsoft: Banjo, Steve, Master Chief, Rash, Joanna Dark

No Fulgore, no buy.

 

[SKX31]

All this talk of TGA and it's three weeks away...

Time's slowing to a crawl again.

That's why I'm not betting 100 % on VGA. For all we know, a Nintendo Direct could be where they announce it. Or even that wildcard I've been thinking (a bit too much) about. The Chinese presentation (if Ultimate gets approved in time for it that is).

 

[cj.]

SNK: Terry, Iori, Nakoruru, Metal slug soldiers (interchangeable), Bub/Bob. (+ new psycho soldier stage/Music)

Bub & Bob aren't a SNK ip

 

[PSIGuy]

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of Gordon Freeman in Smash.

Representationwise, he fleshes out PC games incredibly well and particularly Steam, just as Sonic/Pacman/Terry all represent different hardware and platforms.
Movesetwise, the Gravity Gun makes for an incredibly versatile Special just as it did in HL2 and allows players to do all kinds of things they couldn’t before. Picking up items and pegging them at people is one thing, but what about picking up an energy projectile and then just walking into people while holding it? Or using a projectile to deflect incoming attacks? It easily combos with a standard move of Gordon’s like firing a energy projectile from the alien AR2 or lobbing a nade at your feet, then launching it with the gravity gun.
Finally there’s a huge arsenal of weaponry across the HL series to utilise for the rest of the moveset, including a kinetic beam cannon that can be used to launch yourself with its knockback (HL1), tiny homing homicidal alien creatures that self detonate (HL1), a repurposed alien with a long tongue that can be used to reel in enemies or pull yourself back to the stage (Opposing Force), a laser guided RPG (HL1/2), an organic swarm-insect launching bioweapon that regenerates ammo (HL1), a crossbow that fires hot iron bars (HL1/2), explosive satchels, laser tripmines (HL1), hopping mines (HL2) and the ever trusty crowbar for anything within arms length.
Black Mesa as a stage would be a great setpiece heavy arena with aliens swarming in, parts of the stage occasionally blowing up and falling apart and moving around different areas, from the tram ride to the experiment gone wrong, to the surface and even an alien world.
Only thing I’m not sure on is his movement; HL1 is far better for that. It's based on the Quake engine so even after patches you can bunnyhop, movement feels good and there's things like the Tau Cannon


EDIT: AND HIS

Spoiler: Final Smash

lets him use his Gravity Gun on other fighters for a limtied time. You can launch them into the abyss or at each other, your choice. No one man should have all that power, but one Freeman does.

 

[Deleted member]

All this talk of TGA and it's three weeks away...

Time's slowing to a crawl again.

Honestly yeah, I get the same feeling that time slows down during a major event. Could be me.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

All this talk of TGA and it's three weeks away...

Time's slowing to a crawl again.

Honestly yeah, I get the same feeling that time slows down during a major event. Could be me.

Time slowing down... I believe there's only one possible explanation for this:

Spoiler

Sakurai is secretly an enemy Stand user.

 

[epicmartin7]

Interesting fact. As of 6.1.0, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate can handle up to 20,145 fighters!

Spoiler: More Info

TL;DR, this is due to moveset property edits being possible for each individual costume slot. Currently, the limit for max costume slots is 255. So, if you take the current roster (79) and multiply it by 255, you get the amount posted above. Obviously, the team would add Fighter IDs instead of relying on costumes, meaning it's more of a thing modders would take advantage of. Still, it's kind of mind blowing to think about lol.

If you want more info, here's a thread detailing it a bit more.

 

[Will]

These weeks are going by pretty fast for me actually, probably because of finals and final assignments coming up and I'm constantly working on them.

 

[N3ON]

All I know is if people keep bringing up the wait til TGA, it's going to seem even longer.

 

[Deleted member]

All I know is if people keep bringing up the wait til TGA, it's going to seem even longer.

Which is why you're all trying your best to kill boredom here.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Interesting fact. As of 6.1.0, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate can handle up to 20,145 fighters!

Spoiler: More Info

TL;DR, this is due to moveset property edits being possible for each individual costume slot. Currently, the limit for max costume slots is 255. So, if you take the current roster (79) and multiply it by 255, you get the amount posted above. Obviously, the team would add Fighter IDs instead of relying on costumes, meaning it's more of a thing modders would take advantage of. Still, it's kind of mind blowing to think about lol.

If you want more info, here's a thread detailing it a bit more.

