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The thing to remember about Sonic is that we was demanding before they added Snake and allowed third parties. The problem, with Megaman was that he was always a fall back guy. People were also expecting more third party characters whicch didn't happen. Megaman is popular, but Sonic was far and away a bigger character.
Well, fans can be upset all they want. Mewtwo got cut, and so did Roy. Even on a small scale, nothing really happened. The same would happen if Sonic got cut. True SSB players, casual and Hardcore alike, are going to stick with the series and buy the games, depsite the lack of Sonic. Which is why I don't see him leaving being all that big of a deal.
Well none of the cutting will be just to cut. If a character leaves, it's to make room for a new one. Probably one that the fans this time around are asking for. Case in point Lucario. He could be cut for Victini, or Mewtwo, or someone else. I see characters getting cut so they can be "replaced". But I don't see people just snipping Lucas off, and leaving Ness all alone. You know what I mean?
Probably, yes.
Mewtwo and Roy weren't included for the sole purpose of pleasing fans and satisfying the hype of the popular gaming industry and worldwide fanbase. Sonic was. That's why I find it a big deal to cut Sonic. Because the circumstances surrounding his inclusion make cutting him completely counterintuitive.
Precisely. A cut is only good if it makes way for characters that are more relevant, and if there's absolutely no way to keep them and still include those more relevant characters. But that doesn't make the cutting any less painful for the developer to make.
I don't think many people want Lucario gone and even if they do; it's usually for Mewtwo, not a 5th gen Pokemon. Personally, if all they did was swap out Lucario for Zoroark for the Pokemon section, well, you know what I would do.Shortiecanbrawl said:
I think you're putting to Blue Hedgehog a pedestal and acting as if he has graced Smash with his presence only after being begged to be added by the entire world, when really, he should be treated just like every other character.
Which it is.
He may have not graced smash (In your point of view) but his inclusion still satisfied his fans just like the other characters. Except, he had a HUGE fanbase huger than any character (In terms of inclusion in smash).
And I think you're trivializing his presence. They dedicated an entire trailer to his inclusion. It was a big deal. I think that's plain to see.
No. His inclusion was different. Not more significant. Different. Now you're just treivializing every other character to every be included.
Meh. I can take that title. Although I'm not sure what that truely means. He's a smart poster, so . . . I hope that's a good thing.
Snake didn't get his very own trailer. He simply closed the reveal trailer..... he was among ZSS, Pit, Wario and Metaknight.
Meh. Semantics. The point is, his inclusion revolves around fan demand, unlike other characters, whose inclusion revolves around relevance to Nintendo and its respective franchises. Therefore, cutting him is a bigger deal to fans than cutting other characters. Simply by the nature of his inclusion.
Lol. He had a better privilege. A trailer revolving around him and only him. =P
This 100%.
Exactly. "Lucario not in Smash Bros 4" wouldn't get headlines on all of the popular gaming media sites. That's my point entirely. It's a bigger deal to the gaming community if Sonic gets cut than it was that Mewtwo or Roy got cut.
And again. What will the fans do. . . .? Be mad/sad? Oh darn! I was mad/sad too when I found out their wasn't a fourth third party. (I was hoping it was Bomberman) I do not see major repercussions for the lack of his inclusion.
Ummm, Bowser Jr. Toon Link, Ridley, and Geno all got headlines as well. Don't forget them. They had a lot of rumors spreading around the net with a ton of articles about them. Headlines are headlines. A lot of stupid **** make the headlines.
They'll rage over the internet and swear that they'll have nothing to do with Smash...only to play it eventually.
You do realize mass or even semi-mass disappointment is a repercussion right?
Nope. I don't see how that will effect sales of the game. Besides, what happens when everyone is disappointed? That doesn't spell out anything for me. MvC3 has been disappointing fans since the dawn of time, and they still have a massive fanbase.
That's what I thought.
That isn't reason enough for someone not to be cut. I don't see it. Besides, cuts are only bad if you view them that way. Without some cuts, we won't get some characters. No one ever looks at it like that. Sonic isn't going anywhere. Brawl discs won't vaporize.
I never saw headlines regarding those characters... >_> I'm not just talking about one or two outlets. I'm talking about news that would be pasted on every single gaming media site known to mankind.
Pichu, Roy, Mewtwo and the other characters who got cut in melee were clones. Maybe the fanbase didn't care because they were mere clones or they were disappointed. Doesn't matter. It had a negative effect to the fanbase which is a bad thing. They could have gave them a cool new moveset but there were some random factors that lead to their removal.
Then you missed a lot. Seriously.
That isn't reason enough for someone not to be cut. I don't see it. Besides, cuts are only bad if you view them that way. Without some cuts, we won't get some characters. No one ever looks at it like that. Sonic isn't going anywhere. Brawl discs won't vaporize.
For one, that's a different situation. It's like not adding Mario to SSB.
This isn't the same. This is ultimately about NINTENDO'S ALL-STARS. Which Sonic is not. If they made a game encompassing popular characters on Nintendo systems, then you would be right. But that's not how it is.
Yeah. I feel that in some cases the fans overreact. There's plenty of examples where its justified without much doubt, but not all of the changes are as bad as one sees it.
