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[OmegaXXII]

Lol OMEGA Ridley.

Oh and Space Pirates Raid for the final smash instead.

That's why I like the name so much.

@Oasis: Really, there are other forms as well? I've heard of a Hyper Ridley before, is that one of his forms as well?

Edit: Kuma the wise knows what he's saying and I agree.

 

[Berserker.]

Why is that? Did you like Other M?

Yes.

And I agree with Kuma. Ignore Samus and ignore the story and mind the beautiful gameplay. If you can't tolerate the game then fine.

 

[The Good Doctor]

So ignore the main character and story....
That's a lot to ask.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Okay, so is Other M a decent game?
I'm guessing since it's relevant it will be represented in Smash 4.

 

[Big-Cat]

I'm probably one of the few people that didn't have a problem with Samus. How she was in Other M wasn't too far from my interpretation of Samus. And the whole Ridley scene made a whole lot of sense to me.

 

[Berserker.]

Yeah. It's a lot to ask---

Actually no it isn't. Most of the time, I play the game for the gameplay.

 

[Metal Overlord]

People need to stop hating on this game so much.

It's far from perfect as the story was lacking in good execution in some areas, but the gameplay sets up a nice base for future console Metroid games.

The gameplay didn't really make a good impression on me. I know a lot of people hate it but trust me, I'm no bandwagon jumper. I genuinely do not like that game.

It just didn't feel like a Metroid game, if you ask me. The level designs weren't good, the character designs were off (mostly Samus and Ridley), the level of polish wasn't there, and I won't even go why I hate the story as this is not the place for that. It just felt like something was missing from that game. The gameplay itself isn't bad and has a lot of potential (which is why I don't hate it), but it wasn't executed good, IMO. It just wasn't a risk that paid off this time around.

 

[OmegaXXII]

So, what would you people say was the best Metroid game in the series?

 

[Berserker.]

The gameplay didn't really make a good impression on me. I know a lot of people hate it but trust me, I'm no bandwagon jumper. I genuinely do not like that game.

It just didn't feel like a Metroid game, if you ask me. The level designs weren't good, the character designs were off (mostly Samus and Ridley), the level of polish wasn't there, and I won't even go why I hate the story as this is not the place for that. It just felt like something was missing from that game. The gameplay itself isn't bad and has a lot of potential (which is why I don't hate it), but it wasn't executed good, IMO. It just wasn't a risk that paid off this time around.

So you didn't like the auto aiming? You want hard manual aiming in a 3D environment?

You want it to be another 2D metroid game again (Nothing against that though but PLEASE put it on the DS and 3DS instead)? It didn't feel like a metroid game. That's correct but as a normal game, it's a good game. Just not as strong

 

[Metal Overlord]

So, what would you people say was the best Metroid game in the series?

Most people will tell you Super Metroid, which I agree is a kickass game, but I personally feel Metroid Prime was the best because it got me into the series. Amazing music, atmosphere graphics for it's time, innovative gameplay, large replayability; it was for Metroid what Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time were for Mario and Zelda...

 

[Berserker.]

@Omega: I don't know! Err.... I think I'll lean to Super Metroid

 

[OmegaXXII]

Super Metroid? Looks interesting, though I wouldn't mind the Prime Series since it had a bunch of good review and it has Dark Samus as well.

 

[Big-Cat]

The gameplay didn't really make a good impression on me. I know a lot of people hate it but trust me, I'm no bandwagon jumper. I genuinely do not like that game.

It just didn't feel like a Metroid game, if you ask me. The level designs weren't good, the character designs were off (mostly Samus and Ridley), the level of polish wasn't there, and I won't even go why I hate the story as this is not the place for that. It just felt like something was missing from that game. The gameplay itself isn't bad and has a lot of potential (which is why I don't hate it), but it wasn't executed good, IMO. It just wasn't a risk that paid off this time around.

