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rPSIvysaur

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So I thought if I'm going to do this at all, I might at as well do it properly. I'll try and do it chronologically as much as I can. Feel free to point out stuff I miss, but at least you can see what rPSI was posting and make up your own mind about him.
Ooh, an intro :bee:
1. Firstly, at the beginning of the game Ryker threw his vote around quite often, yet barely ever gave reasoning, and if he did he basically contradicted himself or didn't really take a stance. Classic case of a scum trying to appear helpful, when they are in fact not doing much except for voting.
lol, RVS. I generally take a lot of the first day to be RVS, since in fact, we may not be voting entirely randomly, we still are voting for very shaky reasons. And that applies to everyone.
The explanation here is stupid. Ryker got us out of RVS with his fluff case on Swiss. Even if it was centralised around 3 players (McFox, Swiss and Ryker) it was better than the continuous "which is better RVS or RQS." I mean, it was fair enough to say that Ryker should stop pursuing Swiss, but saying that he's "monstrous and closed minded" is waaayy out of line imo.
And it was clear that Ryker was going to be the one talking and defending his actions, which he did. But at that point in time, he was just seemingly milking as much fluff out of the case as possible IMO.
SBR was more so expressing his opinion than anything. SBR called rPSI out on this post. It's worth noting that this was the first point that sparked others to suspect rPSI in the first place.
I admit it, this wasn't a strong call on my part, but I still think it's worth noting that Day 1 everyone should be under the microscope, which is why IMO, there needs to be less fluff.
I also don't like the bit "in case Ryker does end up mafia." It seems like he thought ryker was going to get lynched, and that he was covering his own *** since he was first on the Swiss wagon. While this is assuming a hell of a lot, I don't see why it was necessary to discuss Ryker in that particular post. He could of just said "Vote SBR because he is unclear in his decisions, and he hasn't voted yet." Adding the Ryker bit is unnecessary.
No one truly knows what will happen Day 1. I mean, who could have predicted Frohawk would have been lynched before those last 48 hours? It also could be later on in the game. But you also have to keep in mind the original point of this post was to get reactions.
As I explained above, the explanation accompanying the Vote and FOS were shaky enough. Here he probably should of elaborated on why he cast his Vote and FOS, but he didn't.
I felt like my FOS and my vote were quite clear who I thought was suspicious. 'Nuff said.
SBR called him out massively on this post, and it's clear to see why. The whole post is basically what Frohawk did later on, in that he commented on the situation but didn't take a stance at all.
I again stated that it was simply to cause something other than yesterDay's fluff war to happen. I don't see how my position has changed.
rPSI gives an explanation on why he's playing the way he is (lots of votes, little substance). He's trying to generate conversation. It's kind of hard to respond to someone's vote if they don't give reasons for there stance, or pose questions to the player they're voting. Like for example:
Unvote; Vote: Hidajiremi
Scum actions are scummy.
Hida made a fairly legitimate post that was in response to some suspicions I raised about him. I basically say I'm satisfied with his explanation for now, but rPSI puts a vote on him. Again, without asking for any form of explanation or posing any questions.
Not all reactions come in the form of "answering questions" at you put it. I also didn't particularly like the amount he contributed to town and how he defended lurking.
2. Next I'll post some of the arguments and questions I brought up, and how rPSI responded to them. Note that I've cut out some stuff that isn't incredibly relevant, since this post is going to be huge anyway.
The next time rPSI addressed my point, he said this:
That was basically the discussion I had with him.
From that conversation I could only see "yah-huh", "nuh-uh" fluff wars going on, so I dropped it and let you keep your opinion.
Next, to save myself quoting useless junk, look at posts #203-#218 (bunch of really short posts). SBR and Swiss are trying to pressure rPSI to a degree, but he keeps shrugging it off
Again, I only saw fluff generation from those posts.
After this, I also raised a few more points that he responded to.
And then he didn't respond to that last bit.
I bandwaggoned with him, I never actually supported the fluff he made, I just simply helped him get votes to get us out of RVS.
I never dismissed your cases on me because they were fluff, I avoided them because they would generate unnecessary fluff.
So that's pretty much everything. See what you think. I'm tired so I'm going to have a break for a few hours, and I'll be back later.
So that's the end of the defense you've been looking for. I hope I get my point across that I really didn't want fluff to happen.
 

