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Gamma Ray · Nov 21, 2019

JustMyself13 said:
Then again, a lack of a mii costume neither confirms nor denies anything. While it’s possible his mii costume is returning with a different Namco rep, it’s also possible that it was cut because he will be made playable.

I don't think they will follow up Terry with Heihachi regardless. So far characters from fighting games all have come with specific command inputs, and I assume Heihachi would be the same. It's not something all players can be bothered with and especially the more casual ones, and this is the larger chunk of the player base. Which is why I don't think they will want to release 2 fighters like that in a row, whereas with 2 RPG characters in a row you wouldn't have this issue.

If Fighter #5 is not a Bandai Namco character however, I do think his odds of being DLC go up significantly.

Guybrush20X6 · Nov 21, 2019

Lesley Black Velvet said:
This honestly hurts speculation a lot though, since this limits the oppurtunities for other characters to be discussed.

Not necessarily, it's fun to figure out how characters relate to the "missing colors" and how out there they can get. Or if they'll be orange and they'll like it even if it clashes.

Deleted member · Nov 21, 2019

N3ON said:
The thing about colour theory is even if it's true, it won't be proven until it's too late to determine anything, and it never helped narrow things down in the first place.

So what's really the point?

It all boils down to personal opinion if anything.

Guybrush20X6 · Nov 21, 2019

So from what we're feeling and if we take words at face value, it's not Ryu, Crash, Geno or Doomguy for sure, it's most likely not Scorpion and the general feel is it'll be a Namco or Capom character.

GKMLTTSB · Nov 21, 2019

Ace C.R.O.S.S. said:
Call me crazy, but i believe the 5th Character is Reiji Arisu from Namco X Capcom/Project X Zone.

Not my general preference, but esoteric enough to be interesting (and it could help lead to PXZ3), so I'd be down with it.

Other crossover 'Arisu' actually popped into my head first, but I guess that wouldn't work for good boys and girls of varying ages...

More crazy suggestions:
1) Neptune. So I can see people argue about why it should be Blanc instead.
2) Beyond the Grave. Because I just remembered that Gungrave is actually going to be a thing again...

MooMew64 · Nov 21, 2019

Color Theory is bogus because the next color isn't green for Gooigi.

Night Gale · Nov 21, 2019

Ace C.R.O.S.S. said:
Call me crazy, but i believe the 5th Character is Reiji Arisu from Namco X Capcom/Project X Zone.

You're crazy but I would I love that **** tbqh. Can we get Saya too, Namco?

Evil Trapezium · Nov 21, 2019

Not saying I don't want a character from one of these companies but I kind of hope that a Namco or Capcom rep gets deconfirmed so that it gets to the point that no one can have a safe prediction.

MooMew64 · Nov 21, 2019

Guybrush20X6 said:
So from what we're feeling and if we take words at face value, it's not Ryu, Crash, Geno or Doomguy for sure, it's most likely not Scorpion and the general feel is it'll be a Namco or Capom character.

Yuri Lowell would be top tier, just saying.

Lloyd's cool too, though.

N3ON · Nov 21, 2019

MooMew64 said:
Color Theory is bogus because the next color isn't green for Gooigi.

Don't worry if it's green people will start saying PP doesn't count because he's not part of the pass.

Mango The Magician · Nov 21, 2019

Honestly not to insult anyone, but color theory along with any pattern theory are silly. The pattern was already out of order with Hero and there's nothing to say the next background will be orange and even if it were that doesn't narrow anything down at all. They're basically just picking colors already found on the character themselves and using them as a background to keep the color in the back from clashing with the colors on the character...that doesn't narrow down the list to only include characters who are orange or whatever color however as really all they need is to have the color be present ANYWHERE on their body even in the most minuscule amount...and this is all assuming the pattern will even hold true and that they don't just arbitrarily decide to use a random complmentary color.

Likewise that's looking at it from the finish to the back. To imply the characters were chosen or set to release at a certain time to coincide with a completely unimportant pattern of colors is well nonsensical.

Leotsune · Nov 21, 2019

I personally never played Half-Life but I think Morgan Freeman would be a cool character!

Mango The Magician · Nov 21, 2019

Sorry. For the double post.

Michael the Spikester · Nov 21, 2019

Night Gale said:
You're crazy but I would I love that **** tbqh. Can we get Saya too, Namco?

"Smash is for good boys and girls" - Sakurai.

UberPyro64 · Nov 21, 2019

Mango The Magician said:
Sorry. For the double post.

Actually not a double post, since the other guy commented in between them lol.

JustMyself13 · Nov 21, 2019

N3ON said:
The thing about colour theory is even if it's true, it won't be proven until it's too late to determine anything, and it never helped narrow things down in the first place.