Mechanics wise, I'll admit that the game was a bit shallow due to the limited control scheme. Sense step was just simply broken as there was no cost to it. Then switching to FPS mode was unintuitive and took too long. Still, it serves as a good base for future games if it's used right.

And how was Samus' design off? I thought it was fine, and there is a thing called design evolution. I can understand the Ridley one as they made him more muscular instead of that skinny look (YMMV).

 

[OmegaXXII]

How does her design look like anyway? I'm guessing it's not as good as Prime's?

 

[Metal Overlord]

And how was Samus' design off? I thought it was fine, and there is a thing called design evolution.

Her suit just looked too bright, IMO. I know that might sound trivial, but it's kind of distracting for me in the third-person gameplay...

The Arm Cannon looked bulky, too.

 

[Oasis_S]

Why does this image have to be so large.

I'm probably just being extremely nitpicky, but it's like they over-simplified it. Everything just looks really... flat. And boring. Really don't want to see it in Sm4sh.

Bring back the Zero Mission look since I'm so afraid of change, Sakurai. >:I

 

[OmegaXXII]

Change is good though, you need to get over it, it's just appearance anyway, it's not like it's look is even going to change her on the tier list or the way she plays, why such a big deal, it's all cosmetic anyway lol..

 

[Big-Cat]

Really, I liked the Other M look. She doesn't have that bizarre bulge like she does in Smash, and I think the arm cannon looks streamlined. In terms of bulkiness, Smash > Prime > Other M

 

[OmegaXXII]

If anything can be said about it is that she looks slimmer and sleeker, maybe making her faster?

 

[Metal Overlord]

Yes.

And I agree with Kuma. Ignore Samus and ignore the story and mind the beautiful gameplay. If you can't tolerate the game then fine.

A somewhat late response, but I don't hate the game like most people do, I just wasn't pleased with it. There are very few games that I can't tolerate, in fact.









Maybe I'll get used to it after a while. It just looks a little off to me, is all.

We probably need to change the subject, though, the mods could consider us off-topic...

 

[OmegaXXII]

Well, true, so let's talk about a stage then, Norfair anyone? Brinstar Depths?

Me? I would like Brinstar or Sector Z on last time.

 

[Big-Cat]

Ok then. Since Samus is much more faster and acrobatic in Other M, could we see changes for her and her Zero Suit form? If so, how would the two be distinguished?

 

[Oasis_S]

Change is good though, you need to get over it, it's just appearance anyway, it's not like it's look is even going to change her on the tier list or the way she plays, why such a big deal, it's all cosmetic anyway lol..

Why make Sm4sh in HD graphics, it costs time and money and after all - it's all cosmetic anyway.

I know my complaints are trivial ones, silly. :V

 

[MechaWave]

I think taking on the Other M look makes her playstyle make more sense. She's heavy but floaty, which her bulky suit makes it look like she's another Dedede (to the people who have never played as her.) Like me when I played Melee in 2002.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Ok then. Since Samus is much more faster and acrobatic in Other M, could we see changes for her and her Zero Suit form? If so, how would the two be distinguished?

I would say so at least for Regular Samus. Hmmm, good question; I dunno, doesn't Samus have worse recovery in Brawl than ZSS and her Melee self?

BTW, I don't get why she got nerfed in Brawl. She was fine the way she was, it's not like she was broken...

 

[Berserker.]

My change list for Samus:
-Faster charge shot
-Charge shot is now rapid fire and it acts like how it acts in Metroid prime
-Chargeable. It damages from 4 - 14%
-Homing missiles travel extremely fast. Super missiles travel slowly though
-Homing missiles have poor tracking
-Morph ball bomb is chargeable (6-25%)
-Sense move as the new dodge animation

I have no change list for Zero suit Samus

Oh and I'm done with all my movesets. Ryu (Street Fighter), Waddle Dee and Yarn Kirby. You might find some amount of laziness. Except for the Ryu moveset. That was just plain lazy

 

[Big-Cat]

Here are some ideas for Samus changes:
B: Works like the Metroid games now and the charge blast does less damage, but is easier to zone with.
Side B: Regular Missile is made stronger by having a fast homing speed. Holding a charge and then holding side and then releasing B gives you a Super Missile
Down B: Switches to morphball mode and has new moves in this mode.