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Ok good. I'll wait to see what others say before responding in depth (if I need to at all). I think we just have a general disagreement on the principle of "fluff." Both in what it actually is, its usefulness, and what exactly can be counted as "fluff." Again I'll elaborate later if necessary.
 

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rPSI says that when I voted for him earlier, all he saw was fluff generation. This is a man who is really pro town, and doesn't want fluff
I hope I get my point across that I really didn't want fluff to happen.
So of course, he's never going to post fluff, right? I mean, he might as well stand up with a foghorn and SCUM written in neon lighting if he posts fluff.


Oh, I'm definitely not lying back. I'm really trying to get everyone to talk so they can be read easier later in the game, which is much more helpful to town, because day 1 will always be basically a random vote.
Good, so he's DEFINITELY going to give us some AMAZING substance, no way could he give us bullsh*t now.

BTW, you guys think I'm not seriously contributing when people are up for there second prods. LOL
*rage* Everytime I tried to post for the last two days, I got 502'd/SWF is down... will do another read through...
Ok, lets have your substance now!

Unvote; Vote: Hidajiremi
Scum actions are scummy.
Oh.


And when he does post non-fluff

However, this could also be classic buddying, but I'm not quite sure if it's truly scummy.
It's often posts like this, which are scummy as ****.



After both Sword dancer and I have posted we're suspicious of the lack of information coming from rPSI (so he's posting fluff) AND I put a vote on him.
I'm also a bit weary of PSI. I don't think he has really contributed, and seems to be "activitly lurking".
All he does is to claim my vote, my reasons and Sword's are all fluff.



1)
Next, to save myself quoting useless junk, look at posts #203-#218 (bunch of really short posts). SBR and Swiss are trying to pressure rPSI to a degree, but he keeps shrugging it off
Again, I only saw fluff generation from those posts.
2) He claims to hate fluff yet is the fluffiest player here. Ryker (I now know) had a reason for using fluff, he was tying to get a read on me and McFox, rPSI hasn't used fluff, he's just sat in it.

I'm not saying all his posts are fluff, there has been some (more recently) that I've liked, but it's not enough to out weigh this contradiction.


Vote: rPSI



Re-reading this, I seem to be saying some of the same things as Vanz.

@ Vanz - I liked the post above but truly hated the one which Ryker picked up on about you saying he's a better player than you and won't slip if he's scum. (It IS what you said)


I'm not liking either of these two as town, but as I said earlier, doubt they both would be scum. Favouring Vanz town, rPSI scum at the moment.

FoS: Vanz
 

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It's deadline week here - I've PM'd xiivi. I'm going to have to play catch up but here were my thoughts on vanz at the time of the vote (and straight from my best bud notepad)

notice Vanz pushes Rpsi for the lynch but is completely comfortable with lynching a lurker - However fastforward to when frohawk is the target, notice how vanz comes into his defence quickly but plays it safe - he says 'we won't have time' and also that he already found suspicion on frohawk first - but if this is true, he should be comfortable lynching frohawk, which didn't seem to be the case.

notice when he says we don't have time, both vitamin and fro had the SAME number of votes - the fact he said to ryker and others to vote rpsi and vitamin, excluding frohawk from this list despite having the same number of votes is a little off to me.

I'll need to reread dancer/rpsi/others as well. No search is a pain in the *** to be perfectly honest.
 

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All he does is to claim my vote, my reasons and Sword's are all fluff.
You didn't read my post at all if that's what you came up with.
2) He claims to hate fluff yet is the fluffiest player here. Ryker (I now know) had a reason for using fluff, he was tying to get a read on me and McFox, rPSI hasn't used fluff, he's just sat in it.
O rly?
I'm not saying all his posts are fluff, there has been some (more recently) that I've liked, but it's not enough to out weigh this contradiction.
 

