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Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

Blacknight99923

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I think ran is scum because

1. Kuz and soupa were town the best town players in the thread both had a Ran scum read and had reason to support it.

2. He always gave me the scum feel because he never tried to stop the direction anyone took as far as lynching a town, he just let it be.

3. I have a gut feeling lol. I've never trusted ran as much as I did kuz or soupa.
 

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Hey Soren, do my 2756 when you get a chance.
 

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Thank you, Soren. It's good that you have a reason that isn't just riding Kuz's reads.

One scenario is JTB targeting Seikend, Seikend targets suspected scum. If Seikend is at home, Seikend is scum. Fynal also targets Seikend. If there is a no-kill, whoever Seikend targeted is likely scum.

Pros:
  • If Seikend is scum, it will out him.
  • If Seikend is nurse, it will give some more evidence for scum.
  • This strategy maintains the chance to jail the intended killer tonight.

The issues:
  • There is a chance of missing scum completely.
  • Seikend may protect target from a kill rather than stopping them killing, meaning the read is not guaranteed.
  • JTB or Fynal could lie.
  • JTB and Seikend are very vulnerable to NK, Seikend being especially important.
  • Jailing JTB (and to a lesser extent Fynal) is not an option, as it undermines the strategy.
  • Scum may choose not to kill and confuse everybody.

This is the best I've come up with, and even then its cons far outweigh its pros. We cannot determine if Fynal or JTB are scum easily.

Another scenario is each of the PRs targeting different targets. I'll elaborate on that one if need be, but it's very flawed and too open to interpretation to actually be used (though the random nature makes it so there isn't a particularly safe way for scum to act in the night).

Question: If scum sends a kill, does that count as them being 'not home'?
 

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If scum sends a kill, they will not be home.

Basically, whatever we do toNight will definitely have more cons than pros.

I also have other intent in asking people for night action plans, if you hadn't noticed.

Fynal is a confirmed tracker for me. However, I don't know his alignment for certain. Also, thinking back on it, if he was scum with AA, he wouldn't had needed to track AA to know where he went, so he could've easily faked his result.

I know Seikend could easily confirm his role for me toNight by targetting me tonight, but I'm worried that scum will just kill him, so him targetting me is out of the question if we want to prevent the NK.

I'm still working on my plans, I've been jotting down different scenarios, but I need to figure out all the outcomes that each one gives.
 

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Fynal is a confirmed tracker for me. However, I don't know his alignment for certain. Also, thinking back on it, if he was scum with AA, he wouldn't had needed to track AA to know where he went, so he could've easily faked his result.
same stuff applies to you bro, cept instead of "confirmed tracker", "confirmed tracker or reporter".


something from tery would be nice.


still failing to come up with a night action plan that doesn't have gaping holes. We may just want to do vagueish directions, example off the top of my head:

Fynal - track one of siek/tery/TBS
JTB - visit one of siek/aa/soren
siek - Jail aa.

theres a lot of ways something like this can end up with us catching scum, and its general enough that it can't just be picked apart like a fully-directed plan.
 

Fynal

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JTB and siek, i'd like yer thoughts on the kind of night plan i outlined above, and any alternatives if you have them. I'd also like tery to post some content (fat chance -_-).

besides that, i'm not seeing much else to do before we lynch ran, cept maybe have everyone post lists of reads atm or something.
 

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JTB are you sure all those roles are like confirmed town?

I mean like how do you know everyone who claims to have a PR is town? Are those roles never given to mafia?
 

Fynal

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no soren, we arn't, thats whats worrying.

either JTB or me could actually be a mafia tracker, those exist sometimes.

siek could be like a roleblocker or a gravedigger or some weird role, or he could be a mafia goon (no PR) who claimed nurse.


the problem is, its almost impossible for JTB/my town claims to be conclusively proven or disproven, and while we could conclusively test siek's, such a plan would most likely end in siek dieing if he's actually town, which would defeat the purpose.
 

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Here is what I propose.

I don't see the purpose of a tracker and a reporter in the game both as town. So I'm leaning towards Fynal being a mafia tracker and Seikend really being backup.