"EVERYONE IS HERE!"

How many seasons is that? Dividing 20.145 by 5... 4.029. Boy, this DLC is gonna be crazy. Smash has officially surpassed Tobal 2 and reached MUGEN levels. /s

Jokes aside, does this mean we might have costume mods in the next few months? I imagine the people who made them in 4 must have been itching for that.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Here's a little game: if every company currently in Ultimate had 5 unique reps from different franchises, what characters would you give them?

Konami: Snake, Simon, Bill Rizer, Frogger, Shiori Fujisaki
Sega: Sonic, Bayonetta, Joker, Kiryu, Axel Stone
Capcom: Mega Man, Ryu, Leon S. Kennedy, Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright
Bandai-Namco: Pac-Man, Heihaichi, Lloyd Irving, Sophitia, KOS-MOS
Square-Enix: Cloud, Hero, Geno, Sora, Lara Croft
Microsoft: Banjo, Steve, Master Chief, Rash, Joanna Dark
SNK: Terry (as a Fatal Fury rep), Kyo Kusanagi (as a KoF rep), Nakoruru, Marco Rossi, Jeanne D'Arc

Konami: Snake, Simon, Frogger, Bill Rizer, Heather Mason
Sega: Sonic, Bayonetta, Joker, Kazuma Kiryu, Arle
Bamco: Pac-Man, Heihachi, Velvet Crow, Katamari Prince, KOS-MOS
Capcom: Mega Man, Ryu, Jill Valentine, Phoenix Wright, Dante
Square: Cloud, Hero, 2B, Sora, Dane from The Quiet Man Geno
Microsoft: Banjo, Steve, Master Chief, Cuphead, and uhhh Clippy I guess
SNK: Terry, Kyo, Nakoruru, Metal Slug tank, Athena Asiyama

 

[yeet123]

Time slowing down... I believe there's only one possible explanation for this:

NANI?!?!?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Time slowing down... I believe there's only one possible explanation for this:

Spoiler

Sakurai is secretly an enemy Stand user.

DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I better use my own stand to counter it.

/LOOPED MEMES¬

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Interesting fact. As of 6.1.0, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate can handle up to 20,145 fighters!

Spoiler: More Info

TL;DR, this is due to moveset property edits being possible for each individual costume slot. Currently, the limit for max costume slots is 255. So, if you take the current roster (79) and multiply it by 255, you get the amount posted above. Obviously, the team would add Fighter IDs instead of relying on costumes, meaning it's more of a thing modders would take advantage of. Still, it's kind of mind blowing to think about lol.

If you want more info, here's a thread detailing it a bit more.

on a completely serious note: think this means we'll have more skins for existing characters? what would you expect to see?

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Although it would never happen in a million years due to a multitude of reasons, I would absolutely adore a custom fighter creator like the one in RoA. That way, everyone's most wanted could get in

 

[epicmartin7]

on a completely serious note: think this means we'll have more skins for existing characters? what would you expect to see?

I honestly think we won't see any downloadable costume packs. Only because while it's possible to add more costumes through the param edits, the UI doesn't exactly act that formal with more than 8 costumes. The stock icon selection still only shows 8 when you have more than 8 enabled. You can only access the extra ones by pressing the shoulder buttons.

So considering this UI oversight exists, I don't think they intended on more than 8 from the beginning. Although, of course, they could always fix it. So we'll definitely have to wait and see.

"EVERYONE IS HERE!"

How many seasons is that? Dividing 20.145 by 5... 4.029. Boy, this DLC is gonna be crazy. Smash has officially surpassed Tobal 2 and reached MUGEN levels. /s

Jokes aside, does this mean we might have costume mods in the next few months? I imagine the people who made them in 4 must have been itching for that.

Also, while adding costume slots is possible, there's compression limits in the game. So while you can add costume slots, you can't add the folders to fully use them. So mods for them will probably take a long time to happen.

 

[Lamperouge]

We finally have a legit leak and nobody cared enough to share it here? For shame, Smashboards...

Spoiler

Make sure to mark your calendars for this one!

 

[Icedragonadam]

We finally have a legit leak and nobody cared enough to share it here? For shame, Smashboards...

Spoiler

Make sure to mark your calendars for this one!

Lies, absolute lies!

Spoiler

Sakurai clearly stated he was going to release on February 31st.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Lies, absolute lies!

Spoiler

Sakurai clearly stated he was going to release on February 31st.