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Deadline for Day 2 has been set for April 27th, 2010 11:59AM EST.

It's takes
6/11 to lynch!

Day 2 Vote Count 1:


Clownbot: (0)
hidajiremi: (0)
Kataefi: (0)
McFox: (0)
rPSI: vanderzant, Clownbot, Swiss (
)
Ryker: (0)
Swiss: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan Sworddancer.: SwordsRbroken, McFox, rPSI (
)
SwordsRbroken: (0)
The_Guide: (0)
vanderzant: Kataefi, Super Smash Bros. Fan Sworddancer., Ryker (
)
Not Voting: hidajiremi, The_Guide (
)

Super Smash Bros. Fan replaces Sworddancer..

hidajiremi is prodded.

 
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Hello, it's very nice to see you all. I'm a replacement for Sworddancer here and I hope to do well in this game.

Looks like I'm replacing into an relatively tough spot, since Sworddancer is one of the three main lynch candidate. I have read some of the game, but not all. I make a post with more purpose tomorrow once I read the game it's whole.
 

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However fastforward to when frohawk is the target, notice how vanz comes into his defence quickly but plays it safe - he says 'we won't have time' and also that he already found suspicion on frohawk first - but if this is true, he should be comfortable lynching frohawk, which didn't seem to be the case.
Despite that, Frohawk never responded to what I asked in Post 174 (and no one else wanted to pursue it further then...). I just want to make it clear that I'm not mindlessly joining the bandwagon, but rather agreeing that the evidence against Frohawk is compelling.

With that in mind, I'll happily put Frohawk at L-1. His lurking and lack of contribution are equal to that of VC & co.

I just hope this isn't a noobtell rather than a scumtell.
I'll say it again, I was quite comfortable with lynching Frohawk. I just thought that at this stage, rPSI was more likely to be scum (IMO).

notice when he says we don't have time, both vitamin and fro had the SAME number of votes - the fact he said to ryker and others to vote rpsi and vitamin, excluding frohawk from this list despite having the same number of votes is a little off to me.
No. When I said "do we really have enough time?," the vote tally was at 4 Vitamin C, 4 rPSI, 2 Frohawk.
 

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Edit. I mean 4 rPSI and 2 for the others sorry.

But I'm fairly certain (sorry, don't have time to go check atm) that the two votes on frohawk came off of Vitamin C. So it was 4 - 4 - 0. then 4 - 4 - 2. IIRC

Sorry if I'm stuffing these numbers up, I'm on a 15 minute max computer at uni lol...
 

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@ Everyone: Can we agree that Frohawk didn't try to play WIFOM? That for the most part, he simply did the obvious things that newb scum would try to do (ex. ferment suspicion amongst the townies, but neglect to make posts that do so to fellow scum, as a way of throwing off the town)? That he was incredibly obvious in his intentions?

I'd like to hear people's thoughts before I explain where I'm going with this.
 

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@ Everyone: Can we agree that Frohawk didn't try to play WIFOM? That for the most part, he simply did the obvious things that newb scum would try to do (ex. ferment suspicion amongst the townies, but neglect to make posts that do so to fellow scum, as a way of throwing off the town)? That he was incredibly obvious in his intentions?

I'd like to hear people's thoughts before I explain where I'm going with this.
I think you're trying to say that he wasn't trying to mindgame us, right? As in, what he said can be taken almost exactly how he said it (e.g. if he said he didn't want to lynch player x, it means he didn't want to player lynch x).

If that's what you mean, I think I can agree with you. :dizzy:
 

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@ Vanz - I liked the post above but truly hated the one which Ryker picked up on about you saying he's a better player than you and won't slip if he's scum. (It IS what you said)
Yeah, I know it can be interpreted as me trying to play on peoples emotions. I stand by that I was just being honest, even if it shouldn't of/didn't need to be said.