Seikend, tell if me if you like this. Flip a coin between Fynal and AA toNight. I'm going to do the same. This way, if Fynal and AA are both scum, they have to take a risk on who sends in the NK and we have a chance to block it.
 

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objectively speaking, the above plan makes just as much sense if you replace "Fynal" with "JTB" throughout. Just sayin'


I'm not seeing how any of our alignments can actually be proven with night actions, given the available PRs.... bleh this is annoying
 

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I agree with Fynal. It's odd you both got the same results too.
 

Fynal

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I agree with Fynal. It's odd you both got the same results too.
nope, actually it'd be much weirder if we'd posted different results. There are many, many more possibilities for how we could post the same results than different ones.


@JTB, siek: in your opinions, who are the one or two people alive atm who are least likely to be scum.

don't list yourselves, thats obvious and useless.

mine would be soren, possibly TBS.

I'm tryin to come up with a better night plan, want your opinions on least-scummies.
 

Fynal

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my worry about tery is that it just seems really weird that 3 townies in a row, 2 of them placing in because someone hadn't been posting would all post so little. On the other hand, if ScumGatlin really didn't have time to play, and his scumbuds said "ok, just don't post" and thats what he did, maybe theyre continuing the strategy. I know its all speculation, but...bleh
 

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I agree with Soren and TBS as town, actually.

I agree with you JTB that both a tracker and reporter is bleh. I think the best chance of catching scum though, is to force all 3 of us to investigate a VT, but not one of our choosing.

We seem to be in agreement with TBS as town. That leaves Tery, Soren and AA. I propose that all of us target those 3. However, I choose who Fynal targets, Fynal chooses who JTB targets, and JTB chooses who I target (or vice versa).

This way it's unlikely that if one of us is scum, that we can cover for our scumbuddy.

Thoughts? Who targets who, and what order do we choose in?
 

Fynal

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This way it's unlikely that if one of us is scum, that we can cover for our scumbuddy.
i see what yer getting at... but how do we make sure we actually target who we're assigned?

nvm thats unsolvable.

I sorta like your idea of us assigning eachother who to investigate, but i think we should have either JTB or me or both have a chance of targeting you too.

also, of the 3 of us, i think i'm the most suspicious of siek and JTB is the most suspicious of me, hence

JTB chooses Fynal's target
Fynal chooses siek's target
siek chooses JTB's target
 

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i see what yer getting at... but how do we make sure we actually target who we're assigned?

nvm thats unsolvable.

I sorta like your idea of us assigning eachother who to investigate, but i think we should have either JTB or me or both have a chance of targeting you too.

also, of the 3 of us, i think i'm the most suspicious of siek and JTB is the most suspicious of me, hence

JTB chooses Fynal's target
Fynal chooses siek's target
siek chooses JTB's target
Yeah, we can never be sure they check who they do. At least this way, if an NK goes through and neither of you see it, and TBS is town, we've got ourselves 2 scum in one. Find the fake VT, find out who lied about their result too.

Obviously it'd work best if we could cover all bases but it's the best we can do now.


Alright, if either of you want to target me that's fine. JTB, thoughts on this plan?
 

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@ All -> It would seem there is a pretty unanimous read that I am town, if that is the case I would like to understand each person's reasoning behind that, is it solely based on Kuz's word or is there anything more?
 

Fynal

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you post some, but not a lot, and the posts you do make arn't particularly opportunistic, which seems weird for semi-inactive newbscum. The language you use in yer posts is sorta... how do i put it... unusual and flowery, like you use more words/weirder grammar than you need to. Kuz claims this is how you are irl, and kuz flipped town, so i can't really hold it against you. Hence the "and maybe TBS" for likely-not-scum.

@JTB: thoughts on siek's style of night action plan, and current reason(s) for tery being town (as opposed to null) plox
 

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We can't direct Seikend toNight if we are to block a kill.

2778 is scummy, just saying. There is no reason for someone to ask why they seem town.

Tery was town because of one of his entry posts mentioning gova, someone who had already died. If he was scum, he would've already been aware that Gova was dead.
 