• B: Morph Ball Bomb - Can leave a single bomb on the ground or even in the air. You can only have up to three out at a time (like in the Prime games). This move in general works like in the Prime games.
• Side B: Boost Ball - Rush in with this move. Goes under most projectiles. Can be used in the air as a DI read followup. Can only be used once in the air unless it connects.
• Up B: Jump - Just a simple jump.
• Down B: Morph out of the mode. Can be canceled into.

There are no A moves in this mode and you can only jump with Up B.

Up B: Screw Attack with no changes.

Additional Change: High Jump - Using her Space Jump, Samus' initial jump can usea high jump instead of a regular one. Like in other fighting games, she can cancel into this for nasty followups.

Overall, Samus's Power Suit Mode would be a toolbox character with good mobility so think of Ibuki or Akuma.

I'll be back with Zamus' ideas later.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I would say so at least for Regular Samus. Hmmm, good question; I dunno, doesn't Samus have worse recovery in Brawl than ZSS and her Melee self?

BTW, I don't get why she got nerfed in Brawl. She was fine the way she was, it's not like she was broken...

Samus was much better in Melee, since her n-air and Charge Shot could actually make effective KOs.

 

[OmegaXXII]

That Boost Ball from Kuma sounds exciting, that Morth Ball sounds really cool.

 

[Opelucid]

Imagine instead of Toon Link or Young Link we got pixel link! Like the link from the older games!

I'm kidding just in case anyone thought I was serious.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Why make Sm4sh in HD graphics, it costs time and money and after all - it's all cosmetic anyway.

I know my complaints are trivial ones, silly. :V

No! It's not the same because the game is meant to be upgraded in style since it's taking advantage of it's current console, it's necessary if they want people to like it and have more sales.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Smash will have to be in HD

It's one of their top selling games.

One of the big problems critics and core gamers have will the wii is the lack of HD. It's what prevented many 3rd parties from releasing games on it (As well as the motion gimmick)

Nintendo are not going to release their flagship title in anything less than HD

 

[Steam]

a super jump wouldn't work in smash as anything other than an upB... otherwise you just made that character horrible by making their shorthop so high (to keep things proportional) or put a big hole in their aerial zoning game... for example ZSS's short hop height is her biggest weakness... if she didn't jump so high... she could actually use her really good aerials out of SH

 

[Sonic Poke]

Hey Guys, What's Up?

 

[Big-Cat]

a super jump wouldn't work in smash as anything other than an upB... otherwise you just made that character horrible by making their shorthop so high (to keep things proportional) or put a big hole in their aerial zoning game... for example ZSS's short hop height is her biggest weakness... if she didn't jump so high... she could actually use her really good aerials out of SH

Run by that me again?

A high jump is a separate jump. Even in King of Fighters, you have, short, normal, and high jumps. I think Smash can manage with that kind of thing on at least some of its characters.

 

[Steam]

this is smash though. not KoF. or MvC. or SF. or GG. or BB. :/

 

[Sonic Poke]

this is smash though. not KoF. or MvC. or SF. or GG. or BB. :/

It's True!

 

[Sonic Poke]

Mr. L? I don't know about him. Maybe as a Luigi recolor, but not much else.

So it would be better

 

[Big-Cat]

this is smash though. not KoF. or MvC. or SF. or GG. or BB. :/

And your point? I understand that a mechanic from one game isn't exactly easily transferable, but that doesn't mean you should just shoot it down without trying it out in the game.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Why do people want to convert Smash style so MUCH into fighting games? Is it really that bad?