Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[th3kuzinator]

I AM NOT FLIPPING SCUM AND JTB IS JUST PLAIN WRONG. I'll laugh at him for it later but take it as a given that you just mislynched

DONT LYNCH JTB TOMORROW. JUST BECAUSE HE'S WRONG DOES NOT MEAN HE'S SCUM. I wanted to wait and clear him later but I can't now.

THERE IS NO WAY IN HE'LL A 13 MAN GAME HAS 5 TOWN PRS AND MYSELF SOUP AND JTB ARE LEGIT. This means that one of Seikend or Fynal is lying, maybe both. Seikend could just be plain bull****ting while Fynal could be a scum tracker. Mafia would have abnormal PRs because a cop does not exist therefore a godfather does not exist. We also have a roleblocker (jailer) so scum may not have one. This makes Fynal being a scum tracker more likely. I've never seen a nurse on SWF before so I don't know about Seikend.

JTB, report someone from my list of suspicions that claimed a non-visiting role. You won't have a prolen doing what I say after Soup's town flip, yeah?

Fynal. I am directing you and if you track someone else you're scum. I want you to track AA. JTB pick randomly from my scumpicks.

Btw I am the jailer and soup is my regular mason. We gambited the helpless thing so I could protect Soup ToNight from harm. So yeah, I am going to randomly protect one of the PRs and hope I get lucky in my protect.

I'm leaving for prom ought now and I won't be back from parties until early morning. Then it's mothers day so I may my even get to say anything before the end of twilight. Take this post as fact when Soup flips town.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Soup it's okay I'm not mad

Hope town can pull this out without us. Good luck!

 

[adumbrodeus]

Wow. How did you find that out?

I'll post the full convo at the endgame if people want, but basically he told me that he closed the tab, and after I said that wouldn't trigger a livetopic indicator unless he clicked save he said that he meant the edit dialogue (by canceling out) but that he might have accidentally clicked save instead of cancel.

****.

Gotta play all my cards now considering I'm as good as dead.

@Adum: twilight is in full duration, yes?

Of course.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i am i'm getting modkilled over something so ****ing stupid, we had this in the bag man, we played so ****ing good

i can't believe it

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

*sigh*

what done is done.

what has been said has been said.

i give the town all the luck in the world, and i apologize for my offense, even if i consider it wrong.

i apologize to the mod for breaking his rules, and thus breaking his game, i accept my punishment on full terms and even am punishing myself.

i apologize to the players of the game, i have broken the game and i wish you all best of luck, i really hope you can do this without us, and i am impressed with some of you here.

good luck.

 

[JTB]

You didn't have **** in the bag, do you remember what the scum team was?

AA/JTB/Ranmaru

Now Kuz is saying that he wanted to wait until later to clear me? Bull****, sounds like you are trying to recover from your loss.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

we had second thoughts, we were saying that in-thread, but we had different thoughts off-thread.

our real thoughts is that the team (upon a scum flip of ranmaru) is AA/Fynal/Ranmaru.

as evident, i will provide some background to this.

 

[th3kuzinator]

JTB you can stop being an ******* we've already been lynched.

 

[ranmaru]

You are flipping scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

this is a preview of a huge case we were going to make at the start of D3. use it wisely.

Well guys, it’s the start of D3 and I have decided who I will be gunning for this day.

In a turn of events (and probably shock) I have come to believe the scum team is Ranmaru/asianaussie/Fynal.

At first I thought perhaps it was seikend (and I thought very hard about this) but in the end I believe him to be town, and you can keep my word on that.

Allow me to explain why Seikend is town.

[collapse=Town points for seikend]
#232 by seikend is not at all a scum motive post, if you remember back then, people were slighty suspicious of sword (who is an IC) and Seikend is merely pondering if it is possible that he is scum.

#244 by seikend backs that #232 up and is just screaming town.
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now that is out of the way, allow me to start on others.

[collapse=The scum team]
[collapse=asainaussie]

#236 aa disagrees with X1 saying he doesn't think fynal is scum.

i'm sure you're thinking "okay so he thinks fynal is scum, what is wrong with that?"

it's distancing, and it's a very, very, distancing, and also, notice this part of the quote.

[qquote]That said, Fynal or Gatlin are my picks as scum. You've presented a legitimate case for Fynal not being scum, so I'm going to say Gatlin is scum.[/quote]

Notice the huge flaw in this post? he DISAGREED with X1 with fynal not being scum, yet he says 'he has a legitimate case for Fynal not being scum'.
this is a contradiction in the highest of the words, this is not only distancing himself from fynal, but this is a sense of being cautious about his play, and worried X1 (and others) might back-lash on him.

now that X1 is confirmed town, this is a even worse post from aa.