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I still stand by flipping a coin between Fynal and AA.
 

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I'm also fine with ending the Day now. 5 days with nothing from Tery, I don't really want to wait around for him.
 

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@TBS Mostly Kuz. Copying and pasting your role pm didnt hurt either.

Ughh, fine with just flipping a coin then.

Vote: Ranmaru
 

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adumb, declare twilight!

lets get this show on the road
 

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Votecount 2:

Ranmaru [5] - Fynal, Blacknight99923 (Soren), asianaussie, Seikend, JTB,
TheBlueSpot [0] -
Fynal [0] -
Terywj [0] -
Blacknight99923 (Soren) [0] -
JTB [0] - JTB,
Seikend [0] -
asianaussie [0] -

Not Voting: Ranmaru, TheBlueSpot, Terywj,



With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

A lynch has been reached! It is now twilight
 

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"Wait guys, I had some issues with Chidori, but that doesn't mean I'd wanna do this to her and sagara!"

"Nice true Inaba, we know your true colors now!"


"NOOOOO!"



Ranmaru Mizuki Inaba, Town Vanilla has beaten into submission.


Then the town wondered, "wait, why is the flip already here, don't we usually have 24 hours, doesn't that mean the mod has no issue with confirming that twilight roles don't exist, but that could only mean..."


YES! Mwahahahahaha, it means your precious game is over! There are only 7 players, and with no town protective roles left, that means that it's impossible for scum to no kill, which in turn means there will be 6 players left, so no further lynches can occur without the scumteam's consent.


Suddenly police sirens are heard everywhere!


"This is the police, put your hands up, you have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law!"


"But, we didn't do anything."


"Well you are charged with obscruction of justice", Officer Wakana Youko said while pointing at Bonta-kun, and you are all charged with multiple aggrivated assaults and batteries, furthermore you are accomplishes in Sagara's actions by protecting him from the law!"

No!!!!

"Yes!", said Ms. Kagurazaka, "I was happy to assist you in getting these trouble-makers out of my class".

"Pony pony!".

"Well thank you for your help, your assistance will be noted and will help to lighten your sentence", Officer Wakana Youko said to the strange man in the pony mask.


As soon as the other officers were away Officer Youko let out a maniacal squeel of glee, "I finally got you Sagara, and all your accomplishes."




JTB Bonta-kun, Town Reporter has been jailed in endgame.



TerywjAtsunobu Hayashimizu, Town Vanilla has been jailed in endgame.



TheBlueSpotKyouko Tokiwa, Town Vanilla has been jailed in endgame.



Blacknight99923 (Soren) Washio, Town Vanilla has been jailed in endgame.





Fynal, Wakana Youko, Mafia Tracker survives till endgame and wins!





AsianAussie, Eri Kagurazaka, Mafia goon survives till endgame and wins!





Seikend, Pony Man, Mafia goon survives till endgame and wins!



Analysis of play to follow as well as MVP pick.



Also, in jail everyone mysteriously gets ponytails, nobody knows why.
 

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I have got to say this was my favorite newbie game to watch play out. I was glad to be apart of the modding team with Adumb.

Scum outplayed this town so hard. Fynal/Seikend/AA deserve well round of applause for this preformance. ^^
 

Gova

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Not hard to out play an inactive town.

Prods should be announced in thread.
 

#HBC | J

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Haha no, that is totally not the reason they won this game. The planning they did out of the thread as great and the way they played to avoid pressure was cool as well.

Inactive town though? This is at pg 70, 40ppp. o_O
 

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I know, but still. I've been keeping up with this game too. Literally everytime I checked this thread one of the scum team was posting lol.

TBS - MIA
Tery - AP exams or something.
Ran - MIA
JTB - dissappeared for a bit.
Soren - MIA D1
 

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I'm about to spew out johns but before I do I will say I accept that my play was very much sub-par.