Excuse u

Spoiler

he's clearly meant to come out on January 0

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

Here's a little game: if every company currently in Ultimate had 5 unique reps from different franchises, what characters would you give them?

Konami: Snake, Simon, Bill Rizer, Frogger, Shiori Fujisaki
Sega: Sonic, Bayonetta, Joker, Kiryu, Axel Stone
Capcom: Mega Man, Ryu, Leon S. Kennedy, Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright
Bandai-Namco: Pac-Man, Heihaichi, Lloyd Irving, Sophitia, KOS-MOS
Square-Enix: Cloud, Hero, Geno, Sora, Lara Croft
Microsoft: Banjo, Steve, Master Chief, Rash, Joanna Dark
SNK: Terry (as a Fatal Fury rep), Kyo Kusanagi (as a KoF rep), Nakoruru, Marco Rossi, Jeanne D'Arc

Konami:Snake,Simon,Frogger,Bill Rizer and Lance Bean(Contra),Pyramid Head.
Sega:Sonic,Bayonetta,Joker,Arle Nadja,Beat(Jet Set Radio).
Capcom:Mega Man,Ryu,Dante,Jill Valentine,Amaterasu.
Bandai-Namco-Pac-man,Lloyd Irving,Klonoa,Agumon,Nightmare.
Square-Enix:Cloud,Hero,Sora,2B,Lara Croft,
Microsoft:Banjo-Kazooie,Conker,Joanna Dark,Master Chief,Steve.
SNK:Terry,Kyo Kusanagi,Haohmaru,Nakoruru,Marco Rossi.

 

[Deleted member]

All I know is if people keep bringing up the wait til TGA, it's going to seem even longer.

And then we wont even get FP 5 revealed there.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I've been working on something.
I don't know why I spent so much time on this I barely played Wario Land

 

[Deleted member]

And then we wont even get FP 5 revealed there.

It's best to set expectations low anyway. I've been taking that advice from my parents lately.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's a little game: if every company currently in Ultimate had 5 unique reps from different franchises, what characters would you give them?

Konami: Snake, Simon, Bill Rizer, Frogger, Shiori Fujisaki
Sega: Sonic, Bayonetta, Joker, Kiryu, Axel Stone
Capcom: Mega Man, Ryu, Leon S. Kennedy, Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright
Bandai-Namco: Pac-Man, Heihaichi, Lloyd Irving, Sophitia, KOS-MOS
Square-Enix: Cloud, Hero, Geno, Sora, Lara Croft
Microsoft: Banjo, Steve, Master Chief, Rash, Joanna Dark
SNK: Terry (as a Fatal Fury rep), Kyo Kusanagi (as a KoF rep), Nakoruru, Marco Rossi, Jeanne D'Arc

Konami: Bomberman
Sega: Bomberman
Capcom: Bomberman
Bandai-Namco: Bomberman
Square-Enix: Geno Bomberman
Microsoft: Bomberman & Kazooie
SNK: Bomberman

 

[Lamperouge]

And then we wont even get FP 5 revealed there.

They played us like a damn fiddle.

 

[perfectchaos83]

That's why I'm not betting 100 % on VGA. For all we know, a Nintendo Direct could be where they announce it. Or even that wildcard I've been thinking (a bit too much) about. The Chinese presentation (if Ultimate gets approved in time for it that is).

I only foresee a Smash reveal at the china presentation if there's a world wide presentation at the same time. If the China release is as soon as it seems to be, I find that to be well within the realm of possibility.

 

[TindalosKeeper]

Gonna answer them together because it's basically the same thing:

1 - I don't think anyone can debunk that for sure, but... oh well. Vergeben has only been wrong twice so far out of like 10+ info batches for Ultimate (Minecraft content and "Erdrick" being the first DLC) and Sabi has leaked a lot of stuff in the past, including entire E3 presentations. Could they be wrong in this? Sure. But to call them "lucky guesses" is just trying to deny reality at this point. You can say you don't like an insider all you want, but... it doesn't really mean anything for their credibility.

For 2 and 3 - Of course that's not a hard fact, that's pretty much why I marked most of the post as my thoughts. I think it makes sense though, considering how the Pass is mostly advertised as a whole. Nintendo would probably want to have some variety in there to reach the largest audience possible. Could it be another JRPG character? Yes. I just think it's unlikely, though not impossible.

4 - I never said Joker was expected. But just look at the reaction videos from the people who were at the presentation and you'll see that it was definitely a character that resonated well with them. That's the point.