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[collapse=Ramaru]
We all know kuz had a sudden change of heart on ranmaru, but i truly believe that this a slot of scum, and i will make it so.

As far as D1 play goes, i'm sure you all remember the 'advice dogging' Ranmaru relentlessly presented, but there is more to it then just that.

In most of his advice dogging posts, he is going against anything that is presented and or asked by the newbies, or either 100% agreeing with it and simply buddying them.

what Kuz believed to be is that this is more-so ranmaru town, and that seikend was scum for pressuring ranmaru.

as you can see in my above about seikend, the first thing he asks is about the alignment of IC's and SE's and if they are possible scum.

all this is doing is confirming Seikend to be town, and really hurting ranmaru...badly.

what also hurts ranmaru is his sudden change in play D2, he is not at all advice dogging as much, and by the time kuz had a 'change of heart' he completly begins to coast through the day.

this is a scum move, at the best, he tries bringing himself as knowledgeable and helpful at first, but when pressured, backs down and tries to look like an innocent townie.

people notice this (like kuz) and start to think differently about them.

now that the 'town leader' thinks X is town, they do not have to do anything, they can just sit on the fact the town leader thinks he is town, and that is what ranmaru is doing.
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[#HBC | ѕoup]

lol ranmaru we're town, i'm getting modkilled.

 

[Blacknight99923]

If Soupamario is getting modkilled for edditing, ranmaru's bones should already be rotting.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

promise me you guys kill ranmaru and take our words for advice.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Ranmaru if you're town this game I will **** bricks.

Take my town reads as fact upon our flip.

 

[JTB]

Kuz says fyNal is town, soup says he's scum lol

Kuz, you said mod confirmed soup was town, right?

 

[adumbrodeus]

If Soupamario is getting modkilled for edditing, ranmaru's bones should already be rotting.

I am keeping an eye out for it, but I have yet to see a second offense from Ran. If people have evidence of ninja-edits, feel free to forward them to me, but since I only warned Ran, the most he could possibly get without another offense is being hated for a day phase.

 

[Seikend]

Don't get de-motivated Soupbro. There's always the next game.

Kuz if you're still here, what's your reasoning for JTB town?

 

[Blacknight99923]

if kuz is jailor we may still have a chance.

if Soupa flips town we can jail Ran, lynch ran tommorow and not lose more peeps

 

[ranmaru]

Soren I notice you saying I should get modkilled while Kuz has also edited posts.

(We got warnings though)

 

[th3kuzinator]

I can remember over 15 times that Ranmaru quickedited. I didnt want to bring it up because I am not a doiche but if my mason partner is getting modkilled for this offense then I have no problem seeing him go as well.

@JTB: we're not the same person. We sometimes have conflicting reads. We're confirmed town to each ther

@Soren: it's not that simple.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@mod: I actually noted several places where he quick edited. Im on a phone but if someone wants to search my posts they could find them.

 

[ranmaru]

I've seen you quick edit quite a bunch, Kuz.

Anyways, I didn't bring that up to get you mk'd, but I thought it weird Soren was trying to get my modkilled while you have done this offense yourself.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

ITT: everyone gets everybody modkilled.

*sigh*

i'm still so upset man..

 

[JTB]

Kuz, you directed the doc onto yourself....despite being the doc?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

are you slow?

i'm kaname chidori, the VT.

kuz is sousuke sagara, the jailer.

we wifomed so i could survive.

 

[JTB]

Oh you are VT now?

 

[adumbrodeus]

I cannot accept people merely at their words, otherwise accusations of quickedits become abusable, I need to either see it myself or have a screencap (which I will verify to check if it's edited). Town has too much of an incentive to attempt to get potentially unpopular for lynch targets modkilled that they have a strong read on and scum has too much of an incentive to try to get townies killed in general.


Also, no selective enforcement, if you ignore people you think are town editing posts, but submit scum quick-edits or scum ignores it for their scummates but submits town then if I find out, there will be hell to pay.


Finally, I will not modkill somebody for offenses prior to them getting the "hated for one day phase penalty" or an initial warning. Modkilling is an extreme penalty and I will NOT inflict it unless I have been satisfied that the offense is egregious enough to warrant it, or they have been thoroughly warned.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I AM NOT FLIPPING SCUM AND JTB IS JUST PLAIN WRONG. I'll laugh at him for it later but take it as a given that you just mislynched

DONT LYNCH JTB TOMORROW. JUST BECAUSE HE'S WRONG DOES NOT MEAN HE'S SCUM. I wanted to wait and clear him later but I can't now.