So what's really the point?

I agree with this completely, so far we’ve been able to retrofit literally every speculated character into it to the point where there’s no reason to even bring it up.

Ben Holt · Nov 21, 2019

Gamma Ray said:
I don't think they will follow up Terry with Heihachi regardless. So far characters from fighting games all have come with specific command inputs, and I assume Heihachi would be the same. It's not something all players can be bothered with and especially the more casual ones, and this is the larger chunk of the player base. Which is why I don't think they will want to release 2 fighters like that in a row, whereas with 2 RPG characters in a row you wouldn't have this issue.

If Fighter #5 is not a Bandai Namco character however, I do think his odds of being DLC go up significantly.

Not likely. Tekken isn't based on stick inputs. It's based on button sequences.
If you'd like, I could link a video showcasing an ideal Heihachi Smash moveset, but I've posted it 1,000 times.

Night Gale · Nov 21, 2019

Michael the Spikester said:
"Smash is for good boys and girls" - Sakurai.

Its either that or she gets censored heavily. Sorry to kill the fun. ;P

No panties, no problem, bruh. Don't be that person.

AceAttorney9000 · Nov 21, 2019

Gamma Ray said:
I don't think they will follow up Terry with Heihachi regardless. So far characters from fighting games all have come with specific command inputs, and I assume Heihachi would be the same. It's not something all players can be bothered with and especially the more casual ones, and this is the larger chunk of the player base. Which is why I don't think they will want to release 2 fighters like that in a row, whereas with 2 RPG characters in a row you wouldn't have this issue.

If Fighter #5 is not a Bandai Namco character however, I do think his odds of being DLC go up significantly.

Ben Holt said:
Not likely. Tekken isn't based on stick inputs. It's based on button sequences.
If you'd like, I could link a video showcasing an ideal Heihachi Smash moveset, but I've posted it 1,000 times.

At most, other than the same auto-facing mechanic the other fighters have, Heihachi would have "diagonal tilts" (extra normal attacks he can do when tilting the control stick up-right or down-right) and the ability to chain his jab, tilts, and possibly his specials together to "juggle" the opponent like in a Tekken game. He wouldn't have more complicated input commands like Ryu, Ken, and Terry, because he doesn't come from a fighting game that makes heavy use of those kinds of attacks.

MooMew64 · Nov 21, 2019

The funny thing is that Sakurai didn't even say that whole line about "Good boys and girls." He was explaining how CERO wouldn't allow him to add Mai in a family friendly game.

Ben Holt · Nov 21, 2019

Night Gale said:
No panties, no problem, bruh. Don't be that person.

I am a terrible person. :laugh:

My original interpretation of this was, "let's take the panties off," rather than, "let's cover up the panties."

Iko MattOrr · Nov 21, 2019

I don't believe in the color theory.
The DLC characters use colors that not only have different hues, but also different brightness and saturation values; they don't seem to make an harmony if put together (basically, they are random colors).
Also, not only the DLC characters, but all the characters have a different background color (you can see it in the upper banner), and if you want to find the unused colors, you should extract all the colors of all the fighters in the roster and map them in a color wheel, and find the place of the wheel with the biggest "hole". Still very inaccurate and not much useful in finding the next characters.

So far, sticking with DLC colors only, my guess is that the next character is either lime or high saturated purple, but remember that we are going to get other characters after this pass, so there will be more colors, and different shades of already used colors are guaranteed.

Lamperouge · Nov 21, 2019

I hope the next fighter has a rainbow background just to **** all over "Color Theory".

Leotsune said:
I personally never played Half-Life but I think Morgan Freeman would be a cool character!

His voice game is too strong so he might require a few nerfs right out of the gate.

AceAttorney9000 · Nov 21, 2019

- Zero Requiem - said:
I hope the next fighter has a rainbow background just to **** all over "Color Theory".

His voice game is too strong so he might require a few nerfs right out of the gate.

It doesn't matter how much you nerf him. God will always be the most OP character in the game.

GKMLTTSB · Nov 21, 2019

Ben Holt said:
I am a terrible person.
My original interpretation of this was, "let's take the panties off," rather than, "let's cover up the panties."

Works for Aqua, works for me.

Night Gale · Nov 21, 2019

Ben Holt said:
I am a terrible person.
My original interpretation of this was, "let's take the panties off," rather than, "let's cover up the panties."

Uh oh, you're not a good boy of a varying age.

She's wearing shorts so there's nothing they have to cover up; they would have to slightly lengthen them at most.

Lamperouge · Nov 21, 2019

I'd kill for an update that gives us Morgan Freeman narration over our Smash matches, ngl.

Ben Holt · Nov 21, 2019

GKMLTTSB said:
Works for Aqua, works for me.