1.) Modkill was utter bull****.
2.) Ranmaru
3.) Soren on D1


Well played scum, Especially Fynal. Seik did amazingly too and AA played very well for a first game, that sounds like a pity compliment but seriously if Seik/Fynal weren't playing I'd still compliment AA. GJ all round
 

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Welp. I do feel my scumbuddies did well, but I do agree with Gova. I didn't feel like I was being pressured at early after early-D2. Still super impressed by AA and Fynal, but the scum win was just as much to do with town's poor play than scum's good play. We also got the occasional spell of luck.

I advised AA and Fynal in our QT occasionally, but as this was my first scum game I'm not sure how good my advice was. If anyone reads over it and sees some bad advice that I gave, please point it out. Thanks!


Pooooooony. (Will do proper shoutouts later).
 

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Had the Seikend/AA connection upon death. I jailed Seikend my final Night hoping he'd send in the kill. Still thought Ran was their partner.

Fynal, no lie, you truly outplayed me. I read the thread countless times and always suspected you because you knew too much but you went after your scum-buddies so hard countless times that I just kept disregarding you as boss town. Congratulations, I am pretty much twisting Adumb's arm to give you MVP because you deserve it IMO. The only moment you slipped up was with the last minute wagon switch to X1 during the end of D1 I thought you might be AA's scumbuddy. I ended up discarding it though because of your previous exchanges, which were so freaking good.

Still, great performance by AA and Seikend both and you held it down so well. Best newbie performance I have ever seen on any forum bar none. I rarely slip up when I am so focused on one particular game. I can't stress enough how well you played and you should be really proud of your group performance. Fatal mistake on my part in thinking the nurse role backs up a jailkeeper. I had never actually encountered one in game before, so it caught me off guard and I could see it possibly working. I'll never make that mistake again :bee:

Some pointers for you both.

You both were very very wishy washy with some of your stances which got better as the game progressed. You both responded poorly to pressure, which actually might have saved a bit because I thought you were just frantic town. You were both way too timid in thread. I can't really accuse fynal of any of these things because I feel he repped scum amazingly in thread and I thought he was just a town prodigy who read up on the game and was playing fantastic. Only thing that comes to my mind about Fynal is him putting JTB at L-1 like that on D1 (which I took as a town tell because he did it so nonchalantly (be careful about that in future games, though, as you'll get tons of flack for it)) and his switch to X1 end of D2.

In particular, AA, I remember an instance where you said you wanted to lynch yourself over Ran because you thought he was town. I thought this was a scum slip because you should know you're town but X1 told me it was normal.

Seik, that post where I called you out for and made that huge deal was a legitimately scummy post and I think I explained why in thread already.

If I remember anything else I'll bring it up later but I'll leave on the note that you three played amazingly and from what Adumb has told me had lots of stuff going on in the background (QT) that was exceptional. Now lets see how well you do in your next game :awesome:

Fun Fact: I won my first game ever on here as scum and then got lynched D1 my second game as town. Lets hope that doesn't happen to you :p

As for town...

Cmon Ran. If its MYLO and you're town don't just throw your hands up and say "if you've had enough discussion, you can lynch me" BECAUSE THAT WILL END THE GAME. Even to me who knew your alignment after death, it looked like a scum slip because you didnt care about dying (if you were town you would have damn well cared at that point, scum not so much). I tried to work with your town meta but towards the end I didn't see any other way it could possibly be but you and AA/Seik. Freaking fynal fooled me good.

Here is a line in my notes that I thought I would share with you all.

"JTB and Fynal can't both be town because having two informative roles in this setup in impossible. Reporter seems like a nerfed down enough role but fynal is a confirmed tracker. If I would have to guess I'd say Fynal was a mafia tracker and Seik is lying about his nurse role."

The modkill really screwed up my plans on acting on it though. D3, I was planning on clearing JTB and lynching Ran which would have brought down my pool of 5 to 3 (the whole scum team :/). I would have told me solid reads to Soup that Night and he would have acted upon them upon my death or I would have upon his death. The modkill gave town an extra scummy player to lynch through before getting to the scum team, which was the final one needed to win the game. Adumb, for that I will be ever salty.

Full Town Shoutouts Later :)
 
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