THERE IS NO WAY IN HE'LL A 13 MAN GAME HAS 5 TOWN PRS AND MYSELF SOUP AND JTB ARE LEGIT. This means that one of Seikend or Fynal is lying, maybe both. Seikend could just be plain bull****ting while Fynal could be a scum tracker. Mafia would have abnormal PRs because a cop does not exist therefore a godfather does not exist. We also have a roleblocker (jailer) so scum may not have one. This makes Fynal being a scum tracker more likely. I've never seen a nurse on SWF before so I don't know about Seikend.

JTB, report someone from my list of suspicions that claimed a non-visiting role. You won't have a prolen doing what I say after Soup's town flip, yeah?

Fynal. I am directing you and if you track someone else you're scum. I want you to track AA. JTB pick randomly from my scumpicks.

Btw I am the jailer and soup is my regular mason. We gambited the helpless thing so I could protect Soup ToNight from harm. So yeah, I am going to randomly protect one of the PRs and hope I get lucky in my protect.

I'm leaving for prom ought now and I won't be back from parties until early morning. Then it's mothers day so I may my even get to say anything before the end of twilight. Take this post as fact when Soup flips town.

how did you miss this JTB?

 

[JTB]

eh, from my knowledge, its two masons, not a mason and a VT, but wutev

 

[Blacknight99923]

I can remember over 15 times that Ranmaru quickedited. I didnt want to bring it up because I am not a doiche but if my mason partner is getting modkilled for this offense then I have no problem seeing him go as well.

@JTB: we're not the same person. We sometimes have conflicting reads. We're confirmed town to each ther

@Soren: it's not that simple.

this is basically my point.

I don't want to be a sour sport because I understand its more convienent than writing a second post. but if someone is getting lynched for it everyone whos doing it should get lynched.

I haven't actually seen kuz do it. I may have just not been there when it happened however.

 

[#HBC | J]

*strolls on in*

Kay, so I am here to speak on what my decision was as the co-mod of this game and what I have to say about the scenario.

I have fully read the convo in question between Adumb/Soupa and I personally did see the livetopic message pop-up. My opinion on the matter is that I agree with Adumb's decision as the mod of this game and I back it up fully. Personally, I am appalled at it but I will digress at that point. With the evidence I have been shown, a Modkill is the justifiable action and it will be the course of action that is followed through. There had been given AMPLE amounts of warnings and punishments to the offender and then when questioned the conversation was not good at all.

I am also seeing a problem with accusations. If you have a problem then by all means talk to either myself or Adumb over these situations privately and don't try and start things in the thread where we have to step in.

That is why the policy "pics or it didn't happen" is in full swing. It's as simple as that.

Respect our opinion and please continue to enjoy this game to it's fullest potential even with the minor bump.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Bull**** @ minor bump. Having a main scumspect at L-1 just to be saved by a town modkill where scum gets an extra Night all because of quickediting. Ridiculous.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

bump is ****, im not just going to sit there and just apologize when nothing was edited, the message stayed the same, and it was on accident, i did not try to break the game, i wanted to add something and thats all.

furthermore, when requesting to just revert it, i was told he did not see anything edited, and according to the bump, j saw it, but does not have specifics.

my main point is that still, im being modkilled for a misclick, and furthermore, im being modkilled when both mods didnt see an edit, but i set off an indicator.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

whats done is what is done, i hate this choice but i must respect the mod, even on un-equal terms.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I've never seen anyone modkilled for quickediting. The point of the no editing rule is so that someone does not change what they wrote from a previous date. Quickediting is almost always grammar fixes. Prod points or mod votes sure. Modkill is way over the top.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Editing is editing, if you had objections me qualifying quick-editing as editing, you could've brought it up when I cited Ran for it, or when Soup he became hated for the day phase earlier toDay. It's more then enough to move one incrimination piece of evidence, fix a missed restriction, or do any number of other degenerate things.

I'll gladly discuss further specifics of this privately or in the endgame, otherwise this conversation will distract from the game.

 

[th3kuzinator]

It's not worth it. Your mind is already made up. **** happens I suppose.

 

[Blacknight99923]

Soren is sad

that was literally the worst time for town to get modkilled.

I do believe however that we should make the best use of time tat we still have.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Ehh I have nothing more to say, really. I laid out all my thoughts in my 2681. I am going to try and block the NK toNight because scum will just pick me off otherwise when Soup flips mason.

If I block it ill be here toMorrow. If not then just look at my 2681. Pretty sure I am jailing Ranmaru, though, because the mafia may only be able to send in the kill through one person. It worked last Night so im hoping it will toNight.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Suddenly, one of the group is struck by a bolt of lightning, as if by a vengeful god.

Kaname Chidori Town mason has been modkilled.


Night 4 begins, a deadline has been set for May 11th at 04000