Bottom line: I wasn't trying to make Ryker slip.
 

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Edit. I mean 4 rPSI and 2 for the others sorry.

But I'm fairly certain (sorry, don't have time to go check atm) that the two votes on frohawk came off of Vitamin C. So it was 4 - 4 - 0. then 4 - 4 - 2. IIRC

Sorry if I'm stuffing these numbers up, I'm on a 15 minute max computer at uni lol...
LOL I did stuff the numbers up. Ok, I think I've got it right this time >.<

1. Both VC and rPSI had 4 votes a piece

2. Frohawk posts some scummy stuff and TG and Ryker change vote from VC to Frohawk. So it was 4 rPSI 2 Vitamin C 2 Frohawk.
 

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rPSI or SSBF can go at this point, i don't really care.

Slow game is slow. Where is everyone else @?
 
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@Swiss: He did say he would have either rPSI or me gone by this point, so he does care what we lynch, just that he hasn't decided on who could be scummier.

My big post will be today after school. I will read through the entire thread.
 

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@ The_Guide: You might as well post what's on your mind. I'm not seeing any objections from anyone here.

Additionally, SSBF I know you've just jumped into the game, but I'd like you to give your thoughts on myself as soon as possible.
 

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Guide - please share what you have to say.

Agree with broken on pretty much everything. However, I am willing to give SSBF a little time to play.

Unvote

Vote: rPSI


This is L-2, so watch your votes.

And while I'm thinking about it, I'd just like to publicly say that I have no problem with hida hammering when he did. I was V/LA myself, but he hammered with what, 12 hours left until deadline? If you had anything important you wanted to bring up on D1, you should've done so before then anyway. And the way SWF mafia works, if the lynch would've been left open for those 12 hours, it is highly possible that the lynch could've switched over to someone else in that time.

On SWF, the lynch is always (100% of the time) decided in the last 48 hours. No matter HOW good a lynch before that period was looking, a new one will be chosen in that time frame. Ryker touched on this, and he was right.
 

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Deadline for Day 2 has been set for April 27th, 2010 11:59AM EST.

It's takes
6/11 to lynch!

Day 2 Vote Count 2:


Clownbot: (0)
Gheb_01 hidajiremi: (0)
Kataefi: (0)
McFox: (0)
rPSI: vanderzant, Clownbot, Swiss, McFox (
)
Ryker: (0)
Swiss: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: SwordsRbroken, rPSI (
)
SwordsRbroken: (0)
The_Guide: (0)
vanderzant: Kataefi, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Ryker (
)
Not Voting: Gheb_01 hidajiremi, The_Guide (
)

Gheb_01 replaces hidajiremi.
 

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Sorry guys. Posting to avoid prod. I'm having last minute planning issues with a tournament I'm going to this weekend and will be V/LA till Monday. I'll try and post some in between now and then, but I don't know how much internet access I'll have because the university has locked internet.
 

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Anything, I dunno, legitimate that you have to say about what's transpired so far? Have you read the game up to this point?
 

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I read pretty much everything and I think Kat is scum and should be lynched toDay.

:059:
 

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Frohawk post of the day:

rPSI is getting votes because he seems suspicious. I don't really want to because the average life of PSI on Dgames is less than one day. ( As far as I can see since NM5)

If everyone is getting suspicious of him It could be the way he is playing the game. Like he's trying to help but can't seem to get his ideas expressed right.

But if he is gonna post pillowy fluffy post that just get in the way. It benefits town so they can get to the roots of the problem than dealing with stuff around it.
Here, Fro clearly tries to defend rPsi, at a point in which he was at L-3. Now, if rPsi were town, Frohawk shouldn't have hesitated to put him at L-2. A good majority of the town was suspicious of rPsi at that point, so it wouldn't have been that hard to get him lynched (Iirc, Fro posted this on Saturday, so the impending deadline would've worked in his favor as well).