Ever noticed that only male characters are allowed to be naked?
Sonic is naked. Amy is covered.
Crash is topless. Coco is fully covered.

Night Gale · Nov 21, 2019

Ben Holt said:
Ever noticed that only male characters are allowed to be naked?
Sonic is naked. Amy is covered.
Crash is topless. Coco is fully covered.

Untrue. That black leathery material isn't Bayonetta's clothing. It's hair. All of it.

GKMLTTSB · Nov 21, 2019

Ben Holt said:
Ever noticed that only male characters are allowed to be naked?
Sonic is naked. Amy is covered.
Crash is topless. Coco is fully covered.

Kazooie is naked as a Jay-bird.

Ace C.R.O.S.S. · Nov 21, 2019

Umm, if someone is interested in what Reiji Arisu could bring i made a "Challenger Pack" of him:

Fighter: Reiji Arisu from Namco X Capcom/Project X Zone Series, and Xiaomu appears with him as pairs (Like the Ice Climbers).
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Wait, what is a Project X Zone? Who are them?
Project X Zone, initially known as Namco X Capcom is a crossover tactical role-playing game between Bandai Namco, Capcom, Sega and even Nintendo at some point. Reiji and Xiaomu are operatives for paranormal investigative group Shinra, which face distortions that brings characters from other realities into their own, and they're the protagonists of the series. The 1st game was on the PS2, but it never came outside of Japan, but the Project X Zone 1 and 2 games were released on the 3DS, this time in Occident.

Zinith · Nov 21, 2019

Ben Holt said:
Ever noticed that only male characters are allowed to be naked?
Sonic is naked. Amy is covered.
Crash is topless. Coco is fully covered.

"Allowed" is a pretty loaded word, but regardless...

Diddy and Dixie have the exact amount of clothing (top and cap). My boi wears only shoes and Birdo only wears a bow :yoshi:

Ben Holt · Nov 21, 2019

Night Gale said:
Untrue. That black stuff isn't Bayonetta's clothing. It's hair.

Yea. But that's an M rated game.
I mean "kid friendly" characters.
Hell, look at Shiela from the Reignited Trilogy. In the PS1 Spyro 3, she was a regular naked kangaroo. In the remake, she was covered up.
Cause God forbid a female cartoon animal have a bare chest.

Night Gale · Nov 21, 2019

Exceptions exist.

Speaking of which, how is that game? I wonder if there's a support thread for it. It seems like one of the less ****tier smash clones but I never played it.

PSIGuy · Nov 21, 2019

MooMew64 said:
Color Theory is bogus because the next color isn't green for Gooigi.

Clearly this means Cotton Candy-Flavored Gooigi is making its debut as the final Fighter’s Pass character. Move over Pink Gold Peach, there’s a NEW bottom of the barrel variant in town!

Ivander · Nov 21, 2019

Night Gale said:
You're crazy but I would I love that **** tbqh. Can we get Saya too, Namco?

Michael the Spikester said:
"Smash is for good boys and girls" - Sakurai.

Don't know about the exposed cleavage, but considering Samus, I'm positive shorts are okay.

Wigglerman · Nov 21, 2019

Is this how our speculation has turned out? A new game announced and now it somehow leads to that character entering Smash? A VR Half-Life hardly feels indicative of Smash potential. Barking at shadows. Chasing tails. Quite tiresome.

kirbsmash · Nov 21, 2019

Wigglerman said:
A new game announced and now it somehow leads to that character entering Smash

I just want the mute man in. He looks badass.

Gamma Ray · Nov 21, 2019

Ben Holt said:
Not likely. Tekken isn't based on stick inputs. It's based on button sequences.
If you'd like, I could link a video showcasing an ideal Heihachi Smash moveset, but I've posted it 1,000 times.

AceAttorney9000 said:
At most, other than the same auto-facing mechanic the other fighters have, Heihachi would have "diagonal tilts" (extra normal attacks he can do when tilting the control stick up-right or down-right) and the ability to chain his jab, tilts, and possibly his specials together to "juggle" the opponent like in a Tekken game. He wouldn't have more complicated input commands like Ryu, Ken, and Terry, because he doesn't come from a fighting game that makes heavy use of those kinds of attacks.

I stand corrected then, in that case Heihachi's chances are better than I thought at least. And a different approach like that to a fighting game rep in Smash might be interesting to see as well.

Deleted member · Nov 21, 2019

Wigglerman said:
Is this how our speculation has turned out? A new game announced and now it somehow leads to that character entering Smash? A VR Half-Life hardly feels indicative of Smash potential. Barking at shadows. Chasing tails. Quite tiresome.

Whelp, that's Smash speculation mentality for you.

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