5 - Again, I didn't say the last character would be "the best", I said it would be a "safe" pick. Nearly everyone here has speculated on more Capcom characters and Resident Evil always appears as a frontrunner in these conversations. It's not a crazy curveball most people don't take seriously like Joker nor a core fan pick like Banjo and Kazooie, but it's still one that people speculate about. Also, I really doubt they'd reveal a character that only appeals to Japan at TGA - it certainly wasn't the case with Joker.

Ugh... Again... Leakers just speculate... Now people thinks certain characters are out because of their words... Good news! They are not! The true reality of the situation is that they don't have insiders at all... Why I know this? Common sense.

Let's suppose these insiders exists... Are you telling me these insiders casually break NDA to give info to these people? Why the need to risk their job for literally nothing at the expense of someone else's fame and reputation?

Wanna know my take in how Sabi's leaked E3? He is a journalist... Probably given the schedule of E3 in advance to make his "article" and drip-feed everything as the event goes on. Nah, Sabi directly leaks the entire schedule. I don't believe for a second this would get unnoticed... Some higher ups must be keeping an eye on Sabi, making sure he doesn't get any more info, or he just simply got blacklisted from being given sensible info by authorized people from events or from other companies.

For the life of me, I swear Sabi is no longer known for being a journalist, but a leaker... In fact, I haven't seen any article so far from him recently...

(I could go on a full tirade with this leaker stuff... It's the part that annoys me the most and gives me enough reason to hunt down these leakers to the ground)

2-3- I was agreeing with your points, though.

4- My point still stands... Sakurai admitted it was his pick, not because of popular demand. If people reacted positively, that's a bonus.

5- That's the thing. No one knows anything, I don't know Sakurai's plans, nor you or anybody else. Except a select few that are not only Sakurai's confidants (or close to business with him)... I'm 100% sure they speak Japanese only and will not just tell an American their secrets, so that American goes to that leaker to be robbed of their fame for absolutely nothing in exchange, lmao.

EDIT: Forgot to mention... I want Doomguy not only because of his historical presence in videogames and for being badass, cool and a breath of fresh air as a fighter, as well as representing an unrepped company that has a rich history as well. I want him in so Doomguy can literally obliterate every single leaker deconfirming him. The damage control required from them would be absolutely glorious.

 

[andree123]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

FP5 is not Arthur.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I only foresee a Smash reveal at the china presentation if there's a world wide presentation at the same time. If the China release is as soon as it seems to be, I find that to be well within the realm of possibility.

Are there any game series or potential characters that are very popular in China? I could see a reveal at that Chinese presentation if it's a character with massive appeal in China, the same way Terry has massive appeal in Latin America.

The closest such character I can think of off the top of my head would be a Starcraft character like Kerrigan, but I don't know if Starcraft is popular in China, or another country instead.

 

[Idon]

Ugh... Again... Leakers just speculate... Now people thinks certain characters are out because of their words... Good news! They are not! The true reality of the situation is that they don't have insiders at all... Why I know this? Common sense.

I believe your common sense is not so common when we have people that have leaked characters and content weeks to months ahead of schedule.
To deny all the instances of a leak being real would be to be willfully ignorant,

Don't let your skepticism get in the way of your logic. Take leaks with a grain of salt, not a block of sodium.

 

[Deleted member]

EDIT: Forgot to mention... I want Doomguy not only because of his historical presence in videogames and for being badass, cool and a breath of fresh air as a fighter, as well as representing an unrepped company that has a rich history as well. I want him in so Doomguy can literally obliterate every single leaker deconfirming him. The damage control required from them would be absolutely glorious

Fresh air you say? Mind you we still haven't had...oh never mind. Just...save your hopes for Season 2.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

FP5 is not Arthur.

Was there a leak that mentioned him getting in?

 

[andree123]

Was there a leak that mentioned him getting in?

It was some inspect element/photoshopped discord screencap.

 

[Deleted member]

It was some inspect element/photoshopped discord screencap.

Oh, I see.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Was there a leak that mentioned him getting in?

There was an image of Sabi on Discord saying that Arthur from Ghosts 'n Goblins was going to be Fighter 5. Turns out it was fake.

 

[Deleted member]

There was an image of Sabi on Discord saying that Arthur from Ghosts 'n Goblins was going to be Fighter 5. Turns out it was fake.

Good to know. At least we're slwoly inching closer and closer.