Plus, his defense is pretty weaksauce. Seriously, he doesn't even say that rPsi hasn't been acting suspicious; he just tries to explain it away, to justify it.

To me, this post looks like a blatant attempt by scum to try to hide one of their own, and I'm going to act on this.

Vote: rPsi

So, yeah. More rPsi votes, plz.
 

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Oh, wow, I thought that my vote would put him at L-2. Sorry about that, I don't want the day to end THAT soon.

Unvote

I still want rPsi lynched today, tho.
 

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@Gheb: Okay...

What do you think of Vand, Dancer, and PSI? Why are none of them more viable lynch candidates than Kat?

I'd understand this sort of thing if it was the start of the game and you were just doing this for pressure and getting us out of RVS but there's real stuff to discuss.
 

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I'm not liking what Ghebb has done. (short, blunt posts and voting with no real reasons)

It's not so much the fact he's playing like this, but the fact that, to me, he's trying to imitate what Ryker did early on. Ryker is one of the more 'town confirmed' players in my books and I assume others, and here we have ghebb trying to do EXACTLY what Ryker did.

Looks like an attempt to be a wolf in sheeps clothing, imitating what you know to be perceived as pro town by the rest of us.
 

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EBWOP: I'm still pretty fudging anti rPSI, especially now that a confirmed scum has tried to protect him. Having said that, we don't want to fall into the trap of OMG A SCUM DEFENDED HIM HE'S SCUM, I mean, scum are HERE to confuse us.
 

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EBWOP: I'm still pretty fudging anti rPSI, especially now that a confirmed scum has tried to protect him. Having said that, we don't want to fall into the trap of OMG A SCUM DEFENDED HIM HE'S SCUM, I mean, scum are HERE to confuse us.
To me, its not so much that he defended him, its that he didn't put him within lynch range when he had the opportunity to.

Also, could we avoid saying who is confirmed town? All it does at this point is give he mafia a hitlist; if you are certain that someone is town, keep it to yourself, unless said person is close to being lynched.
 

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SSBF, do you think Dancer (the dude you replaced) had merit in voting Vander? If not, you should probably unvote, as Dancer's vote on him is still there.
 

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I'd still REALLY like to here from and talk to SSBF before the day is over. I haven't said much about it (I was waiting for Dancer to get back to me, but then he got subbed out), but yeah I'd like to stress again, no quick lynch.

@Gheb: Kat has been coming off a bit scummy to me as well. Just look at that weak sauce case he posted at me.
 

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I'm not so sure about Kat being scum, but I can admit that he's kinda flow under the radar bit. It'll be worth talking about him for a bit.

rPsi is the play today, though. I'm putting him at L-1 at midnight next Sunday.
 

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Frohawk post of the day:



Here, Fro clearly tries to defend rPsi, at a point in which he was at L-3. Now, if rPsi were town, Frohawk shouldn't have hesitated to put him at L-2. A good majority of the town was suspicious of rPsi at that point, so it wouldn't have been that hard to get him lynched (Iirc, Fro posted this on Saturday, so the impending deadline would've worked in his favor as well).

Plus, his defense is pretty weaksauce. Seriously, he doesn't even say that rPsi hasn't been acting suspicious; he just tries to explain it away, to justify it.

To me, this post looks like a blatant attempt by scum to try to hide one of their own, and I'm going to act on this.

Vote: rPsi

So, yeah. More rPsi votes, plz.
He was trying to ATE, it was obvious. Scum also tries to play as town as possible, so saying that he would put me at L-Whatever is pretty bad. If I were scum I wouldn't just "jump on a vote" in fact, I would be more hesitant.

Sorry if my posts may seem incoherent now, but I have a high fever. :urg:
 

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I'm not so sure about Kat being scum, but I can admit that he's kinda flow under the radar bit. It'll be worth talking about him for a bit.

rPsi is the play today, though. I'm putting him at L-1 at midnight next Sunday.
Obvious scum tell is obvious.
 
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